just back, etiquette questions

[Dave Disney]

Completely disagree. It's fine that you think Disney is for kids first, but many people go without kids. And should not be made to feel as though they need to ensure the happiness of other peoples kids.

I hope you're not saying it's okay for a couple of adults to yell at a little girl who just wants to watch a Disney World fireworks show! That's ridiculous and if it was my kid I'd have something to say to those adults.

It has nothing to do with "needing to ensure the happiness of other peoples kids" It has to do with being a decent person and not ruining the magic for a little girl or boy. You need to adopt a "What would Walt do" attitude in these situations...

 

[Evil Genius]

As many as it took.

If I knew the bus would be an issue I would take my own car.

Personal accountability.

It's an amazing concept.

Not for nothing...but sometimes...you're halfway on the bus with your family on tow before you realize...no more seats! If you can visually tell from the waiting areas that a bus is already full...of course wait for another if you feel your kids need a seat...but it isn't always that cut and dry.

Using the old "accountability" schtick just doesn't fly with me.

Besides...with the abrupt stops those busses are known to sometimes make...people get jostled around...I can't count the number of times I've seen small kids standing on a bus that almost got crushed under a larger person falling backwards or forwards into them.

 

[Flower'sChild]

To answer the 1st question, yes. You are.

Leaving a park at the end of the night, every bus is going to be crowded. No way to "plan" around that. Maybe the parents should tell the kids "Sorry - We're skipping the fireworks tonight because we don't want to risk you having to stand on a bus." How long should they wait? My guess is, they get in line with everyone else, and just get on the bus when they can.

I honestly can't believe this conversation is taking place. I guess we now know that some of those people that get talked about in Disney are members of this board.

At night time after the parks have closed I have seen parents with children wait in a line like everyone else for their bus. When they can get on the bus if there are no seats these parents will let others behind them get on that bus. These parents will wait for the next bus and they will be like the first (or one of the first) in line for the next bus and this way they will for sure have a seat. I don't have children but if it's my turn to get on the bus and all the seats are taken many times I will also let people behind me get on that bus. This way I can also be one of the first ones in line for the next bus and I can for sure get a seat on the next bus.

 

[happymom52003]

According to some here you were the one in the wrong.

Yes you planned ahead and acted responsibly but you still should have stepped aside and let those kids with failures for parents jump ahead and take your spot.

After all...."it's for the children!"

:ROFLOL:

Trying to steal spots for parades and shows is a totally different topic than giving up your seat on a bus for someone who needs it. I don't think anyone on here would say I was in the wrong, unless they are the type of people that try to steal parade spots at the last minute.

 

[captainkidd]

I can't count the number of times I've seen small kids standing on a bus that almost got crushed under a larger person falling backwards or forwards into them.

I think the response you will get from this poster is "Who cares?"

 

[wm49rs]

Not for nothing...but sometimes...you're halfway on the bus with your family on tow before you realize...no more seats! If you can visually tell from the waiting areas that a bus is already full...of course wait for another if you feel your kids need a seat...but it isn't always that cut and dry.

Come, come now, they should have planned better! Because after all, when a bus with tinted windows is pulling up at speed to a packed loading area, the first thing people should do is take an immediate head count. Anything else is failing to plan.....:brick:

 

[goofykt]

just wanted some opinions on a couple of incidents from our trip last week.
1.) wife asked a couple sitting on a planter wall (in Liberty Square just down from the Hall of Presidents) if they were saving the spots in front of them for anyone for the upcoming parade, the man (with an attitude!) explained that they would put up post and rope to mark parade route and no one would be allowed to sit there. she of course knew he was wrong, she said "so then you're not saving it for anyone then" he then said no, they were hoping for a "front row seat". my wife sat down with our kids. they then began signing to each other (seemingly to talk about us) and giving our family those kind of looks even though my wife sat with our 3 children on the ground in front of them with enough space that later another row of people sat behind us and in front of them. to me, it us unbelivable that someone would think they could claim all of the space in front of their spot like that.
2.) bus etiquette, crowded bus going back to bus on hot afternoon. as we go toward back of bus, bus spiel over speakers is saying "please make room for elderly, small children, etc" we have 3 kids, DD 6, twin DS 4. seats are already taken. no one offers a seat. our kids are trying to hold on to rail and legs. my wife looks at me and says "i am soooooo aggravated" a woman realized our situation and offers her seat and so does a guy. but amazingly a college age looking guy (sitting between what appears to be his parents) completely ignores the kids as does his father. i know sometimes when you get on the bus you're so tired you don't notice others but when you see a woman offer her seat you would think a young man would move to help also. not only did he not offer the lady her seat, he also never offered for one of our kids (two of which were sharing the ladies seat). we went numerous times before we had kids, so if i ever did that to someone i apologize (although i dont think i did, my wife would kick me in the behind for that) but it just amazes me how some men will just ignore women standing like that (much less children). i ended up facing the back of the bus and the father of the college boy never made eye contact the entire ride. he looked everywhere else on the bus, out the windows, etc but never looked at me or my wife who still had to stand.
i live in a small rural area town so i am not used to crowded situations. am i being unreasonable here or am i right and the people just refused to live up to courteous standards?
luckily these were the only things i could find wrong with our trip. had a great trip otherwise!!!!!
mikewdw

Just to restore your hope in the younger generations, my husband and I are both 26 and we ALWAYS give our seats to pregnant women, small children, parents holding children, or the elderly. It's sad but true that most people our age are rather selfish and generally indifferent to any one other than themselves. I've been on the bus at night when several parents have gotten on and have been forced to stand while trying to hold a small sleeping child. We always give our seats up, but other people will keep sitting there and let the remaining parents stand (and then they'll actually have the nerve of getting annoyed when these parents lose their balance and bump or stumble into them) I can't imagine trying to hold onto a railing with one hand, a kid with the other, all while being physically exhausted yourself. My husband and I frequently get frustrated with the lack of manners other people our age have, and how bad it makes ALL of us look. My husband is a manager at a huge metropolitan fitness center, and I can't tell you how many times he's had employees openly texting while he's talking during a meeting, sleeping at their desks, or being openly rude to gym members. It's a sad state of affairs...but know there are some good ones still out there that care about other people

 

[Zip-a-Dee Do Da]

Gosh, I can't believe how big of a deal this thread has become! ha ha.

I guess to me it's not really even something I have to think about, justify, or specify age/gender/condition etc.

As a young female, this is how I was raised: I look at our trips to Disney as an opportunity to sort of "swim around" in random acts of kindness. I think today we are loosing the human bonds that connect us all and obligate us all to look out for one another. Sorry, I don't think the "it takes a village to raise a child" is crap. I think the buses at Disney are just one, little place where you can do something nice for someone; to make the other person, yourself, and everyone around you feel sort of warm to know that people still care.

We all know when we can help someone out, so let's just do it~!

Oh, and P.S. I would not be insulted for a man to offer me his seat. Would I take it? Maybe, maybe not, but it would be flattering to know that sort of chivalry and character still exists for people.

 

[wm49rs]

I think the response you will get from this poster is "Who cares?"

The facts do appear to be a form of kryptonite to him.....

 

[The Empress Lilly]

just wanted some opinions

1.) it us unbelivable that someone would think they could claim all of the space in front of their spot like that.

2.) bus etiquette, crowded bus going back to bus on hot afternoon. as we go toward back of bus, bus spiel over speakers is saying "please make room for elderly, small children, etc" we have 3 kids, DD 6, twin DS 4. seats are already taken. no one offers a seat.

1 - I think these people were very rude. Disney is a crowded place. One can not take a comfortable seat in the back and expect all the space in front to remain empty.

2 - I do not give up my seat for children.
Except for very small children, who are carried. Or when children run the risk of being 'trampled' in a too crowded bus, or when they can't hold themselves on to something. Otherwise - nope, children are quite sturdy. If they are too tired to stand, they should've been at home already.

On a slightly related issue, if I'm standing front row, any small children that wouldn't block my view can stand in front of me.

 

[SleepingMonk]

Right. Even though the buses only run for so long after the parks close. But, I'm sure you'd simply wait until the very end, just to have the bus all to yourself...:brick:

You don't need it all to yourself, you just need enough to seat your party. Melodrama isn't helping your case.

What about those people without a car?

It's called a rental. Look it up.

Quite frankly, this is more about personal sanctimony than it is personal responsibility...

Indeed it is. Just not on my part.

And again, how many people have actually asked you to give up your seat?

As I said before I will gladly stand so that an elderly person or a lady may sit. They never have to ask because I volunteer. A kid is afforded no such privilege. Deal with it.

 

[devoy1701]

At lot of times when I can see that all the bus seats are taken I will just wait for the next bus. When I get a seat on the bus I never give it up to anyone just because they are a child or a woman or a man.

Exactly.

Everyone is waiting for a bus just as long as everyone else out there is. Just because a person has a family does not make them more entitled to a seat than I am.

If you really want to sit that badly, wait for the next bus. If the bus is filling up, when you get to the front of the line, let a few groups in front of you so you can be in the front for the next bus.

That being said...my girlfriend (soon to be fiance) and I do give up seats to people in need. If someone is holding a baby, trying to juggle around a collapsed stroller and a couple kids, or is holding a sleeping child after a long day at the parks, I would give up my seat(s) to them. I would also give up a seat to an elder person or someone who I can physically tell will have trouble standing.

But I'm not a mind reader...I can't tell if someone has scoliosis or some back/leg/body problem that makes it hard to stand (one of my best friends has major back issues but you can't tell from looking at her). I'm not going to give up my seat and stand just because you look 32 and I'm 22. :shrug:

And it's not because I'm "of the younger generation and I don't have ettiquette." It's because too many people in this country feel entitled to certain things over others.

And personally I think it's rude when a little kid is taking up a seat on a very crowded bus or monorail. If they're small enough to sit on a parents lap then by all means they should!

 

[wm49rs]

You don't need it all to yourself, you just need enough to seat your party. Melodrama isn't helping your case.

Actually I wouldn't need it to myself because I'd be willing to work with others. Seated or otherwise....

It's called a rental. Look it up.

Well, yet again, you seem to overlook the facts, such as that there are a vast number of people who visit the parks based upon their transportation assets. They fly in, ride the ME, and then use the bus/monorail/boat transportation around the parks. But, don't let those minor details get in your way.

Indeed it is. Just not on my part.

In this instance, yeah it pretty much is....


As I said before I will gladly stand so that an elderly person or a lady may sit. They never have to ask because I volunteer. A kid is afforded no such privilege. Deal with it.

Somehow, I highly doubt you'd give up your seat for anyone. After all, they should have planned better.....

:brick:

 

[SleepingMonk]

:brick:

Why do I get the feeling you're the type who arrives at a movie ten minutes late and expects everyone to shift a row so your entire party can sit together?

 

[captainkidd]

A kid is afforded no such privilege. Deal with it.

I wonder - Would your attitude change if you saw a 5 year old child standing on a bus, didn't give your seat up to them, then the bus slammed on the breaks and the kid fell over and got hurt?

Or would you just throw your hands up in the air and say "Oh well - Maybe next time, the parents will plan better."

 

[SleepingMonk]

....otherwise - nope, children are quite sturdy. If they are too tired to stand, they should've been at home already..

Oh the horror!!!

 

[wm49rs]

Why do I get the feeling you're the type who arrives at a movie ten minutes late and expects everyone to shift a row so your entire party can sit together?

Yeah, because that really relates to the topic at hand....

Try again....

 

[captainkidd]

Why do I get the feeling you're the type who arrives at a movie ten minutes late and expects everyone to shift a row so your entire party can sit together?

Can't speak for the poster, but I'm the exact opposite. If someone shows up to a movie late, where they sit (or don't sit) is their own problem. How you relate that to using some common courtesy and common sense towards a child is a bit lost on me.

 

[SleepingMonk]

I wonder - Would your attitude change if you saw a 5 year old child standing on a bus, didn't give your seat up to them, then the bus slammed on the breaks and the kid fell over and got hurt?

Or would you just throw your hands up in the air and say "Oh well - Maybe next time, the parents will plan better."

Them breaks is tricky!

Brakes on the other hand....




And it would be option "B".

The custody and care of a child is the responsibility of the parent.

 

[fractal]

Children have a lower center of gravity and much better balance than a taller, heavier adult. I don't understand why a 7 year old needs to be given a seat vs. standing for 10-15minutes on a bus.

Some children are too small to stand and that is when I'll offer my seat to the mother so she can sit w/ child on her lap.