OFFICIAL: PI As of 1/01/07 will be 21 and over

[slappy magoo]

I love the cultural divide the pond provides. You get outrage at a rather insignificant nipple and ya hoo peed up behaviour, but can see no issue with selling semi automatic weapons in a supermarket or letting any law pass if it is "gods will". So exposing kids to drink / drunks is just another example at how society is wrapping kids in cotton wool and ill preparing them for the big bad world. Who decides what constitutes a kid anyway?

And just incase you have never served its not military people that start wars its the politicians. (or the money men that fund them).

My view on PI is shaped by the fact that Britain has one of the worlds worst drinking cultures, yet is one of the most heavily regulated. People blame drink for yobbish behaviour, its not the drink but a lack of fear for the consequences and a lack of respect for others. Far more to dowith the greed is good culture of Thatcher and Regan than the products of Mr Daniels and my native land.

Just an opinion of course.......

First of all, don't be lumping all of us in with the aghast crowd during Nipplegate. Most folks I know rolled their eyes the same way you did. It's just that some people, whether they were truly shocked or not, played it up to a political end. Not everyone over-reacted, or reacted at all.

I'll also go as far as to say, you're right about how we as a nation sometimes cater to a "kid crowd" too much, when it comes to bending over backwards to "protect" kids from images and songs some people think we ought not to see. I grew up not caring much about music, spending all my money on Richard Pryor albums and watching horror movies all night long on cable, and I'm relatively not screwed up...

But when it comes to Pleasure Island, I'm not just talking about protecting kids from the vision of adults imbibing, or hearing some off-color jokes or songs. I'm genuinely talking about their physical safety, as drunken idiots aren't paying attention to where they're walking, or getting into fights, or thinking that a 13 year old wouldn't mind a little bump-n-grind action. Even in the hap-hp-happiest place on earth, there are people who prey on a tourists' sense of safety, or other tourists who feel like they can do anything they want on their vacation, after all, they paid for it, so loutish or perhaps illegal behavior should be exucsed. Come on! It's a party!

Pleasure Island was originally conceived as one big bar area, one big party. You can walk out of a bar with a drink, finish it & buy another on your way to another bar to drink some more. I would suspect that, even "across the pond," you won't find many pubs with a large under-16 clientele, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. They're considered to be a place for grownups, even if those grownups are acting childish. Pleasure Island really shouldn't be any different, even if it does happen to exist in WDW.

 

[Epcot82Guy]

Guys. Let's keep the politics out of this. Forum rules. :wave:

Anyway, the key to a successful PI is versatility. Nightlife is very fickle right now. What is hot one year becomes passe in less than two. Therefore, they need spaces that can quickly be made over and transformed. Usually, that means smaller spaces. It also means broadening the concept of "night life". There are many WDW goers that want to go out to have a drink but not "party". They need their outlet too and should have it on PI. In fact, there are many that want both (start slow then build up).

As for the age, it has to do with profit. Only. While I understand the moral objections, that's not really the role of Disney. They need to balance law suit potential, sanctions, annoyance of buying guests, etc. against if people won't come because they can't leave their kids.

 

[awalkinthepark]

Ok I would just like to leave the library at the AC with my half beer buzz(yes that's all it takes) without having to choose between tripping over a double wide stroller with two snoozing drooling tots(I have two of my own ...I am not baby phobic) at midnight because mommy had to go potty and can't navigate the said double wide stroller without whacking one of the tot's heads into the wall or being crushed by the very drunk Kungaloosh people coming up behind me in that very narrow hallway...

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. .

Indeed as are most on here, which was my point.

Implying exceptions are the norm to justify a view, which could be read as some sort of moral superiority, or at least implies there is some fault with someone that does not agree with that viewpoint. If tripping over strollers is the issue then logic dictates that it should be applied World wide as many threads on here seem to imply that it is a non-drink related issue.

As for the use of the gun analogy, I used it because ( and this is not aimed at you):

1. I knew it would get attention
2. In previous discusions those who like telling others how to live also seem to like weapons
3. I have recently seen some interesting things about dry countys, which seem to have no problem with weapons being sold (an athema to me)
4. One mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter (it all depends on whats your point of view)


THe next portion is non Disney
The comments about 16 year olds and drink in the UK are wasted, if surveys are to be believed most 16 year olds are regular drinkers, either that or on the herbal . Many British towns and cities have banned drinking outside, in order to promote public safety, or could it be to drive you into rejuvenated city areas with their bars and bistros that the councils get high rent and rates for.


It still doesnt hide the fact that PI is so poor in a decidedly non Disney way that you have to be intoxicated to get any enjoyment ( with the two previously noted exceptions):drevil:

 

[The Mom]

Wow! Lots of broad brush painting going on here on both sides of the pond!

Let's try to keep to the topic at hand, please, and leave the incidental but not directly related discussions out of it. Thank you.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

Wow! Lots of broad brush painting going on here on both sides of the pond!

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I use pads, much more efficient, you must have seen them on day time TV.

 

[ellekae]

:sohappy: Under-age should NOT be in nightclubs. It's a pain in the rear for bar employees and nothing but a liability issue. It's about time that they laid back down the law.

Whine about it all you want, but once you turn of age you might see it differently.

PI was not built as the private playground of CP anyway, why do you think so many CP get sent home early?

I'm a CP alum, and from my experience, CP's were not sent home early because of incidents at PI--it was mainly drinking within the apartments. Really, most CP's aren't stupid enough to go to PI drunk, drink there, or hold a drink for someone there. I'm under 21, and I went to PI very often, sober every time, and had a good time. The reference keeps being made to letting "kids" in...I am 20, and the difference between me, the 18 year old who can get in, and the 21 year old who can drink there really isn't that much. Maybe if you're one of the people who doesn't like the kids, you should look at how they currently let people in under 18 with their parents as the problem, not the CP's--we're adults, paying our own bills, going to school, and all of that stuff, not kids. And PI is not a private playground for CP's, we just happen to be the bulk of people who go there a lot. I don't mean to sound rude, but I feel as if many CP's have been bashed, because there are LOADS of well-behaved excellent CP's who just want to go out and have a good time...a lot more than the few stupid ones who give us a bad rep.

 

[metscool]

I give it two months before Diisney realizes that they are losing a lot of money. Going there every weekend and seeing a lot of kids that are not 21 in the dance clubs, I have to say in two months they are going to bring it back to the way it is now.

 

[MMP]

The only reason to me that they would lose revenue by making it 21 and over only is that it may make the over 21 crowd more likely to go somewhere else with their under 21 friends. If you have a whole group of people and half of them can't get in one place they're more than likely going to change their plans and go somewhere they can all get in and then the over 21's would be buying drinks elsewhere.

 

[fredtom]

I think there should be an age restriction at ALL the PI clubs, including AC and CW. It would be nice to have some adult only areas at WDW, just as there are on the DCL ships. An 18 year old minimum would be okay with me. (I was young once too.)


"An Adventurer's life is best!" :lol:

 

[Magicot]

The reference keeps being made to letting "kids" in...I am 20, and the difference between me, the 18 year old who can get in, and the 21 year old who can drink there really isn't that much. Maybe if you're one of the people who doesn't like the kids, you should look at how they currently let people in under 18 with their parents as the problem, not the CP's--we're adults, paying our own bills, going to school, and all of that stuff, not kids. And PI is not a private playground for CP's, we just happen to be the bulk of people who go there a lot. I don't mean to sound rude, but I feel as if many CP's have been bashed, because there are LOADS of well-behaved excellent CP's who just want to go out and have a good time...a lot more than the few stupid ones who give us a bad rep.

:sohappy: Well said! I'm hoping that this 21+ rule doesn't last long. I'm 20 and would love to enjoy myself at these clubs with CP friends.

 

[Piebald]

Didn't want to read through all these pages but I had a question ....


What if someone bought an annual pass to PI not too long ago and they're underage? Will the pass be honored for the duration of the year even though they're underage or what?

 

[mdisney]

Didn't want to read through all these pages but I had a question ....


What if someone bought an annual pass to PI not too long ago and they're underage? Will the pass be honored for the duration of the year even though they're underage or what?[/quote

There are two clubs you can get into still they are Comedy Warehouse and Adventures Club.

 

[Toddster]

Disney just shot themselves in the foot......


The corporates are just a bunch of old farts and don't know what the hell is going on. Get rid of bringing in under 18 by their parents...problem solved.


- Future CP Jan 07

 

[The Mom]

Disney just shot themselves in the foot......


The corporates are just a bunch of old farts and don't know what the hell is going on. Get rid of bringing in under 18 by their parents...problem solved.


- Future CP Jan 07

I really don't believe that guests under 18, in the company of their parents, are causing many problems at PI.

I suspect that it is the 18-21 year olds who are old enough to get into the clubs, but not old enough to legally drink, who might be causing problems for WDW. That is not to say that some guests are not bothered by children in places such as AC or CW, but unless they are misbehaving, those children are not causing security problems. As far as the bottom line goes, I spend as much on my children's soft drinks as an 18 year old, PLUS I spend a quite a bit on my drinks...probably more than a couple of 18 year olds would spend on cokes.

So which brings in more money? Two adults purchasing alcoholic drinks, plus soft drinks for their child, (on top of paying three full price admissions) or three 18 year olds purchasing only soft drinks?

And how many people have left a club because of a child, vs how many people have left because of an unruly drunk or misbehaving bunch of 18+ year olds?

 

[Magicot]

Disney just shot themselves in the foot......


The corporates are just a bunch of old farts and don't know what the hell is going on. Get rid of bringing in under 18 by their parents...problem solved.


- Future CP Jan 07

Hey Toddster, I hear ya! I'll be there in Jan too.

Future CPs of the world... UNITE!

 

[PhotoDave219]

Heh... last night at Motion i got the biggest kick of watching two people get escorted out because of underaged drinking. Their friends got irritated at me for making fun of them... alas i wasn't the one to go converse with OCSO.

Thats the problem - underaged drinking. Thats probably why this is happening.

And frankly if you think that bringing your child into a nightclub environment is proper parenting, more power to you. I suppose a college fund can be used for bail instead....

 

[PhotoDave219]

thats not fair! my sister (21) and i (16) love motions. god i had to use her to get in but now i cant even do that! thats crazy!:fork:

No its not.... and you just don't belong there at 16. Sorry.

 

[cmatt]

cuts down the licesncing (sp) costs.... (well in the uk it would )

i cant really see them loosing alot of money tbh, if the drinking laws were 18 in florida it would be 18 instead of 21, and at first they may have to subsidise the drinks slightly to get people in

Although i can see why the 18+'s would be a bit miffed - i would be, but they are adhearing to state laws i guess...

Give me a pub to get drunk in anyday of the week, but i dont think anyone under the drinking age should be allowed into these places. I know disney world and all that but it is nice to escape from the little.....
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...darlings every now and then - and this is what it will offer. It will attract MORE adults now because it will offer them a bit of disney without kids screaming because they are tired....

Although i really dont fancy being half cut in magic kingdom - thats got headache written all over it :lol: as the poster above me said - kids dont belong in night clubs.