MM+ Why we can't have nice things.

[ParentsOf4]

Both are looking to bring in families though. I've seen loads of kids in Olivanders, loads of kids on Forbidden Journey though, etc.

The kids I know can't wait to reach 48" so they can ride Forbidden Journey. Don't know if this is typical though.

To them, WDW has become a "kiddie park" with Princesses and Pirates. They want to go on "big kid" rides.

Really unfortunate because WDW is not just for small children. It originally was targeted for the 8-to-14 year-old crowd and their families. (Hence, so few strollers back in the old days.)

But Disney (understandably IMHO) has been targeting a younger crowd over the last decade and parents are rushing off to relive their youths by dragging their small children (often still in diapers) to WDW.

Don't get me wrong; WDW is fun for any age. But when tweens start thinking of it as a kiddie park, you start to wonder if years from now whether they'll take their children to WDW or Universal. After they grow up, they are much more likely to remember their Universal visit when they were age 10 rather than their WDW visit when they were age 5.

20 years from now, I can't help but wonder if Universal will have the same nostalgia factor corporate Disney has been preying on for years.

Hopefully, Pandora at DAK and Star Wars Land at DHS will help WDW appeal to an older crowd once more.

 

[Pumbas Nakasak]

The kids I know can't wait to reach 48" so they can ride Forbidden Journey. Don't know if this is typical though.

To them, WDW has become a "kiddie park" with Princesses and Pirates. They want to go on "big kid" rides.

Really unfortunate because WDW is not just for small children. It originally was targeted for the 8-to-14 year-old crowd and their families. (Hence, so few strollers back in the old days.)

But Disney (understandably IMHO) has been targeting a younger crowd over the last decade and parents are rushing off to relive their youths by dragging their small children (often still in diapers) to WDW.

Don't get me wrong; WDW is fun for any age. But when tweens start thinking of it as a kiddie park, you start to wonder if years from now whether they'll take their children to WDW or Universal. After they grow up, they are much more likely to remember their Universal visit when they were age 10 rather than their WDW visit when they were age 5.

20 years from now, I can't help but wonder if Universal will have the same nostalgia factor corporate Disney has been preying on for years.

Hopefully, Pandora at DAK and Star Wars Land at DHS will help WDW appeal to an older crowd once more.

If you visit Uk boards, where we dont have the same "emotional investment" with Disney, what you describe is exactly what appears to be happening and is supported by disney advertising. the cost of Disney tickets against the Orlando flex is another factor in these fiscally aware times.

 

[SirLink]

If you visit Uk boards, where we dont have the same "emotional investment" with Disney, what you describe is exactly what appears to be happening and is supported by disney advertising. the cost of Disney tickets against the Orlando flex is another factor in these fiscally aware times.

Unless you know people in the travel agency who get you discounted tickets and get you discount on the discount - but even still it is a not better than a 14 day Uni ticket for £99 with 10% off.

 

[ABQ]

Hopefully, Pandora at DAK and Star Wars Land at DHS will help WDW appeal to an older crowd once more.

I'm with you on that hope. Back in the day it was Epcot that bridged the gap from the kiddies to the adults. Frankly, if that could happen once again, I could care less what takes place at AK and HS, but we know that isn't going to happen any time soon.

 

[Jane Doe]

If you visit Uk boards, where we dont have the same "emotional investment" with Disney, what you describe is exactly what appears to be happening and is supported by disney advertising. the cost of Disney tickets against the Orlando flex is another factor in these fiscally aware times.

Looking at Disney's official site a 7 day park hopper is running at the same cost as a week round the Caribbean on a cruise ship. It's much easier to sell a cruise as part of a two week Florida break to the Missus than a week at Disney, particularly when all that's different from the last two years is that they've made the mound of earth behind the castle look more like a mound of rocks. Like a SirLink and yourself also mention, the $99 Uni/Flexticket options are a bargain, and compared to Universal last year there is Transformers and Springfield additions.

 

[The Visionary Soul]

Proof.



And I was able to book FP+ for today...



This system is SEAMLESS I tell you!

(seriously though, I did call and report it to Disney...they need to know about glitches like these so they can fix them)...

FYI, due to a limitation of the system on Disney's end (bad design) they will need to create dummy 1 park tickets every now and again. Not sure exactly why, but I believe it has to do with transferring one ticket to another.

 

[asianway]

You've got a Thick skin. Others have been trolled away from this forum by pitchforked mobs.

Good riddance to them. Realize of course most of them didn't leave of their own choosing having broken forum rukes

 

[SirLink]

FYI, due to a limitation of the system on Disney's end (bad design) they will need to create dummy 1 park tickets every now and again. Not sure exactly why, but I believe it has to do with transferring one ticket to another.

That sounds like some weird threading issues and maybe a 2D array out of whack before it dumps it into a database ... kind of issue.

 

[flynnibus]

When it comes to the Magic Kingdom Disney is trying to get families with young kids and the expansion of the Magic Kingdom has help with this. It believe that the new Seven Dwarf Mine Train will add to this appeal.

The 'kids or nothing' approach is getting to the point of sickening. Walk into a Disney Store lately? I could count on my hand how many products were there for anyone over the age of 9.

 

[FrankLapidus]

The 'kids or nothing' approach is getting to the point of sickening. Walk into a Disney Store lately? I could count on my hand how many products were there for anyone over the age of 9.

Absolutely. Sort of goes against Walt's vision for the parks that served Disney so well for so long but its not all that surprising given that some at the company seem to have very little knowledge or respect for the heritage and tradition that they have inherited.

 

[spacemt354]

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So when I see the dreaded insult, then only thing I can do is best displayed in this picture:

Jimmy Thick- A picture is worth a thousand words they say.

Whenever I see a Disney vs Uni argument break out...this is the only thing I can do...

 

[ford91exploder]

The 'kids or nothing' approach is getting to the point of sickening. Walk into a Disney Store lately? I could count on my hand how many products were there for anyone over the age of 9.

Remember when Disney Stores were truly amazing places with original animation Cels and Maquettes at the high end. unique toys for the kids and disney home and office decor items for the rest of us.

 

[ford91exploder]

Fire extinguisher?

CO2, Halon or PKP???

 

[marni1971]

Remember when Disney Stores were truly amazing places with original animation Cels and Maquettes at the high end. unique toys for the kids and disney home and office decor items for the rest of us.

We said that a few weeks ago as we walked right past one of Manchesters flagship stores. They used to even stock a few niche park books and CDs.

Now it's like kindergarten.

 

[marni1971]

CO2, Halon or PKP???

Halon. Clears the air.

 

[ford91exploder]

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[flynnibus]

Remember when Disney Stores were truly amazing places with original animation Cels and Maquettes at the high end. unique toys for the kids and disney home and office decor items for the rest of us.

Sad thing is our local store is one of the revamped ones.. the 'magical' ones.

The thinking mirrors the park.. lets throw some technology in... lean on past experiences... and pander to the 5-9yr old and ignore everyone else.

In the store that means... put projections on lucite trees... create a 'wishes will begin in 5minutes' kind of anticipation by tapping into those experiences from the park... and then stock almost exclusive toddler merchandise.

 

[ford91exploder]

Halon. Clears the air.

That it does ALL OF IT.

 

[ford91exploder]

Which is why some are critical of Disney, the focus has shifted from whole family to a select portion. And it could be argued the section thats cheapest to please. It is their right to do so, just as its hardly unexpected that those who are deemed no longer wanted complain.

Exactly this, We know that the 'whole family' model worked and worked well for DIS some of us started as kids and 20-30 years later we are STILL going, The whole 'toddlers only' strategy while cheap has the potential to backfire over the long term which DIS no longer considers.

Disney was keyed to the 8-14 year old demographic for decades, Now they are shooting for the 2-7 demographic. For the repeat family customers It is extremely likely that they will think of UNI as the park where they have the best memories.

Lets face it how many of us remember much of our lives before first grade or so. We definitely remember our school and adolescent years.

This will start to hit in 5-8 years as today's teens become young adults with their own families, It's possible that DIS will become the 1-2 day park and UNI will get the lion's share of the family vacation simply because the nostalgia will be stronger for UNI than DIS.

 

[ford91exploder]

FYI, due to a limitation of the system on Disney's end (bad design) they will need to create dummy 1 park tickets every now and again. Not sure exactly why, but I believe it has to do with transferring one ticket to another.

If they are using 1-Day tickets as 'working' files it probably explains the limitations of 1 Park for FP+ AND why AP's and Premier Passports have so many issues with the system. As the system is architected around the 1-Day ticket all the features flow from that.

Since the other media has features the default 1-Day ticket does not have there is no support for the data structures needed to support the various other features, hopping etc, non-expiry, multiple locations (DL and WDW).

This even more strongly supports the theory that design was done by TWDC executives instead of professionals.

A professional would have designed an abstract $ADMISSION_MEDIA which could inherit properties like hopping etc as each would just be a case of the $ADMISSION_MEDIA which would contain pointers to the necessary properties and only ownership/biometrics/validity permanently associated with its record type and would inherit the properties it needed to build arbitrary admission media. Of course this would facilitate upgrade/downgrade of media simply by adding and deleting properties.

It could be argued even biometrics should be a property as some media especially hard ticket parties would not require biometric validation.

That being said, Things like this show the amateurish design and design done by someone ignorant of formal design data structures, I can see the need for the 'scratch memory' but scratch memory should never affect customer records which means conversion processes are directiy manipulating customer records, Of course they need to as the last step but ONLY as the last step.

Things like this have the potential for large scale data loss with rollback only possible from tape or virtual tape so all databases are consistent at a fixed point in time.