It says "Proud member of the DVC" so don't you think your the last person who should be critsizing me for complaning about DVC. Your view is more biased than mine is since you actually have money tied into this thing.
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New Titles and Positions Announced including Jim MacPhee
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It says "Proud member of the DVC" so don't you think your the last person who should be critsizing me for complaning about DVC. Your view is more biased than mine is since you actually have money tied into this thing.
yankspy
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Okay Enigma, personal stuff aside, what is your answer to the bolded part?
Captain Chaos
Well-Known Member
I took the DVC tour in May 2007.... It took me a few months to crunch the numbers and do the research.. I reached out to other members.. I called Member Services a number of times to ask questions.. I spoke to my sales agent a few times a week when I had questions about things... Everything IS on the up and up... again, if someone goes into this thing uninformed, then it is their problem...
Captain Chaos
Well-Known Member
I am a proud member of the DVC.... You can hate it all you want... Just don't twist things to make it seem like it is the evil that is undoing Disney when in fact, it is a major asset and HELPS the parks if anything...
Captain Chaos
Well-Known Member
What about it???
Since I don't have the info at this time I will have to get back to you on this when I do some research. I'm not gonna make up stuff unlike some folks on this board. Sounds fishy though and I remember specifically hearing the sales rep that points could change when I went to the presentation.
yankspy
Well-Known Member
Fair enough.
Disney didn't spend 2 1/2 years building 800 rooms at the Animal Kingdom Villas and Bay Lake Tower with the expectation that they would sell-out in a handful of months. With 4 different destinations offered now (Treehouse Villas and Grand Californian are the other two), they will be selling these resorts for at least another 2-3 years. And until the ownership is sold to consumers, Disney retains ownership. THAT is why the resorts are available via recent promotions. It's no different than when Saratoga Springs was offered as a free or low-price upgrade in recent years. It helps Disney fill the rooms they have not yet sold and gives guests a little taste of the DVC experience.
BTW the projection of a 2009 sales increase comes from the Morgan Stanley report referenced in the Sentinel article. It's not just Disney's own wishful thinking.
The first Bay Lake Tower and Grand Californian sales will hit the books in the current fiscal year, and both locations were very eagerly anticipated. And since they have effectively raised prices on the Animal Kingdom Villas by 10% over the past 3 months (via a combination of increased prices and decresed incentives), it doesn't seem so far-fetched.
WDW1974
Well-Known Member
There's nothing good I can say about this restructuring.
It is largely a power play by Jay Rasulo to solidify his power base while being able to use the economy as an excuse to further dilute and diminish quality across the brand.
Jim MacPhee's title suggests that there are actually 'special projects' of importance to be worked on. In essence it's just a gentle nudge to him that it might be time to retire or look for employment beyond the pixie dust. Instead he gets replaced by Dan Cockerell ... someone whose meteroric rise up the WDW corporate ladder was greased by Daddy Lee Cockerell. I shudder to think of what EPCOT will look like under his alleged 'leadership' ... especially considering it really wasn't looking great this week at all to begin with (no fanbois, nothing new on SSE!)
It's much like Tom McAlpin being pushed out of the DCL (he, along with Matt Ouimett, had more to do with it being a truly top rate product than anyone) in favor of retread/Rasulo flying monkey Karl Holz.
So now Jay has four of his people running the parks in Florida (Jim most definitely wasn't a Jay guy). He also has Al Weiss and Erin Wallace (the two people most responsible for WDW's direction downward the last decade) expanding their power base to Anaheim (just watch how well that one works). More magical homogenization because people don't visit DL or EPCOT or DAK ... they visit Disney Parks Where Dreams Come True and Magic Lives and Now (After The Two Years of Two Million Dreams) WHAT WILL YOU CELEBRATE?
As to DVC sales, I don't care who is saying what at this point ... no one is going to convince me that sales are fine in this worldwide recession headed for depression. They wouldn't be discounting them at all if they were selling like they want. The BLT has been the equivalent of a wet dream for salespeople for years ... and it isn't doing what they expected (and seriously, how could anyone expect timeshare sales to spike when people are losing their HOMES?)
~Pass the Pixie Dust~
It is largely a power play by Jay Rasulo to solidify his power base while being able to use the economy as an excuse to further dilute and diminish quality across the brand.
Jim MacPhee's title suggests that there are actually 'special projects' of importance to be worked on. In essence it's just a gentle nudge to him that it might be time to retire or look for employment beyond the pixie dust. Instead he gets replaced by Dan Cockerell ... someone whose meteroric rise up the WDW corporate ladder was greased by Daddy Lee Cockerell. I shudder to think of what EPCOT will look like under his alleged 'leadership' ... especially considering it really wasn't looking great this week at all to begin with (no fanbois, nothing new on SSE!)
It's much like Tom McAlpin being pushed out of the DCL (he, along with Matt Ouimett, had more to do with it being a truly top rate product than anyone) in favor of retread/Rasulo flying monkey Karl Holz.
So now Jay has four of his people running the parks in Florida (Jim most definitely wasn't a Jay guy). He also has Al Weiss and Erin Wallace (the two people most responsible for WDW's direction downward the last decade) expanding their power base to Anaheim (just watch how well that one works). More magical homogenization because people don't visit DL or EPCOT or DAK ... they visit Disney Parks Where Dreams Come True and Magic Lives and Now (After The Two Years of Two Million Dreams) WHAT WILL YOU CELEBRATE?
As to DVC sales, I don't care who is saying what at this point ... no one is going to convince me that sales are fine in this worldwide recession headed for depression. They wouldn't be discounting them at all if they were selling like they want. The BLT has been the equivalent of a wet dream for salespeople for years ... and it isn't doing what they expected (and seriously, how could anyone expect timeshare sales to spike when people are losing their HOMES?)
~Pass the Pixie Dust~
WDWFigment
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MousDad
New Member
The kind of power he has (now) amassed for himself can't be easily undone.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
The Shareholders? Do they have any say in this? Although a majority of them may not care so long as Disney is making the $.
Jay may never leave until some kind of Pressler like screw up happens and he gets blamed.
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
While I agree on the whole premise that this is a bad move, I don't understand why you are being negative about this. Most of our other "people in the know" are brushing it off as merely a slight organization for greater ease in running the resort. While the EPCOT Change DOES worry me, what power does the VP have? Why are you worried about this, 74?
Expo_Seeker40
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....because while it will be nice to have refurbished Fountain of Nations, enhanced SSE ending, (if I am reading spirit's post correctly) these things that we enjoy....the changes we are for, are going to be slim to none in a network run by those who have little to no understanding and the uniqueness and magic of the company they are working for and will oversaturate the brand in everyway they can which could cause (for example) Main Street to become a complete mall, (why get your haircut....no one wants to do that while on vacation, here, lets put a new store in here.....no one wants to watch glass blowers...this would be great for a new store.
It's scary folks....it really is......just how commercialised these parks are becoming.
Funny thing is, I see more people going on the rides and watching shows then wandering around gift shops, or stopping at a DVC booth, or buying an oversized ball and dollar store merchandise in the breezeways of InnoVentions east and west.
Actually...I don't think I have EVER seen someone actually stop and talk to a CM at a DVC booth or by an large plastic ball at Epcot.
It's scary folks....it really is......just how commercialised these parks are becoming.
Funny thing is, I see more people going on the rides and watching shows then wandering around gift shops, or stopping at a DVC booth, or buying an oversized ball and dollar store merchandise in the breezeways of InnoVentions east and west.
Actually...I don't think I have EVER seen someone actually stop and talk to a CM at a DVC booth or by an large plastic ball at Epcot.
CaptainMichael
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I really can't answer for him, but the reason I don't like this is because nothing has really changed except that the one "it-getter" is no longer in charge of a park. He now has some cryptic position. Basically all it is, to use your words, is a "slight organization". Nothing of substance is happening.
No one is being held accountable for the Pleasure Island blunder (plans that started in motion years ago) and other problems.
Rasulo is still in charge.
jedimaster1227
Active Member
Sorry to say this, but you are way off. DVC will continue to expand as one of Disney's more profitable branches. The Bay Lake Tower and the Animal Kingdom Lodge Villas are only the beginning. There will be more in the coming years.
If there was really such a negative profit coming from the division, then the creation of new resorts would have halted nearly two years ago at the onset of a visible financial instability.
This was the setup I had heard about earlier yesterday and is the same setup I was hoping for earlier this month. A strong set of decisions if you ask me.
Sure... Please remember that Wikipedia and other forums (and forum members from whom you copy their information) won't provide you with accurate numbers to refute your clearly off-base statements.
Bingo! :lol:
I have no issue with being proven wrong, but you've yet to prove me wrong in any form, or to prove anyone else wrong for that matter. But go ahead and strive for a truthful piece of information that you can attempt to shove down our throats once more. By the time you actually get something of value (if ever), I doubt anyone will really believe you.
It all goes back to the whole trust issue. I feel no trust in someone that's been banned before only to come back and start spewing information without credibility. Your previous username knew nothing as a source (in fact, you were always the one of the questioning side) and now, you claim to be in the know. I again call your bluff.
So let me see here for a second...
Space Mountain-It has hurt all of the other resorts and taken away from the experience, especially at the highly successful Hong Kong Disneyland. Cloning is terrible eh?
Toy Story Mania- Its certainly killed the attendance figures at Disney's Hollywood Studios and definitely dug Disney's California Adventure deeper into the perilous in which it is sinking.
Soarin'- Destroyed all that was good and enjoyable in Epcot. California Adventure's Condor Flats is the least visited area of the park because the anti-clone activists don't approve of its sister ride.
Thunder Mountain- A travesty in every park which it has been placed.
Splash Mountain- Racist and implicative of sexual motions; it rots the brains of helpless guests faster than a showing of Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog when played on Hulu.
Haunted Mansion- Definitely one of the worst attractions to ever be cloned. This clone-harborer brings nothing to the table but gothic overtones and depression.
Pirates of the Caribbean- The most hated clone of the bunch. It definitely has no merit or value in parks solely because of its cloned status in the field.
Tiki Room- Not even Iago and Zazu could save this clone from destroying Walt Disney World one showing at a time.
Dumbo- The biggest waste-of-space clone in the park.
Turtle Talk- The absolute worst clone of all; it was cloned and placed one pod down from its original location. Cloning and enlarging is the greatest evil of all, especially when it adds capacity and decreases wait times. Evil. :fork:
I don't believe I've even mentioned Rasulo once on this thread. I stated my reason for relief over the restructuring and who went unaffected. Nothing more. Nothing less. :shrug:
I have. I would check the books before you make such bold claims against me. :animwink:
He's been there for quite some time. Right about the time when Enigma's username was registered on the forum. :lol:
It doesn't. It just means that because Disney does what every company with contracts does, they are more evil and corrupt than the others.
If anything, his view is a more informed one. The numbers are open for viewing and nothing that you've said has matched up. I myself am not a member of DVC, so I can come from an unbiased position and say that you are clearly wrong.
As I said before, Wikipedia and copy other forum posters information isn't information. :animwink:
WDWFigment
Well-Known Member
I'm a hypocrite. I post that (what you quoted in responding to this), then I go ahead and respond to him. It's too easy to get sucked in, but I'm not letting it happen to me again.
Anyway, I don't think anyone is going to believe Enigma over you when he contradicts something you say. Besides maybe Enigma, himself.
SirGoofy
Member
The only one I have a problem with is Phil, but the rest I'm okay with. Especially if the projects I've heard about come to fruition. The next few years could either be terrific or incredibly disappointing.
