WDW1974
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I do too. Would I rather a sub ride without a toon overlay? Sure.
But if it's the Nemo Subs or the McPoohplayground and Diaper Change Area, the subs are going to come out on top everytime.
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I do too. Would I rather a sub ride without a toon overlay? Sure.
But if it's the Nemo Subs or the McPoohplayground and Diaper Change Area, the subs are going to come out on top everytime.
~Pass the Pixie Dust~
HMF
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Like I said earlier I wish Roy was running the company.
GhostHostMatt
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HMF
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I wish the company was still owned by the Disney family.
jt04
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This is an eye opening thread.That the insiders and experts disagree explains to me why there are many viewpoints on this forum. Fascinating stuff to say the least. At least I now understand where "74" is coming from.
My sense is that Iger is not a puppet and he certainly is no fool. And I also believe he is very strategic but holds his cards very close. Roy's silence speaks volumes IMO. Either that or he does not want to do battle anymore. More likely, he has complete confidence in Iger.
This is how I see it. Iger has kept Pixar sound while bringing back WDAS. I think the real results of his leadership over animation will be seen in the next two tent pole releases from WDAS; TPatF and Rapunzel. Pixar has some great stuff in the pipeline too (but using Ed 'I <3 Stalin' Asner.......really? :brick:, That'll cost Pixar for years, make no mistake. But I guess it's all about China these days). DL is restored and DCA will soon be a real Disney park. I really believe WDW is next.
Thanks Tim G. for the awesome contributions. Best read since Jim Stewarts' musings! :animwink: And I am not being sarcastic. :wave:
GhostHostMatt
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But to play devil's advocate you could argue that Pixar people (Lasseter/Catmull) forced the directors of Frog Princess to swap out there pick for music, alen menken (beauty & the beast, little mermaid, aladdin), with lasseters buddy (cant remember his name) whos music I never found to be that great even in the toy story films.
On Rapunzel, the movie wasn't going in the direction Lasseter wanted so he removed the directors i Glen keane who is probably the most respected animator at Disney because he wouldn't go along with Lasseters vision.
Lasseter had a fight with Chris Saunders (Lilo & Stitch) over American Dog, and what would have been a rather unique and memorable film was ripped apart and turned into an extremly generic film relying on star voice talent.
and the result so far? Both movies released under Lasseters tenure have been flops (Meet The Robinsons, Bolt). I know we all hope Princess Frog does well but I'm keeping super low expectations (and believe me I want to see a return to high quality 2D hand drawn fairy tales more than anyone) especially after they watered down the film because of potential backlash over "racial content". Maddie was replaced by Titiana, the villian was watered down, and even the title was changed from the classy "The Frog Princess" to the longer and more generic "The Princess and the Frog". Bu
I don't necessarily agree with what I just wrote but it would certainly add more weight to Corrus's claims. I was warned by him and enderikari some time ago that Pixar was taking Disney for a ride...:lookaroun
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TP2000
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The Blue Sky Cellar preview center at DCA says otherwise, at least as far as American theme parks are concerned. There's Pixar stuff, to be sure. Heck, Cars Land is an entire LAND with rides, stores and restaurants all based off of one Pixar movie!
But there's also lots of classic 20th century Disney animation and themes coming to the park in 2009-2011....
Mickey's Fun Wheel with 1930's Fab Five Characters themeing the ferris wheel.
Silly Symphony Swings replacing the Orange Stinger. This is a C Ticket spinner ride themed to the 1929-1938 Silly Symhony series of cartoon shorts?!? Who would have ever thunk it just a few years ago when Disney parks were trying so hard to be cynical and hip and edgy?
Goofy's Sky School replacing Mulholland Madness. Yet more 1930's era cartoon shorts used to theme a D Ticket thrill ride to the hilt.
Disney's World of Color night lagoon show. Taking the baby boomer 1960's TV show as inspiration, and using the famous theme song to kick things off every night, this one will use plenty of non-Pixar animation and themes.
The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Adventure, a major E Ticket dark ride with a custom built Omnimover, dozens of sophisticated animatronics, cutting edge effects, and large lavish sets hosting elaborate musical production numbers! HELLO?! Can you say Pirates, Small World, Haunted Mansion, World of Motion, etc., etc.? All of a sudden it's 1967 again and a big E Ticket animatronic spectacular is being added to Disneyland, except this time it's in DCA. And it's not Pixar.
Buena Vista Street, an extreme makeover and total rebuild of the park entrance and opening act. All based around Roaring 1920's Los Angeles when Walt first arrived from the Midwest with only a cardboard suitcase. For the first time in history, Disney is spending big bucks to totally transform a park entrance, even adding clanging Red Car trolleys and a copy of the Carthay Circle Theater. With not a Pixar reference in sight.
While the timeline for these types of additions at WDW isn't nearly as aggresive, or publicly announced yet, I would not be at all surprised to see some of these attractions show up in WDW later in the next decade.
It's not all about Pixar currently, or in the future.
DisneyEverest
Member
I want Eisner back! :lookaroun... I also wish the Disney Company was still owned by the Disney family.
The worry is they don`t see that WDW is broken.
Duckberg
Active Member
THIS thread
Since I'm not a CM @ WDW I've found
this thread interesting reading. Trying
to get a BIG picture view of what is &
isn't going on in the parks.
Since there appears to be a lot of NAMES
mentioned (Joe & Sally Doe) for a sideline
person knowing ZERO about these persons
keeping my :zipit: shut is the way to go!
Duckberg
Since I'm not a CM @ WDW I've found
this thread interesting reading. Trying
to get a BIG picture view of what is &
isn't going on in the parks.
Since there appears to be a lot of NAMES
mentioned (Joe & Sally Doe) for a sideline
person knowing ZERO about these persons
keeping my :zipit: shut is the way to go!
Duckberg
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
Regardless...Shouldn't we get SOME TLC?
Yes we should.Regardless...Shouldn't we get SOME TLC?
EPCOT Explorer
New Member
So then why worry?:lookaroun
jedimaster1227
Active Member
Tirian, Lee and Tim have had no direct criticism towards what I have said on this thread. If they did specifically say something that contradicts what I have said, then I may be mistaken--I trust and respect all three of them having spent enough time here to understand their credibility. WDW1974 (as always) has my utmost respect in every sense, and while we do not always see eye to eye, I listen to his words with an open heart and mind. By the time of my previous post in question, he had not directed a response towards me yet. You will see my response to him below.
As for the question of threat, I would do no such thing. I do not threaten, nor do I flame. Not once have I accused you of being Thrawn (he is of a completely different style); I have merely attempted to reveal the cold, hard fact that you are member of previous banned status (on multiple counts). I merely stated that (after being urged by multiple others on this forum) I would bring your status to the attention of the mods. This is not a threat, merely a statement.
To every question for which I have a response (specifically those that have been directed at me), I have responded. If I have offended or upset any member here for accidently overlooking a question directed at me, feel free to let me know so that I may revisit it and respond appropriately.
And may I say that in my defense, you have seemingly been selective when it comes to replying to my posts (when I reply to all of yours directed at me). You certainly answer only the questions which suit you, including those regarding your origins on the forum. If you are going to call me out for anything else besides my age and intellect, I ask that you be prepared to be ready for the same treatment as is fair in this setting. I show you the same respect you have shared with me in your extravagant time here.
Its so much fun remembering members of the past, right Lee?
As for the Its a Small World issue, I had vaguely heard of some accusations, but I was told that it was more of a PR deal. Basically, Marty was told to not acknowledge any new work on the lagoon (as was the rest of WDI and DL management) until an official announcement was made. I can't really see any issue past that.
The whole issue in question seems to be very similar to the Bay Lake Tower, which wasn't officially acknowledged--even though it was already clearly vertical by the time--until the announcement was released.
I guess I'm not the only one that sees fault here...
I responded to your post above. I don't single you out--you do it on your own with off-base statements about the evils of DVC and attraction cloning negativity. As with the other posters, I respond to what I see before me that merits a response. I respect Lee, Corrus, Tirian and the others whom you mentioned enough to leave their posts be, unless I find something which I should refute or call for a discussion on. The same goes for you.
1. The members of management who have shown strength in the organization have been retained in the restructuring.
2. Although copies are inevitable, their additions to the various parks will only help the parks in the long run.
3. Phil Holmes' power has been limited in a safe, yet suitable manner.
4. The company has shown that (while it is difficult to do so) it can adjust and adapt itself to the changing times without having to take more major action like shutting down the parks on a staggered schedule.
You are right that I can't name five without stretching it, but I think four will suffice. These are based purely on opinion, as always when it comes to my beliefs of company policy or decisions.
For me, I see things like they could be far worse. Universal, amidst all of its expansion is silently ailing under the new policies and plans designed to stabilize its profits during this time of instability. Resort-wide attraction closures leave gaps in their offerings, and while a few "refurbishments" have given Disney the chance to do the same, the result is entirely different knowing that the attractions that close will eventually re-open--a luxury that the Universal attractions like Fear Factor and Poseidon's Fury (that closure should be announced soon) don't have.
Universal has also put a hold on all of its merchandise purchases. In-park stores have been told that they must empty their stockpiles first before any new merchandise will be ordered.
Maybe I'm just the strange optimist, but I look at this as the glass half full, rather than half empty. I look at our parks and visit others and realize, it could be much worse.
Because they don`t think it`s too broken.
Captain Chaos
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A man of so little words, but, those words have so much meaning... :ROFLOL:
jt04
Well-Known Member
Optimists are not strange, just rare. I'm grateful for your viewpoint that you take the time to express here.
They need to spend a day in Future World and do an honest evaluation of it's condition. It is largely a theme park without a theme. :brick:
EDIT: Speaking of optimists, I suggest a quick trip to the blue sky disney blog and a quick read of Mr Hunter's entry about the reorginization (right below the George Washington entry). He makes some great points.