Marvel teases a Journey into Imagination comic

Matt_Black

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For those old school comic book fans, I smell a Dreamfinder/Figment, Kitty Pryde/Lockheed crossover.

Yeah, that was my favorite part of the interview with the writer, when he started teasing all that stuff. Maybe it's the comic fan in me, or maybe I played too much Kingdom Hearts, but the idea of Disney/ Marvel/ Star Wars crossovers makes me as giddy as a... very giddy person.

Oh, snap, now that I thought of it, there have been rumors of park attractions showing up as worlds in KH3; how awesome would it be for Sora, Donald and Goofy to meet Figment?
 

MissAlmyra

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I'm really liking the sound of this, and that John Tyler Christopher cover is gorgeous! The Disney Kingdoms comic books are a nice idea; they can easily cater to both casual and more "hardcore" Disney fans.
@Matt_Black I'm also hoping for some parks stuff to show up in KH3!
 

Timekeeper

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Matt_Black

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I think this is just Disney making money off a character they know has a following.

It has a following with dedicated park people. If they wanted to use a park property that's going to appeal to a broader base, they would have gone for something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain.
 

FigmentJedi

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It has a following with dedicated park people. If they wanted to use a park property that's going to appeal to a broader base, they would have gone for something like Space Mountain or Big Thunder Mountain.
Space Mountain as a graphic novel is actually coming in a few months, separate from the Disney Kingdoms line and being done in-house at Disney's comics division.
 

FigmentJedi

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Writer Jim Zub has been compiling interviews and articles on the announcement here:
http://www.jimzub.com/disney-kingdoms-figment-arrives-in-june/

The one at Comic Book Resources gives a little more insight into the story.
The attraction got a redesign in the early 2000s to reflect more of a university vibe. As a professor yourself, were you able to use any of that experience to help develop Dreamfinder a little more?

[Laughs] That's an interesting question, actually. The core of our story actually starts in a bit of an unexpected place. It begins in London, England in 1910. The gentleman who will one day be Dreamfinder is this inventor and he's at -- it's sort of a school/research academy called Scientifica Lucida. He's a member of this academy and putting out these wild ideas. They're trying to build up their scientific research and trying to tap into the new technology of the day. He's going off in wild directions and he's got bigger dreams and bigger imaginative creations that he wants to pursue, and the school isn't quite sure what to do with him.

I think there's an element of the innovators versus the establishment that finds its way into the story, and that true creativity can come from many different paths -- it's not just something that can be controlled in many ways. There is a school element to it, but it's not necessarily the school that shows up in the modern "Journey Into Imagination" attraction.

Dreamfinder being a contemporary of Mary Poppins and Peter Pan bodes pretty well for him to become that more magical being we know in the ride.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I wonder whether this comic was originally intended as a tie in to the now shelved 4.0 redo of the ride. A kind of preview of things to come while the ride was closed for its overhaul. As WDW1974 stated a few months ago, the ride was originally planned to close back in January for an extensive period of time while the inside was completely overhauled for an entirely new version of the ride (along with an apparent removal of Captain EO). The existence of such plans were further teased by the D23 Imagination tribute put together by Tony Baxter. And it was hinted here again that Dreamfinder would be returning for the new ride in some form.

That plan has since been canceled seemingly because the garbage nextgen project has become even more of a financial disaster for them than we initially thought. With its out of control budget having now surpassing 2 billion dollars (2.5 billion according to @marni1971, i'm also guessing it's far from finished rising), Iger and his gang of bean counters who thought this up are now clearly in full on panic mode due to both the budget and the fact that the project isn't providing any sort of acceptable ROI like they pitched to the board of directors (this much is obvious due to his refusal to answer the questions in a recent financial interview). So there's stuff already being cut this year in their desperate attempts to cover their butts. Along with the Festival of Fantasy budget slash (and now worries that Voices of Liberty might be in danger), it sounds like Imagination 4.0 was another cut.

So i'm wondering if the comic was originally planned last year as a preview of the 4.0 redo. If so, when the redo was canned they probably just decided to go ahead and release the comic as there were probably already some elements written for it. Writing a comic wouldn't require anywhere close to the amount of money up front compared to building a ride. As such, there's probably no intention of redoing the ride even if the comic does really well. I see little reason to hope that this could mean anything for the ride. For Disney, it's probably just the equivalent of selling nostalgic t-shirts of old EPCOT rides- more money for Disney as they milk the money out of nostalgic fans while laughing their heads off at people thinking this means anything for the ride. Would love to be wrong, the current Imagination ride is an absolute embarrassing abomination. They're also certainly aware of how incredibly unpopular and desolate the ride consistently is, with or without the comic to tell them how popular Dreamfinder is.
 

Figments Friend

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I find this particular quote from the writers interview in the press release posted earlier rather interesting :

*...... The core of our story actually starts in a bit of an unexpected place. It begins in London, England in 1910. The gentleman who will one day be Dreamfinder is this inventor and he's at -- it's sort of a school/research academy called Scientifica Lucida. He's a member of this academy and putting out these wild ideas. They're trying to build up their scientific research and trying to tap into the new technology of the day. He's going off in wild directions and he's got bigger dreams and bigger imaginative creations that he wants to pursue, and the school isn't quite sure what to do with him.*

This gives me the impression that the writers have indeed explored the *past history* of the Dreamfinder character and may well have done their homework.
Anyone who has a smattering of understanding of the Professor Marvel concept(s) that were being developed as part of the fabled mid-1970s *Discovery Bay* project for Disneyland will find the above paragraph somewhat familiar.

The press statement says that WDI is involved in this as well, which i am only guessing means they are helping with archival reference materials to aid the writers and artists in providing a source for placement of the stories.

I wonder if Tony Baxter is consulting on this in any way?
He certainly is closely in tune with these characters and concepts, and they mean a great deal to him on a personal level.

This will indeed be interesting.


Regarding the steampunk elements...
The Original Attraction was loaded with such references, so it is a given that this style should be present in the comic as well.
Not just the iconic DreamCatcher vehicle, but also many design elements present in the decor.
The Imaginometer, which was a showpiece of The Dreamport segment of the ride, is the perfect example :

This photo is of the small model built at WED/WDI during the period when it, and the rest of the Attraction, was being designed.
Beautiful...but the full scale version was even more impressive to see in person.





It will indeed be interesting to see how the comic series presents these characters and that concept from all those years ago.
It is timeless, as i have talked about in various other JII related threads.
Quite nice to see this beloved duo getting more attention.

Not overly keen on the title of the series...*FIGMENT*.
This is the best they could come up with ?
For a story that is mostly about Dreamfinder and his little purple buddy...it would think a more exciting, adventurous title would be a better choice.
Why not *The Journey Into Imagination*...or along those lines?
Why just ONE character...?
Marketing advice/potential..? Probably...



Here*s a thought to consider....

Perhaps at some point, if the story shows promise, we might see a feature film based on these characters at some point?
Yet another *Marvel comic that becomes a film..*...?
How utterly amazing would THAT be.

Today it would be the right cinematic environment to release such a imaginative adventure film...with some kick *** original design elements to reference from, to boot!
Just take a look at the past few years big film releases - there is definitely a market.
A modern, fantasy adventure....with all the bells and whistles.
IMAX 3D...yeah....now you are talking.

But i digress....

Having a great, truly imaginative experience in the Imagination Pavilion at EPCOT would be best of all, of course.
 
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tirian

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I'm so confused why people in this thread are going "OMG STEAMPUNK!". The original ride had the steampunk aesthetic long before the term was even coined. The ride actually spun out of unused concepts for a fantasy victorian themed land at Disneyland.

It's not some new influence that Marvel is adding.

You're right. I'd even argue that Disney created steampunk with the 20K movie and attraction, not to mention Imagination at Epcot and Mysterious Island at TDS.

Edit: plus Discoveryland in Paris.
 
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NowInc

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Although I would love to see this as a doorway into a revamp of the crap-tastic ride we currently have...I am sadly brought into reality by one fact: This is a 5 issue comic (I think? correct me if im wrong). It would have to be substantially popular AND make a lot of money for them to even consider pushing it into a ride.

But hey...I'd love it.
 

Captain Neo

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Honestly if Marvel wants to do right by the fans they should consult Tony Baxter and Steve Kirk and even have a chat with our very own Martin Smith (at a minimum watch his outstanding and comprehensive tribute video to the original attraction on youtube) so they can understand what made the original characters so memorable and beloved.
 

Matt_Black

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Honestly if Marvel wants to do right by the fans they should consult Tony Baxter and Steve Kirk and even have a chat with our very own Martin Smith (at a minimum watch his outstanding and comprehensive tribute video to the original attraction on youtube) so they can understand what made the original characters so memorable and beloved.

Well, according to the interview I mentioned earlier, the creative team has been consulting with many of the Imagineers. Whether or not that includes Baxter and Kirk remains to be seen. But they are doing research and not just pulling stuff out of their backsides.
 

Figment82

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I'm so confused why people in this thread are going "OMG STEAMPUNK!". The original ride had the steampunk aesthetic long before the term was even coined. The ride actually spun out of unused concepts for a fantasy victorian themed land at Disneyland.

It's not some new influence that Marvel is adding.

I know you didn't direct your comment solely at me, but I did say that I liked the steampunk look in the comic so I thought I'd clarify...

To me, the original attraction goes beyond what we all call "steampunk" today. It's softer, more fanciful, more colorful, more hodgepodge. It lent itself into allowing the audience to pull in their own experiences and thoughts, which is why it was executed so perfectly, IMO. It wasn't built from one style, although it certainly had many influences from the Victorian age.

What I like about this comic, at least what we've seen from the one image and in the interviews, is that it's giving more of a place and time. The artwork is a little grungier, Victorian, more monochromatic bronze. I like the idea of exploring Dreamfinder's origin, and how his past experiences influenced what we saw in JII - seemingly softening that harder, industrial-looking vibe that the comic is teasing.

Or maybe I'm over-analyzing it... Either way, I'm excited and curious about this comic series.
 

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