WDWDad13
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If they announce phase 3 then I honestly believe they are banking too much and using up too much of the park now for HP
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If they announce phase 3 then I honestly believe they are banking too much and using up too much of the park now for HP
There's plenty more coming aside from Potter. Some of the plans made even me go wow.
And as always, any amazingly themed and immersive area or attraction with proper budgets allocated will succeed regardless of the IP. Only the ignorant would dislike something due to the name. We couldn't care for Potter the first time we rode Forbidden Journey. We've never seen a Twilight Zone episode. I watched Song of the South once.
As it stands phase three is at wait and see. Comcast are aware of over milking the cash cow. There's other IPs to exploit first. And they will do. I really really wish Disney would do the same with stunning attractions that wow us again.
Nubs70
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Yes I could, this is a forum and that's what happens in forums. What you witness here is a phenomena known as discussion.
ParentsOf4
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For PotC and HM, FP+ was added to these attractions. These attractions previously did not have FP. "Before" and "after" numbers will give us an idea of how these attractions were impacted by FP+.
FP+ shifts wait time from the express to the standby line. With FP+, guests in these newly created Standby lines should end up waiting longer.
Conversely, attractions that previously had FP should be impacted only slightly by FP+.
The goal of FP+ is to get guests to preplan their trips around their FP+ selections. As such, FP+ might (I'm just guessing) have a higher redemption rate than FP. That means potentially more guests in FP+ lines.
Conversely, if there aren't FP super-users (like me) getting 8-to-10 FP per day, is that going to more evenly distribute ride capacity?
Gone are my days of riding RnRC 3 or 4 times a day, each time with FP.
Are there enough like me that our changed behaviors will help Standby lines?
As I've suggested before, it's difficult to be sure exactly how FP+ ultimately will impact Standby lines because FP+ is designed to alter guest behavior. It really depends on which groups of guests dominate the system, and which groups of guests' behaviors are most modified.
It can be modeled but, like any model, it's subject to error. With FP+, we are trying to understand how millions of people will behave using the new system.
Right now, guest behavior is in a state of flux. I would not put too much weight in current Standby line patterns. We need to wait until FP+ is fully rolled and all guests have altered their touring behaviors accordingly.
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Discussion is a two-way street. A fact lost on him....
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
I think you have your wires crossed. I doubt I called you stupid you are too much of an to qualify for that lenient a comment. But you definitely are someone who just loves being the victim.
As I said you and Nob End just dismiss comments of genuine concerns, that is noted neither of you begin to answer because its all speculation. God you both love that word. But its just another way of saying you havent a clue what you are talking about. Which funnily enough is why folk take issue with the dismissive and condescending nature of your posts.
WDWDad13
Well-Known Member
For PotC and HM, FP+ was added to these attractions. These attractions previously did not have FP. "Before" and "after" numbers will give us an idea of how these attractions were impacted by FP+.
FP+ shifts wait time from the express to the standby line. With FP+, guests in these newly created Standby lines should end up waiting longer.
Conversely, attractions that previously had FP should be impacted only slightly by FP+.
The goal of FP+ is to get guests to preplan their trips around their FP+ selections. As such, FP+ might (I'm just guessing) have a higher redemption rate than FP. That means potentially more guests in FP+ lines.
Conversely, if there aren't FP super-users (like me) getting 8-to-10 FP per day, is that going to more evenly distribute ride capacity?
Gone are my days of riding RnRC 3 or 4 times a day, each time with FP.
Are there enough like me that our changed behaviors will help Standby lines?
As I've suggested before, it's difficult to be sure exactly how FP+ ultimately will impact Standby lines because FP+ is designed to alter guest behavior. It really depends on which groups of guests dominate the system, and which groups of guests' behaviors are most modified.
It can be modeled but, like any model, it's subject to error. With FP+, we are trying to understand how millions of people will behave using the new system.
Right now, guest behavior is in a state of flux. I would not put too much weight in current Standby line patterns. We need to wait until FP+ is fully rolled and and guests have altered their touring behaviors accordingly.
If people are going to ride a certain ride then does it really matter if they are in the fastpass line at 10am or the standby line at 11....the averages will come out to the same either way....a line is a line and rides allow the same amount of riders per hour regardless
WDWDad13
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That's a bit if a stretch don't ya think? Haha
Nubs70
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Why such rash speculation??? Now we need to wait for more data. I'm sure there are data sets pre FP+, FP/FP+ transition, post FP+.
The RSR FP line starts at Carthay...just past the turnstiles...
ParentsOf4
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Lines remain the same if demand remains the same.
What I am suggesting is that FP+ is designed to alter behavior. As such, demand might increase or decrease.
A family of 4 might have completely skipped Peter Pan if there was a 60-minute Standby line wait time. Now, with FP+, they might have a guaranteed time that they've scheduled their day around.
Me, I often was able to get 2 FP per day for Peter Pan. Now that I'm limited to one per day, I'm only going to ride it once.
Someone might have shown up at TSM at 10 AM and gotten an 8 PM FP return time. Are they really going to still be in the park 10 hours later to use it?
Conversely, if someone went online and got an 8 PM FP+ selection for TSM, are they going to change their plans so that they are at TSM at 8 PM?
FP+ alters behavior. The question is: which changed behaviors will have the most influence on the system as a whole?
It's a bit like trying to predict the weather. It can be done but there are a lot of variables that make predictions difficult.
Nubs70
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Seriously, what do you think happens in strategic planning sessions? People get together and talk through an idea or issue. Experts are brought in to flesh out and/or debunk ideas. I postulate the same thing happens here.
WDWDad13
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It's pointless right....if you add another line (FP) into another line (standby) of course the standby line will then become longer at times....this isn't rocket science
What people are failing to see is that regardless of what line they are in, the same amount of people will ride per hour as before. Some could wait a little longer in standby lines and the same people could go through other lines quicker using FP so I'm not sure why we are trying to study this and come to some miraculous conclusion
WDWDad13
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Nubs70
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That is your hypothesis. Now we need data to prove or disprove your hypothesis along with appropriate descriptive statistics..
drew81
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Kind of how Celebration Place banks on their social media team being able to convince people of the benefits of MM+.
kittybubbles
Active Member
Aren't the 'new' card readers just for in house transactions (bands/KTTW cards)? Don't they still use registers to swipe credit cards? I guess what I am getting at is I do not think anyone would help 'sponsor' the new RFID readers at the stores.
I know Disney waits until you reach your limit/end your stay before they process your room/account charges. I assume this results in less fees by having one large transaction as opposed to several small transactions.
I assume this means Disney might not have to update the system as long as they do not change their systems, it is not like they have to keep up on industry standards for credit cards. The downside (in my mind) is these readers would not be compatible with credit cards that have chips or smart phones that use NFC technology (which I assume they could defer cost on w/ some sponsorship).
I know Disney waits until you reach your limit/end your stay before they process your room/account charges. I assume this results in less fees by having one large transaction as opposed to several small transactions.
I assume this means Disney might not have to update the system as long as they do not change their systems, it is not like they have to keep up on industry standards for credit cards. The downside (in my mind) is these readers would not be compatible with credit cards that have chips or smart phones that use NFC technology (which I assume they could defer cost on w/ some sponsorship).
Nubs70
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I think WDW would be wise to watch some of the information here as kind of a crowd sourced strategic asset.Again another stretch here lol
I know what you're saying
They do more than merely watch....