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[wannab@dis]

Yeah. Exactly. Beacause in the 37 year history of WDW, they've had how many July 4th which haven't been packed to the rafters (including oil embargos, recessions, global pandemics, terrorist attack aftermaths etc)?

The correct answer, btw, would be NONE.

Your attempts at strawman arguments are laughable. The entertainment changes affected the 3rd, not the 4th. By the way, how many of those 37 years did they have the shows on the 3rd? It's only been in the last few years they did that.

You've made the claim many times the previous decades at WDW were much better. Maybe they should cut the shows for the 3rd so it matches up better with those previous decades.

 

[WDW1974]

This seems to be a concept to difficult for some here to grasp.

Were you speaking of common sense?

I'm confused now. Are you a Doom, and Gloomier or a self absorbed Pixie Dusted snob. All I know is your evil!

I am like Vader, I started as a sweet young Spirit, but wound up on the Dark Side.

Is wannab@dis a scarey, and mean person? Is his post going to make me cry like '74's post do? I certainly want to avoid a run in with him. I guess I should agree with everything he has said, even when I think everything he has posted in this thread is wrong.
Is it to early for a sup of Glenlivet?

He isn't nearly as scary as I am ... I am so ...:fork:

 

[WDW1974]

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=442017

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=441688

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=434284

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=437731

All active within the last two months...and that's just from one narrowly-tailored search. ("prices" limited to thread title)

I see this assertion in a lot of your posts...that outside of yourself, nobody around here is willing to criticize Disney or point out examples of the consumer being squeezed.

It's just factually incorrect, based on my observation.

I didn't say there weren't threads critical of Disney here or individuals.
They just tend to get lost very quickly amidst a sea of pixie dust and getting excited over NORMAL things ... like cleaning, painting, maintaining or the building of timeshares etc ... I expect more from Disney.

 

[WDW1974]

:lookaroun

Oh, is that a pi$$ing smiley?

Way kewl. You must be the most popular kid in school!

 

[SirGoofy]

I didn't say there weren't threads critical of Disney here or individuals.
They just tend to get lost very quickly amidst a sea of pixie dust and getting excited over NORMAL things ... like cleaning, painting, maintaining or the building of timeshares etc ... I expect more from Disney.

Expecting more!? You should be happy that you get anything! Like, who cares if they could have made Space Mountain the true E-ticket it should be? They are cleaning it! Everyone knows that cleaning is better than plussing! And who cares that the next door neighbors are chugging along with groundbreaking rides and technologies? We've got...wait, what do we have again?

 

[One Lil Spark]

Oh, is that a pi$$ing smiley?

Way kewl. You must be the most popular kid in school!

You are not the first to be involved in an online debate going nowhere. Nor shall you be the last.

 

[WDW1974]

Your attempts at strawman arguments are laughable. The entertainment changes affected the 3rd, not the 4th. By the way, how many of those 37 years did they have the shows on the 3rd? It's only been in the last few years they did that.

You've made the claim many times the previous decades at WDW were much better. Maybe they should cut the shows for the 3rd so it matches up better with those previous decades.

Yes. They have only had the show on the 3rd since around 2005. Do you know why? It's because of the CROWDS that they get and the fact that MK OPS can no longer handle them due to reduced capacity in the park due to closing things and not replacing them and not adding a thing since 1992. The show was added to try and spread guests out on the holiday a bit more.

So in essence they caused the problem that necessitated adding a second showing.

And if you're gonna open a can of the past vs. now be prepared for what comes out of it ... because traditionally EPCOT didn't close all summer at 9 p.m. ... and the Studios never had regular 7 p.m. closings in summer either.

You want to compare the past with now? You wanna talk when MK was open nightly until 1 a.m. for all guests ... or when EPCOT and/or Studios were open until 11 or midnight for ALL guests ... or even when DAK was 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. daily for ALL guests?

I'm not gonna wet myself with excitement over one show added in the past five years because TDO's poor management actually made it needed.

 

[fyn]

You are not the first to be involved in an online debate going nowhere. Nor shall you be the last.

"Someone is wrong on the internet!"

- xkcd

 

[WDW1974]

Expecting more!? You should be happy that you get anything! Like, who cares if they could have made Space Mountain the true E-ticket it should be? They are cleaning it! Everyone knows that cleaning is better than plussing! And who cares that the next door neighbors are chugging along with groundbreaking rides and technologies? We've got...wait, what do we have again?

They're painting some facades and repairing wood rot because Legal was concerned ... oh, and I hear they just put some new TP in the men's room at Pecos Bill Cafe!

 

[CBOMB]

20K I see your point, and agree with you on it all. My beef was when 74 said there was NO offerings when Steve showed proof there was. But, yes, I'll agree that TDO should have released this weeks ago especially since Steve knew way ahead of time.

I still think it is a good thing though that these shows are being offered. It would have been easier for TDO to cut them completely.

When did '74 say there were no offerings for the 4th, and what proof did Steve offer that there were going to be more?

As I remember Steve said they were going to have more offerings on the 4th, and ' 74 saying he didn't doubt that at all, only that WDW had made no official announcement yet. That's what this thread is about I think. Why did Steve know about things so long before WDW let the unwashed masses know about it.

 

[WDW1974]

When did '74 say there were no offerings for the 4th, and what proof did Steve offer that there were going to be more?

As I remember Steve said they were going to have more offerings on the 4th, and ' 74 saying he didn't doubt that at all, only that WDW had made no official announcement yet. That's what this thread is about I think. Why did Steve no about things so long before WDW let the unwashed masses no about it.

Thanks. I almost missed that (actually I did) ... I never said there was nothing on the Fourth (I said from the start I never saw them closing MK at 11 on that day) ... and Steve offered no proof beyond his opinion (I am sure someone in OPS told him or he wouldn't have put it here).

But the bottom line is this was all about poor communication with guests and cast. Period.

There's no justification because they knew months ago what they were doing ... they just didn't see fit to let the public know until a few weeks prior.

 

[fyn]

When did '74 say there were no offerings for the 4th, and what proof did Steve offer that there were going to be more?

As I remember Steve said they were going to have more offerings on the 4th, and ' 74 saying he didn't doubt that at all, only that WDW had made no official announcement yet. That's what this thread is about I think. Why did Steve no about things so long before WDW let the unwashed masses no about it.

Look, there are two possibilities here that are far more innocuous than what's been discussed in this thread. Everyone is assuming that because Steve knew about the updated schedule, Disney must have decided on it long ago. He likely knows someone in TDO, and they tipped him off to a schedule change (and, more importantly, a cost increase to Disney) that was making its way up the chain for approval. I expect the decision makers would hold off on the official announcement until they had more confidence in the percentage of cancellations (which are probably at record highs this year also) for that week. Every company needs to control costs right now, so waiting until you know you have the crowd levels to justify the expense makes some amount of sense.

Looking at it the other way, Disney could have announced the new schedule months ago, and then cancelled it if the expected crowds were too low. That's a worse show, IMO.

 

[wannab@dis]

Yes. They have only had the show on the 3rd since around 2005. Do you know why? It's because of the CROWDS that they get and the fact that MK OPS can no longer handle them due to reduced capacity in the park due to closing things and not replacing them and not adding a thing since 1992. The show was added to try and spread guests out on the holiday a bit more.

So in essence they caused the problem that necessitated adding a second showing.

It's very entertaining to see you always attempting to turn a positive into some negative.

And if you're gonna open a can of the past vs. now be prepared for what comes out of it ... because traditionally EPCOT didn't close all summer at 9 p.m. ... and the Studios never had regular 7 p.m. closings in summer either.

You want to compare the past with now? You wanna talk when MK was open nightly until 1 a.m. for all guests ... or when EPCOT and/or Studios were open until 11 or midnight for ALL guests ... or even when DAK was 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. daily for ALL guests?

I'm not gonna wet myself with excitement over one show added in the past five years because TDO's poor management actually made it needed.

Are we down to cherry-picking specific weeks and attempting to make it average now? Since when did DAK ever have an extended operating schedule of 7 to 8? Or any of the other hours you tossed out? I'm sorry, your attempts are failing. WDW has operated on guest level driven hours for at least the past couple of decades or more. When the levels are up, the hours are extended. In fact, they went through a fairly long period of e-ride nights where you had to PURCHASE those lovely nighttime extended hours.

 

[The Conundrum]

Maybe you can switch with Conumdrum. He needs a new, positive attitude and outlook.

No thanks. I have no desire to be brainwashed.

Having been a fan of the Disney parks for over twenty years now I know when Disney is doing a good job and I know when Disney is doing a bad job and am not affraid to call them out on it and boycott the product until they do things correctly.

 

[WDW1974]

It's very entertaining to see you always attempting to turn a positive into some negative.

Oh, you mean trying to set the record straight? Yeah, guilty as charged.

Are we down to cherry-picking specific weeks and attempting to make it average now? Since when did DAK ever have an extended operating schedule of 7 to 8? Or any of the other hours you tossed out? I'm sorry, your attempts are failing. WDW has operated on guest level driven hours for at least the past couple of decades or more. When the levels are up, the hours are extended. In fact, they went through a fairly long period of e-ride nights where you had to PURCHASE those lovely nighttime extended hours.

I'm not cherry-picking.

I'm telling you the factual truth that WDW traditionally (i.e. for decades) had longer operating schedules than they do now for ALL guests (before someone suggests the inane idea EMH somehow makes this OK).

The guests have always been at WDW in summer, although WDW actually skews to an earlier summer that basically starts Memorial Day and usually winds down by August 15th. That's fact. They just get less hours to spend in the parks (even if they are on-site guests).

E-Ride Nights were the ultimate screw job for guests since they usually meant MK hours were shortened for all guests and then on-site guests were allowed the privilege of spending $12 a head to mindlessly ride the same nine attractions for three hours.

Now ... while you try and dispute FACT regarding operating hours, I'm gonna watch and see if Andy Murray can close out his match!

 

[The Conundrum]

Oh, and a little advice to all, picking a fight with wannab@dis should be done with extreme caution. You have been warned. :lookaroun

:wave:

Well I for one am not going to be intimidated by wannab@dis's thuglike behavior.

He is just an argumentative person looking to prove Disney right and looking to prove all those who critisize Disney wrong. Maybe it is because he can't understand (admit to himself?) that WDW has gone to the dogs.

 

[wannab@dis]

Oh, you mean trying to set the record straight? Yeah, guilty as charged.



I'm not cherry-picking.

I'm telling you the factual truth that WDW traditionally (i.e. for decades) had longer operating schedules than they do now for ALL guests (before someone suggests the inane idea EMH somehow makes this OK).

The guests have always been at WDW in summer, although WDW actually skews to an earlier summer that basically starts Memorial Day and usually winds down by August 15th. That's fact. They just get less hours to spend in the parks (even if they are on-site guests).

E-Ride Nights were the ultimate screw job for guests since they usually meant MK hours were shortened for all guests and then on-site guests were allowed the privilege of spending $12 a head to mindlessly ride the same nine attractions for three hours.

Now ... while you try and dispute FACT regarding operating hours, I'm gonna watch and see if Andy Murray can close out his match!

Let's see... earlier you attempted to list specific hours. When you were taken to task, you've now watered it down to the following facts.

1. More guests attend during the summer.
2. They have longer hours during the summer.
3. EMH is bad
4. E-ride nights were bad

Here, I'll add one for you since you forgot. It's hot in the summer in Florida.

 

[wannab@dis]

Well I for one am not going to be intimidated by wannab@dis's thuglike behavior.

He is just an argumentative person looking to prove Disney right and looking to prove all those who critisize Disney wrong. Maybe it is because he can't understand (admit to himself?) that WDW has gone to the dogs.

Here's a revelation for you... once I think WDW has went to the dogs, I won't attend, nor will I go to a fan site. Pretty simple.

 

[maggiegrace1]

You are not the first to be involved in an online debate going nowhere. Nor shall you be the last.

:lol:

Well I for one am not going to be intimidated by wannab@dis's thuglike behavior.

He is just an argumentative person looking to prove Disney right and looking to prove all those who critisize Disney wrong. Maybe it is because he can't understand (admit to himself?) that WDW has gone to the dogs.

:ROFLOL::ROFLOL::ROFLOL:

Oh yeah, be careful I think he has some brass knuckles also..

:lol:

Funniest thing ever!

This thread is hilarious...do you people realize how silly you sound..:hammer:this is an online forum..it is not like you all are talking to each other face to face in a room...do you even know who wannb is?..you act like he is going to come to your house and beat you up..might as well get a restraining order...

 

[Wilt Dasney]

Looking at it the other way, Disney could have announced the new schedule months ago, and then cancelled it if the expected crowds were too low. That's a worse show, IMO.

That's the second time I've seen this point made in this thread, and it seems like a pretty logical, cogent counter-argument. Maybe once we get past all the "hater" vs. "apologist" mud-flinging, somebody could address it?