OFFICIAL: PI As of 1/01/07 will be 21 and over

slappy magoo

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Age limits are funny things, Mr Angry and Mrs Outraged are upset at the propspects of under 21s being exposed to alcohol, Id be interested to hear their standpoint on sending 18- 21 year olds to combat zones? But hey they havent been tempted to the demon drink.

Can't speak for everyone in the Angry/Outraged families, but I think the drinking age should be 18. I think it was raised in the first place because they wanted to curb DUI accidents/fatalities, a high percentage of which involved 18-21 year olds, Our society couldn't figure out a way to better educate people on drinking responsibly, downplay the lure of binge drinking, and make punishment for DUI-ers stricter & without wiggle room. So they bumped it up to 21. It's done some good, but with the help o better drinking awareness that, possibly, would have had the same results without the drinking age being raised. IMHO, if you're old enough to die for your country, you should be allowed to belly up to the bar.
 
How bout just not drinking. The problem this country has is we are WAY to stupid to know when to quit and we take it way too far. I go to college and I hear all these storys every week about "dude I got so bombed and I was like duh and duh and then I drove home and idk how I made it but hey lets do it again this weekend" It makes me sick to even hear it. Our Nation needs to as a whole dry out for a while and stop drinking like crazy mad people and as far as being 18 and going to war well nobody every said war was pretty, war is hell and I wouldnt want a drunk soilder with a semi auto running around the field so I support 21 and older or heck make it 25 and older or how bout nobody drink. Cus you dont have to drink to have a good time.
 

Yanks07

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How bout just not drinking. The problem this country has is we are WAY to stupid to know when to quit and we take it way too far. I go to college and I hear all these storys every week about "dude I got so bombed and I was like duh and duh and then I drove home and idk how I made it but hey lets do it again this weekend" It makes me sick to even hear it. Our Nation needs to as a whole dry out for a while and stop drinking like crazy mad people and as far as being 18 and going to war well nobody every said war was pretty, war is hell and I wouldnt want a drunk soilder with a semi auto running around the field so I support 21 and older or heck make it 25 and older or how bout nobody drink. Cus you dont have to drink to have a good time.
Whoa there coaster, the whole country is not in college, and does not overindulge. Sounds like you have some strong values,which is OK. It was legal when I was 18, and I chose to wait till I was 21. I have a son in college who is 19 and he behaves himself. Lets not generalize the whole nation for the small pct. of college kids who have gone wild. Chances are, if they survive college, they will be fine.

This thread ain't driftin, it's sprintin......
 

Epcot82Guy

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Seriously. They make this decision because the costs of potential liability and administrative costs (bartenders, security, etc.) VASTLY outweigh the amount of money coming in from this crowd. At least with 21+, your administrative costs go down, and a good portion of people buy very expensive (i.e. high profit margin) drinks. It has nothing to do with whether or not 18yos will drink. I went crazy in undergrad at times; still do in law school. But, I know my limits now. So, I guess I am a survival story. You can't change people's minds about all this. You can only show them the facts and hope their experience teach them before they hurt them. Plain and simple.

Yes. It sucks when you aren't 21, but it is a fact of life in our country. There is plenty to do without this, although granted not as much.
 

slappy magoo

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Whoa there coaster, the whole country is not in college, and does not overindulge.


Same sentiment here. People want to get stupid once in a while fine and dandy. I rarely get the urge, it's certainly not a weekly or even a monthly thing, but I'm "smart" about when and where to get stupid, too. But PI was created as a place where people could get stupid if they wanted to do so, and that means that any parent with half a brain in their head should know not to let the little ones tag along. And if the only way YOU can go to PI is to bring their children, then stick to CW and PI, and if you want to go to anywhere else with your kids knowing that some adults might have their inhibitions or lunches loosened, then you are an awful parent, putting your selfish wants over your child's protection. Time and place for everything.

Sure, you could argue that a WDW vacation is never the time or place to get stupid. I would counterargue that that was the reason Pleasure Island was created. Disney saw a chunk of tourists either without children or with sitters going over to Church Street, and created PI as a way to give grownups an opportunity to do grownup things. If you want to refuse adults a palce to do adult things, then as far as I'm concerned, you might as well scrap the golf courses and all the hotel lounges, too. Even Walt, while making DL and designing WDW, recognized the need for there to be places where adults could be adults, just as he recognized the need for there to be places where kids could run around and be nuts, whether it's in the rec areas of the hotels or places like Tom Sawyer Island.

Back on topic, when you allow 18 and up into clubs, sooner or later, you're gonna have underage drinking. Probably sooner. And as an increasingly litigious society, we're placing more and more of an emphasis on the responsibility of the club owners to halt underage drinking. 18 year old with a fake ID? No, it's not the kid's fault for having it, it's the bouncer's fault for accepting it. It's the bartender's fault for not really studying it. So even with the possible political sway WDW has based on what they bring to the local economy, it reaches the point where too many angry mothers and fathers call up with tales of their sons or daughters getting hammered and falling down the steps in PI that WDW has to do SOMETHING to look like they're taking a stand. This is one I agree with.

Personally, if I were under 21 I'd still rather be in the parks (Hell, I'd usually rather be in the parks at 37!) but maybe it would behoove WDW to come up with an entertainment venue strictly for WDW resort guests between the ages of, say, 16 through 20. A non-alcoholic dance club slash arcade, where the majority of security is as sublte and hidden as it is in the parks, so kids don't feel like they're constantly being watched by a big burly security guard, but are quickly escorted out if they're caught doing anything unseemly, whether it's vandalism, coercion, sexual harrassment or attempting to buy or sell drugs. And it could be a place where adults really aren't supposed to be, to cut down on the creepy Chester the Molester factor. At the very least, they could have a few nights a week like that at a place like the Atlantic Dance Club on the Boardwalk, so young adults have a place they could hang out independent of their families if they want (or young adults 18-20 traveling on their own can go). Only trouble is, I'm so out of touch with kids these days, what with their baggie pants and their ipods and their plea bargains, I don't have the slightest idea whether such an establishment has a genuine need at WDW, OR whether it's really economically viable for WDW to provide one.
 

slappy magoo

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first off people choose to fight in the war this day in age. So with your theory should a 16 year old be able to vote since they pay taxes.


a: It's not a theory, it's an opinion
b: One has nothing to do with the other
c: Just because we haven't re-enacted the draft yet doesn't mean we never ever will, in which case I will feel even more strongly about my OPINION regarding the matter.
d: IMHO, anyone working and paying taxes should be allowed to vote. Baby models should be allowed to vote provided they can form their own opinion and can reach the levers. But please see "b" because this is veering the conversation even farther off-topic than it already has, and I'm making a deliberate effort to not veer off an original poster's topic, as it always bothers me when it happens to topics I've started. Not to mention, I know the mods prefer to keep political views out of the forum, and while this is more social than political, it's pretty easy to jump over that line. If you'd like to delve into this conversation further, feel free to send me a PM, I'm not shy...

So, Pleasure Island. 21 and over except for CW and AC. That's the OP's topic. Yay or nay and why?
 

Wilt Dasney

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So, Pleasure Island. 21 and over except for CW and AC. That's the OP's topic. Yay or nay and why?

Yay. Dancing with a bunch of sloshed grownups is not a Constitutional right for 18-year-olds. I found other forms of entertainment at that age. They can too.
 

mdisney

Active Member
I wish the AC and CW would be 18+ some nights since it is weird that little kids are laughing at some of the jokes that they should not get at all.
 

Epcot82Guy

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I say yay. I think the clubs should have a 21+ age (REQUIRED, no kiddies). Then keep CW and AC at 18+, teens w/ an adult, no kids. It would allow the humor/inuendo to step up a notch and really make for some even better shows.

As an appeasement, I do think that Boardwalk should dip to 18+. It makes less sense for it to be 21+ since they need bodies over there. Make AD and Jellyrolls the hangout for 18-20 CMs. They would really liven up the places, and you can have a great time at a duelling piano bar sober. Give free CM admission on Thursdays and Fridays or something. That fills the need for a small group and adds to the atmosphere. I was actually really bummed as a CM that I couldn't go to these places.
 

ears2you

New Member
thats not fair! my sister (21) and i (16) love motions. god i had to use her to get in but now i cant even do that! thats crazy!:fork:
 
sorry gang I got a little carried away earlier today. Its just my moms dad was a drunk and abuseive at times and I saw that as a little kid and it really hits me hard when I see people at school wasting their lives away drinking and then they get straight A's somehow and I struggle to get c's and b's anyways sry about my rant. As for that re-enacting the draft thing earlier I think people are stupid the draft is still there. When I turned 16 I had to signup, i have a number and they will take me. The draft never left they still use it if they need it and the only reason thi s moron in office up in washington wanted to "claim we need to reenact" is is so he can right in a clause that girls have to sign up too just like males and im sure that they will put in a bunch of other BS with that if they try to pass it as a law. Heck use floridians were stupid enough to pass a Bullet train bill and a while bunch of others just because we dont read anything the government puts out we jsut believe their "trustful people" ROFLOL. ok off my soap box again.
 

Pumbas Nakasak

Heading for the great escape.
I love the cultural divide the pond provides. You get outrage at a rather insignificant nipple and ya hoo peed up behaviour, but can see no issue with selling semi automatic weapons in a supermarket or letting any law pass if it is "gods will". So exposing kids to drink / drunks is just another example at how society is wrapping kids in cotton wool and ill preparing them for the big bad world. Who decides what constitutes a kid anyway?

And just incase you have never served its not military people that start wars its the politicians. (or the money men that fund them).

My view on PI is shaped by the fact that Britain has one of the worlds worst drinking cultures, yet is one of the most heavily regulated. People blame drink for yobbish behaviour, its not the drink but a lack of fear for the consequences and a lack of respect for others. Far more to dowith the greed is good culture of Thatcher and Regan than the products of Mr Daniels and my native land.

Just an opinion of course.......
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
I applaud the 21 plus move at the Pleasure Island clubs. No benefit can come to anyone from allowing the younger crowd in. It's a perfect move all the way around. These clubs are not a place for the kiddies. It also makes perfect sense to keep AC and CW all ages...since these are more show based and the majority of the patrons objective is not to get blasted.

On a side note...does anyone remember a former club at PI called The Cage. I seem to recall such a club. I believed it was an Alternative/Modern Rock club which had TV monitors all over. I believe it was the pretty close to the opening of PI. I am trying to recall where it was located...perhaps where the BET stage is now.
 

Buford

New Member
I applaud the 21 plus move at the Pleasure Island clubs. No benefit can come to anyone from allowing the younger crowd in. It's a perfect move all the way around. These clubs are not a place for the kiddies. It also makes perfect sense to keep AC and CW all ages...since these are more show based and the majority of the patrons objective is not to get blasted.

On a side note...does anyone remember a former club at PI called The Cage. I seem to recall such a club. I believed it was an Alternative/Modern Rock club which had TV monitors all over. I believe it was the pretty close to the opening of PI. I am trying to recall where it was located...perhaps where the BET stage is now.
"Cage" replaced Videopolis East and is now 8 TRAX. it opened in 1990 and lived a short life of (a little over) two years. :D :D
 

DKampy

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"Cage" replaced Videopolis East and is now 8 TRAX. it opened in 1990 and lived a short life of (a little over) two years. :D :D

Thank you...that was my 1st thought....but then my mind was blury...I was thinking that 8 TRAX may have been there from opening day.
 

DDuckFan130

Well-Known Member
I still think a Spanish music club is desperately needed :lookaroun

I don't go to PI and I'm 21. Just not interested. Carry on :lol:
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
My last recommendation is that PI add a karaoke club. Those are always fun and will attract lots of locals and tourists alike!

I love PI (especially Mannequins) and I really hope that what some of us are feeling is wrong and that it's around for a long time to come!


I think that Captn' Jack has a great idea here... This is a way diversity can be added to the entertainment lineup at PI. It would mean the sacrifice of say the RnRBC, but many say that it is inevitable.
Karaoke would bring in additional people who would go to only the comedy clubs... but don't think its worth the price of a one time ticket. It may also keep guests in PI longer and they will spend more $$.
Are there any other diversity ideas for what else can pump up the PI lineup?
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I love the cultural divide the pond provides. You get outrage at a rather insignificant nipple and ya hoo peed up behaviour, but can see no issue with selling semi automatic weapons in a supermarket or letting any law pass if it is "gods will".

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. I don't think anyone has addressed the availability of guns in this thread, so you don't know the opinions of any Americans here on the subject. You can create a stereotypical U.S. rube to act as a straw man, but that doesn't mean he's present anywhere in this discussion.
 

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