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[wdwfan22]

I am far from a doom and gloomer... I have gone toe to toe with those who i called doom and gloomers... and like I said, I don't agree with 74 much, but, this time, I have to...

To me, forcing guests to book dining 90 days out, then not even giving them a schedule to help book their itinerary is lazy and down right atrocious... TDO is asleep at the wheel more than they are awake...

And this isn't just some Wishes fireworks show.. This is a special 4th OF JULY fireworks show... What if people expected to see a July 4th special show, saw nothing on the schedule, and went ahead and booked dining elsewhere... Now, they are given the schedule 2 weeks prior, dining is already made... Now, their plans are screwed and they are screwed out of the show... But they are just fireworks.. Nothing special about a 4th of July fireworks show..

If they really wanted to see the 4th of July show then they would see it on the 4th :animwink: I'm sorry but nobody was screwed out of any plans.

 

[WDW1974]

If they really wanted to see the 4th of July show then they would see it on the 4th :animwink: I'm sorry but nobody was screwed out of any plans.

I'm glad you speak for everyone. That settles it.

Clearly, we're all mistaken.

Perhaps, we should send TDO a group apology.

 

[Captain Chaos]

And just for the record, I don't consider myself a doom and gloomer at all.

I consider myself a fair, rational realist who views things as they are while bemoaning why they aren't what they could/should be.

But my rep clearly is doom and gloom ... so I guess I should start a thread on how Disney has now removed prime rib from all its restaurants at WDW, not just the buffets (as they spun it before) or how they've had more price increases or how the good news for HKDL may mean even less $$$ for WDW ... but nah ... not now.

And I apologize for ever calling you a doom and gloomer... But, I must admit, I see things more the way you do than I did in the past...

 

[WDW1974]

And I apologize for ever calling you a doom and gloomer... But, I must admit, I see things more the way you do than I did in the past...

No apology is needed. That is my rep here and I can live with it.

But it's dead wrong.

I want nothing better than to gush over WDW (and everything in life for that matter) ... but reality isn't fantasy and WDW, despite marketing magic, exists in the real world.

I just call things as I see them.

I hope I see a lot of good things on my upcoming trip. And if so, you'll read all about it!

 

[Captain Chaos]

No apology is needed. That is my rep here and I can live with it.

But it's dead wrong.

I want nothing better than to gush over WDW (and everything in life for that matter) ... but reality isn't fantasy and WDW, despite marketing magic, exists in the real world.

I just call things as I see them.

I hope I see a lot of good things on my upcoming trip. And if so, you'll read all about it!

Well, your plans for July 4th shouldn't have been tossed into chaos, cause, well, TDO said so...

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Bah...can we just close this thread? People aren't going to agree. You have two extreme positions, and the truth is probably somewhere in between. Yes, there is evidence that the management at WDW is less than stellar. However, the economic downturn has led to a shortening of the lead-time on many of the schedules at the resort, and for legitimate reasons. Yes, it is a bad thing that what is being offered is (apparently) less than what has been in the past. However, adding to what was previously announced is a good thing, and I don't think it is going to have that drastic an effect on people's plans. So...there you go. Can we just all move on now?

Right! It's great that they added the hours back, but very foolish of them not do do this in the first place. It's the 4th of July for goodness sake. How can they not expect it to be packed? It's kinda not good business sense either, seeing that guests could make more reservations, as Spirit said.:shrug:

Win Win-Lose Loose.:shrug:

 

[WDW1974]

Well, your plans for July 4th shouldn't have been tossed into chaos, cause, well, TDO said so...

But see that's just it ... I am thrilled with the changes. They haven't screwed up my plans at all.

As a matter of fact, a friend wants to do a Fanboi Fourth Special with me (four pyro shows in two nights -- MK and SWO on the 3rd, TPFKaTD-MGMS and EPCOT on the 4th) and I think I'm gonna attempt it.

My plans weren't screwed up at all.

But I actually look at the big picture and think of people other than myself.

You just don't pull this. Very bad show.

 

[Captain Chaos]

If they really wanted to see the 4th of July show then they would see it on the 4th :animwink: I'm sorry but nobody was screwed out of any plans.

Fact that it is probably going to be VERY busy and more than likely packed, leaving the park may not be in the best interest of someone.. So, with them HAVING to book 90 days out, and now just fidning out there is a special 4th of July fireworks show, is, well, TERRIBLE!!!!

 

[Captain Chaos]

But see that's just it ... I am thrilled with the changes. They haven't screwed up my plans at all.

As a matter of fact, a friend wants to do a Fanboi Fourth Special with me (four pyro shows in two nights -- MK and SWO on the 3rd, TPFKaTD-MGMS and EPCOT on the 4th) and I think I'm gonna attempt it.

My plans weren't screwed up at all.

But I actually look at the big picture and think of people other than myself.

You just don't pull this. Very bad show.

Agree.. but they don't care about show anymore... Now it is HOW IS THE BOTTOM LINE??

 

[jt04]

Haters and whiners? Another piece of work here ... someone thinks/knows WDW management is doing a ________ poor job of something as simple at scheduling and communicating with the public and that makes them 'haters and whiners' ... God, my trip can't come soon enough so I won't be tempted to read this drivel.

The ACCURATE FACTS are that WDW has never put out July 4th schedules so late ... and so inaccurate (the most recent press release still has MK open from 9-11 on 7/4, not the correct 8-1 and shows Spectro performing once and not twice) ... this is beyond laughable.

Yet, please let's defend da man ... that's become very en vogue in this country since 2001.



No. They didn't. Normal schedules have been coming out as much as six months in advance.

And you're right, the media is hyping recession when the reality is a lot closer to depression in many areas. But let's blame the media, or what's left of it, for everything including WDW's scheduling and guest (lack of) communication.




You know, I don't want to dare call anyone dimwitted ... but I can't get why it is that some folks can't grasp the simplest concepts here. It isn't about getting something added. It's about putting out a phony schedule deliberately. It's allowing guests to make plans, including the all-important (unless you want to drop $50 on burgers that are barely edible at a QS locale) dining reservations based on a schedule that isn't accurate and to knowingly do so. It's about the fact that even when the info finally was released it wasn't even accurate.

On May 25 I printed out a 10-day schedule beginning July 3rd to plan my trip and it's covered in red marks now because so much of it was inaccurate.

That's something that Busch and Uni wouldn't pull. ... Of course they don't have such a fervent group of pixie dusted apologists who will defend anything/everything the Mouse does.

*sorry, can't resist*

I feel like a person who is listening to a never ending rant on the telephone and eventually gets tired of being dumped on by a one way "conversation" and find it easier to just set the phone down, go use the restroom, walk to the kitchen and make lunch, take the dog for a walk, move the clothes from the washer to the dryer, change that burnt out light bulb and then finally returning to pick the phone back up only to hear the same rant by the doom and gloomer on the other end who never even realized nobody was listening for the last hour.

If Disney had not "botched" this (please ), WDW74 would be ranting about something else entirely insignificant. It all seems beyond obsessive. Wayyyy beyond.

Oh, and a little advice to all, picking a fight with wannab@dis should be done with extreme caution. You have been warned. :lookaroun

:wave:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Who thought this "is a giant stride forward?" Why blow things out of proportion to try to denigrate others' viewpoints? It doesn't seem that TDO has habitually announced special events scheduling on short notice. If they have, please enlighten me. In regards to park hours, I don't even think it's out of the ordinary for those to be extended in the same week, or even same day, based on crowd levels. Again, in this case the timing of the announcment will have a neutral to positive affect on guests. If it becomes habit, they're definitely playing with fire.

Whos denigrating others view points, well with the exception of the ubber fans with any who dare to question things and show disloyalty to their one true love.
I’ll keep this simple, my posts on this thread relate to the responses on this thread, I have no way of knowing how any of this impacts on Joe Public, nor do you, however from reading this thread it is possible to get the perception that some people who are keen to extol the positives are over egging this "non story" as proof positive that the mouse is on the ball. Again I’m not saying it is or it isnt I’m just pointing out that it is getting very positive spin from fans for announcing what amounts to fewer cuts rather than a continuance of previous levels of service.
It makes not jot of difference to my trip, but I do have to wonder at the Islamist like reaction to the questioning of the sanctity of the Mouse management decisions.

But its good to see that such non issues and over blown stories result in such a vitriolic defence. Hoorrahh for the loyalists. Boo to those nasty wingers, and death to those who like Universal.

Still when they drop………………………….

 

[MousDad]

Having scaled-back schedules breathlessly expanded at the last minute because of unexpected crowds, all during a major economic crisis, is extremely stockalicious.

I'm just sayin.

 

[wannab@dis]

Awww.... look. I've went and hurt someone's feelings with a realistic viewpoint instead of the vapid whining about a schedule with increased entertainment.

Haters and whiners? Another piece of work here ... someone thinks/knows WDW management is doing a ________ poor job of something as simple at scheduling and communicating with the public and that makes them 'haters and whiners' ... God, my trip can't come soon enough so I won't be tempted to read this drivel.

The ACCURATE FACTS are that WDW has never put out July 4th schedules so late ... and so inaccurate (the most recent press release still has MK open from 9-11 on 7/4, not the correct 8-1 and shows Spectro performing once and not twice) ... this is beyond laughable.

Yet, please let's defend da man ... that's become very en vogue in this country since 2001.

Oh look, more politics from the usual source. But if you don't want to read the "drivel" then by all means, take it somewhere else. Oh, please, take your groupies with you also.

I really don't have the time or inclination to go look, but I believe the July schedule was released about the normal time because I remember the uproar about the reduced hours and ONE fireworks show. Given the simple fact of downturn in business, I would think that's expected.

Here' the main difference. You are LOOKING for a reason to complain. The current schedules are out and has as much or more offered as previous years. Others see this as the company adding back to please the guests. You see it as some conspiracy to make you miss a meal or something. It's honestly laughable, but it also points to your unrequited need of complaining about anything you can hook your fangs.

No. They didn't. Normal schedules have been coming out as much as six months in advance.

And you're right, the media is hyping recession when the reality is a lot closer to depression in many areas. But let's blame the media, or what's left of it, for everything including WDW's scheduling and guest (lack of) communication.

As I said, I wasn't tracking the monthly release of schedules looking for a reason to go into a chicken little episode.

You know, I don't want to dare call anyone dimwitted ...

What's stopping you now? You've done so many times in your short span here.

but I can't get why it is that some folks can't grasp the simplest concepts here. It isn't about getting something added. It's about putting out a phony schedule deliberately.

It's a conspiracy, I tell you! Stop the Presses!

It's allowing guests to make plans, including the all-important (unless you want to drop $50 on burgers that are barely edible at a QS locale) dining reservations based on a schedule that isn't accurate and to knowingly do so. It's about the fact that even when the info finally was released it wasn't even accurate.

It's the "Great 2009 Stopping WDW1974 From Eating" conspiracy. Don't you know they plan fireworks at 6pm during the summer. It's those new fireworks that show up better with sunglasses. :zipit:

On May 25 I printed out a 10-day schedule beginning July 3rd to plan my trip and it's covered in red marks now because so much of it was inaccurate.

That's something that Busch and Uni wouldn't pull. ... Of course they don't have such a fervent group of pixie dusted apologists who will defend anything/everything the Mouse does.

Speaking of drivel... It's the normal way a realist is attacked around here. You either tow the hater line or you're an apologist. Sorry, I don't play your games.

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Why does anyone bother bringing up any opposing points on this forum when those points are just ignored or twisted around to make them into an apologist or doom and gloomer?

That's internet "debating" for you. People seem to think their arguments sound more persuasive if they can come up with cute names for people who disagree.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

That's internet "debating" for you. People seem to think their arguments sound more persuasive if they can come up with cute names for people who disagree.

The thing is, BJ, you have a problem when the other side excepts the name. I'm perfectly fine with being a Fanboy.:lookaroun


*runs from the thread*:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

The thing is, BJ, you have a problem when the other side excepts the name. I'm perfectly fine with being a Fanboy.:lookaroun


*runs from the thread*:lookaroun:lol:

And I make no secret Im a moaning auld git, so cant complain. Its all about standards laddy. But I prefer winner to whiner.

But its good that so many people who dont care contribute so passionately. Cant imagine what it would be like if they actually were that bothered :shrug::goodnevil

 

[Brian Noble]

Having scaled-back schedules breathlessly expanded at the last minute because of unexpected crowds, all during a major economic crisis, is extremely stockalicious.

Perhaps.

The simpler explanation is that what everyone in the company who comments on booking levels keeps repeating is actually true: booking windows have shortened considerably, because in the current climate people are less willing to commit too far in advance to a discretionary, leisure purchase. And, until folks are actually coming, they might not actually come. So, when they do commit to actually coming, hours are expanded accordingly.

This has been happening for pretty much all of 2009. It's nothing new for the 4th.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

And I make no secret Im a moaning auld git, so cant complain. Its all about standards laddy. But I prefer winner to whiner.

But its good that so many people who dont care contribute so passionately. Cant imagine what it would be like if they actually were that bothered :shrug::goodnevil

:lol: Exactly. This is just discussion. Not life or death. I've always wondered what would happen if we were actually discussing something of merit, here.:lookaroun:lol:

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Oh, and a little advice to all, picking a fight with wannab@dis should be done with extreme caution. You have been warned. :lookaroun

:wave:

Best I buy new underware, Im often intimidated by keyboard hardmen. But I think Ill manage to sleep tonight, mainly buy being put to sleep by your posts, but thats another story :drevil:

 

[Wilt Dasney]

But its good that so many people who dont care contribute so passionately. Cant imagine what it would be like if they actually were that bothered :shrug::goodnevil

Hey now, I didn't say I don't care. The food fights around here are definitely entertaining! If everybody politely agreed to disagree and refrained from calling each other names, I'd probably be too bored to tune in. :lol:

(Maybe this is why AM radio does so well.)