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[Pumbas Nakasak]

I preffer egg :shrug:

 

[GothMickey]

I volunteer :wave:

Your eternal optimism would kill someone. Dis wants to be a gloomer. You are too far from being a gloomer.

 

[wannab@dis]

Maybe you can switch with Conumdrum. He needs a new, positive attitude and outlook.

Now, that's going a little too far. I don't even think I could handle being that bitter for more than a couple of minutes. Plus, I couldn't be a groupie for '74 and follow him around to all the different sites. :lookaroun

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Or, maybe they are just waiting to be sure of the crowd levels and their plans are based on a threshhold guest count. Once they were sure they had met the guest count, they released the updated schedule.

Heaven forbid they actually released it earlier and then decided to reduce entertainment 2 weeks prior. They would have been trashed. But, hey, they get that by several around here no matter what they do.

Why do some of you think everything must have some nefarious reasoning. Sometimes, the obvious reason is the simplest and true.

Maybe. But that still doesn't tell me why Steve knew weeks ago that the hours and shows would be normal, yet it wasn't released to the public. It wasn't in the cast portal either... So castmembers hadn't planned for those hours either, which is a point I don't think has really been brought up in the thread. I haven't really gotten involved with this thread much, because I don't really care.

I just know 2 things:

1. If they knew about these hours weeks ago (as Steve reported), there is no excuse that they not make them public, both for guest and castmember planning.

2. I don't believe TDO should be praised for cutting offerings way back, and then returning them to normal, giving the impression they've given back to the guests out of the kindness of their hearts.

I really don't think it's a stretch to think that those in charge at TDO and TWDC make decisions like this based on PR and what's in the best interest of their shareholders. There are people that are paid millions of dollars a year that work for TWDC whose job it is to spin wonderful stories, sometimes out of thin air, to position themselves better with the general public and Wall Street. These people exist. They're not imaginary. That's their job. That's what they do. Maybe they had a part in the whole thing. Maybe they didn't. I don't know. But I certainly know the possibility is there.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

:lol:

I'm tired of being the apologist though, it's so much more satisfying to be bitter all the time. Maybe I can switch for a while. Just not sure who would trade out. Seems most enjoy their bitter roles.

Welcome!


You know, you don't have to be bitter...:lol::wave::lookaroun

 

[GothMickey]

Maybe. But that still doesn't tell me why Steve knew weeks ago that the hours and shows would be normal, yet it wasn't released to the public. It wasn't in the cast portal either... So castmembers hadn't planned for those hours either, which is a point I don't think has really been brought up in the thread. I haven't really gotten involved with this thread much, because I don't really care.

I just know 2 things:

1. If they knew about these hours weeks ago (as Steve reported), there is no excuse that they not make them public, both for guest and castmember planning.

2. I don't believe TDO should be praised for cutting offerings way back, and then returning them to normal, giving the impression they've given back to the guests out of the kindness of their hearts.

I really don't think it's a stretch to think that those in charge at TDO and TWDC make decisions like this based on PR and what's in the best interest of their shareholders. There are people that are paid millions of dollars a year that work for TWDC whose job it is to spin wonderful stories, sometimes out of thin air, to position themselves better with the general public and Wall Street. These people exist. They're not imaginary. That's their job. That's what they do. Maybe they had a part in the whole thing. Maybe they didn't. I don't know. But I certainly know the possibility is there.

20K I see your point, and agree with you on it all. My beef was when 74 said there was NO offerings when Steve showed proof there was. But, yes, I'll agree that TDO should have released this weeks ago especially since Steve knew way ahead of time.

I still think it is a good thing though that these shows are being offered. It would have been easier for TDO to cut them completely.

 

[GothMickey]

Now, that's going a little too far. I don't even think I could handle being that bitter for more than a couple of minutes. Plus, I couldn't be a groupie for '74 and follow him around to all the different sites. :lookaroun

Not just 74, but for the bitter man on another website who spews much negativity. Not you 74!!! I do not mean you.

 

[wannab@dis]

I just know 2 things:

1. If they knew about these hours weeks ago (as Steve reported), there is no excuse that they not make them public, both for guest and castmember planning.

2. I don't believe TDO should be praised for cutting offerings way back, and then returning them to normal, giving the impression they've given back to the guests out of the kindness of their hearts.

Again, let's look at this from the simplest point of view.

They hoped for increased business and guest counts. They put together a simple contingency of offering the same entertainment as previous years. Not a lot of work is required to offer the same level. They held off on making it public until they were sure of the guest levels. They released it with a little spin for marketing.

Please, tell us where there is even a slight problem. They could have easily said "forget it, let's save money on the shows this year." Maybe next year they should do just that. They'll get the same reaction from several around here.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

20K I see your point, and agree with you on it all. My beef was when 74 said there was NO offerings when Steve showed proof there was. But, yes, I'll agree that TDO should have released this weeks ago especially since Steve knew way ahead of time.

I still think it is a good thing though that these shows are being offered. It would have been easier for TDO to cut them completely.

And I'll definitely give you that. They could have cut the entertainment back, and then not given it back at all. So at least that didn't happen.

And that to me, would have been a bad sign. Especially if we got reports of insane crowds at WDW next weekend, which we all know is going to be the case.

And really... It's stuff like that that makes me think there's a PR thing behind it.

"Hey, we're going to put these shows back in and extend hours because bookings look solid for the holiday. What else can we do to get a little more mileage out of putting them back in??"

That, to me, doesn't sound off base at all. :shrug:

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Again, let's look at this from the simplest point of view.

They hoped for increased business and guest counts. They put together a simple contingency of offering the same entertainment as previous years. Not a lot of work is required to offer the same level. They held off on making it public until they were sure of the guest levels. They released it with a little spin for marketing.

Please, tell us where there is even a slight problem. They could have easily said "forget it, let's save money on the shows this year." Maybe next year they should do just that. They'll get the same reaction from several around here.

I think we're saying the same thing, to a point. I'm just saying that if they knew that weeks ago, they should have announced it then.

And let's be honest... If the crowds were INSANE at the parks, and the hours were cut and they didn't offer the same July 4th entertainment as last year, there'd have been a line out of GR a mile long. They don't want that problem. That turns into a huge PR black eye... Which I believe is the exact opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.

 

[WDW1974]

Now, that's going a little too far. I don't even think I could handle being that bitter for more than a couple of minutes. Plus, I couldn't be a groupie for '74 and follow him around to all the different sites. :lookaroun

And how would you know anyone 'followed' me anywhere unless that's what you do too?

You want to join my minions of evil?:fork::fork::fork:

 

[WDW1974]

And I'll definitely give you that. They could have cut the entertainment back, and then not given it back at all. So at least that didn't happen.

Well, we don't how much of other things may be cut ... heck, we don't know that they haven't shortened the shows and/or eliminated pyro. There are many things that could be happening to save money and make things less magical behind the scenes (of course you don't tend to see threads on this site when Disney raises food prices or cuts items or forces DVCers to get night sweats because that would be bashing the Mouse -- not enough sarcastic smileys in the world for me here!)

And that to me, would have been a bad sign. Especially if we got reports of insane crowds at WDW next weekend, which we all know is going to be the case.

Yeah. I'm expecting a few breathless phased closing threads ... too bad I'll be out living them.

And really... It's stuff like that that makes me think there's a PR thing behind it.

"Hey, we're going to put these shows back in and extend hours because bookings look solid for the holiday. What else can we do to get a little more mileage out of putting them back in??"

That, to me, doesn't sound off base at all. :shrug:

It isn't. It's very accurate.

Everything with Disney has a PR component. I've never seen a company so concerned with image and choreographing public opinion like Disney.

 

[wannab@dis]

I think we're saying the same thing, to a point. I'm just saying that if they knew that weeks ago, they should have announced it then.

Possibly... but, it's always easier to increase the offerings and hours than to decrease them. If the crowds did not show up, they would have only two really bad choices... leave everything the same and waste a lot of money, or drop things and get upset customers. Seems they made the logistical choice of "wait and see."

And let's be honest... If the crowds were INSANE at the parks, and the hours were cut and they didn't offer the same July 4th entertainment as last year, there'd have been a line out of GR a mile long. They don't want that problem. That turns into a huge PR black eye... Which I believe is the exact opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.

Exactly. and rightly so.

And how would you know anyone 'followed' me anywhere unless that's what you do too?

Sorry, you don't rate anywhere near that high for me. It's not hard to find the posts HERE about what you say on other boards. You mention it and of course, ghostbuster, enigma, whatever nickname he's using now does also.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Yeah. I'm expecting a few breathless phased closing threads ... too bad I'll be out living them.

Yeah, I noticed you said you'd be there for the 4th. What are you thinking?!?!?!? :lol: Insane crowds, sweltering temps... I just don't think I could wrestle with that. I'd wait just a week or two later and at least you're not fighting those crowds!

 

[WDW1974]

Possibly... but, it's always easier to increase the offerings and hours than to decrease them. If the crowds did not show up, they would have only two really bad choices... leave everything the same and waste a lot of money, or drop things and get upset customers. Seems they made the logistical choice of "wait and see."

Yeah. Exactly. Beacause in the 37 year history of WDW, they've had how many July 4th which haven't been packed to the rafters (including oil embargos, recessions, global pandemics, terrorist attack aftermaths etc)?

The correct answer, btw, would be NONE.

Sorry, you don't rate anywhere near that high for me. It's not hard to find the posts HERE about what you say on other boards. You mention it and of course, ghostbuster, enigma, whatever nickname he's using now does also.

If I didn't rate that highly with your or others (even my biggest 'fans') here, my comments wouldn't register and I'd quickly be ignored and forgotten ... and we BOTH know that's not the case at all.

And thanks for the support!:snore::hammer::wave:

 

[WDW1974]

Yeah, I noticed you said you'd be there for the 4th. What are you thinking?!?!?!? :lol: Insane crowds, sweltering temps... I just don't think I could wrestle with that. I'd wait just a week or two later and at least you're not fighting those crowds!

I am stuck in Florida for the Fourth and the beaches get old (especially in the rain!)

More importantly, I have a lot of friends who either live in the area or will be visiting at the same time.

I won't be fighting any crowds either. I will wait to get into the HoP and to get on Manta. Anything else if it's longer than 15-20 minutes I won't be doing.

Most of my days will be spent at the pool or Aquatica and going to do some boating at WDW too!

Thankfully, the saints who run WDW have recently 'added' hours to their operating schedules so I'll be able to enjoy the cooler, less stroller-filled night hours.

Of course I should add they still have 7 p.m. closings at both DAK and Studios for the holiday week too (something that's NEVER happened).

But I'm greatly looking forward to my visit. I'm off this week as well and have been toying with the idea of heading up a day or two earlier, but having some work done at home that likely won't allow that.

 

[CBOMB]

Why is it so hard to understand that the complaint isn't that they added more shows or longer hours than was originally announced (though still only bringing it inline with historical hours/shows), or that they really just at the last minute extended hours and added shows, but that they obviously already knew this ahead of time, considering Steve posted as much a month ago? They'd apparently already made these decisions but it appears that they held up announcing. The question is, why? If they'd just released the hours earlier when they'd already made those apparent decisions then people could have adjusted their schedules (dining and otherwise) appropriately.
Why does anyone bother bringing up any opposing points on this forum when those points are just ignored or twisted around to make them into an apologist or doom and gloomer?

This seems to be a concept to difficult for some here to grasp.

Right! It's great that they added the hours back, but very foolish of them not do do this in the first place. It's the 4th of July for goodness sake. How can they not expect it to be packed? It's kinda not good business sense either, seeing that guests could make more reservations, as Spirit said.:shrug:

Win Win-Lose Loose.:shrug:

Maybe they thought for the first time in history no one was going to show up for a 4th of July celebration at WDW.:shrug: I don't even see how a WDW appologist could buy that one.

But see that's just it ... I am thrilled with the changes. They haven't screwed up my plans at all.

As a matter of fact, a friend wants to do a Fanboi Fourth Special with me (four pyro shows in two nights -- MK and SWO on the 3rd, TPFKaTD-MGMS and EPCOT on the 4th) and I think I'm gonna attempt it.

My plans weren't screwed up at all.

But I actually look at the big picture and think of people other than myself.

You just don't pull this. Very bad show.

I'm confused now. Are you a Doom, and Gloomier or a self absorbed Pixie Dusted snob. All I know is your evil!

*sorry, can't resist*

I feel like a person who is listening to a never ending rant on the telephone and eventually gets tired of being dumped on by a one way "conversation" and find it easier to just set the phone down, go use the restroom, walk to the kitchen and make lunch, take the dog for a walk, move the clothes from the washer to the dryer, change that burnt out light bulb and then finally returning to pick the phone back up only to hear the same rant by the doom and gloomer on the other end who never even realized nobody was listening for the last hour.

If Disney had not "botched" this (please ), WDW74 would be ranting about something else entirely insignificant. It all seems beyond obsessive. Wayyyy beyond.

Oh, and a little advice to all, picking a fight with wannab@dis should be done with extreme caution. You have been warned. :lookaroun

:wave:

I just wouldn't pick the phone back up if I felt that way.

Is wannab@dis a scarey, and mean person? Is his post going to make me cry like '74's post do? I certainly want to avoid a run in with him. I guess I should agree with everything he has said, even when I think everything he has posted in this thread is wrong.
Is it to early for a sup of Glenlivet?

 

[Wilt Dasney]

(of course you don't tend to see threads on this site when Disney raises food prices or cuts items or forces DVCers to get night sweats because that would be bashing the Mouse -- not enough sarcastic smileys in the world for me here!)

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=442017

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=441688

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=434284

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=437731

All active within the last two months...and that's just from one narrowly-tailored search. ("prices" limited to thread title)

I see this assertion in a lot of your posts...that outside of yourself, nobody around here is willing to criticize Disney or point out examples of the consumer being squeezed.

It's just factually incorrect, based on my observation.

 

[One Lil Spark]

well it would explain the stench of ammonia

:lookaroun

 

[SirGoofy]

:lol:

Bravo, ma'am, bravo.