Horizons 94 question?

[Thrill Seeker]

Not flaming at all...It was a respectful, well thought, and calm post. I wish there were more of you.


However, I disagree. :lol:


I think Horizons and WoM and SSE, are PERFECTLY aligned with PPF or POTC or HM. It was EPCOT Center's classic. It was the ride that defined the park, it was what the legacy of today's Epcot came from. I know the parks are never supposed to become museums, but you have to regrard the classics, those first rides, with care. Keep them intact, update them, make them relevant, but don't kill them. Killing them is akin to ripping out POTC in 1980. :lol:

World of Motion was a good ride, but I'm perfectly happy with Test Track. That to me is the E-ticket that Epcot needed to draw in huge crowds. Horizons I do agree was the heart and soul of Epcot and should have remained in it's place. All it needed was a drastic refurb and new tech. I like Mission: Space, but Horizons was a much better attraction in my opinion and it suited the heart of Epcot better.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

World of Motion was a good ride, but I'm perfectly happy with Test Track. That to me is the E-ticket that Epcot needed to draw in huge crowds. Horizons I do agree was the heart and soul of Epcot and should have remained in it's place. All it needed was a drastic refurb and new tech. I like Mission: Space, but Horizons was a much better attraction in my opinion and it suited the heart of Epcot better.

I agree that EPCOT needed a E Ticket Thrill by the time 1997 was here.


But I don't think that TT is a good ride for EPCOT, nor do I think that it needed to take out WoM. TT has no semblance of being futuristic, or even scientific...it's all industry, really. Though, since it was needed, they could have easily built a "soundstage" behind WoM to house the main part of the ride, maintaining the loop around WoM, and the ride inside of it.

 

[IWant2GoNow]

Are there any notions/ideas/talkings/artwork/rumors/brainstorming that has ever gone on about constructing an entirely NEW Horizons attraction? Doubtful, but thought I'd ask. :shrug:

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

Are there any notions/ideas/talkings/artwork/rumors/brainstorming that has ever gone on about constructing an entirely NEW Horizons attraction? Doubtful, but thought I'd ask. :shrug:

When they were building Disneyland Paris, there was a plan to instal a second Horizons in a HUGE building called Discovery Mountain.


...That never happened, and we got Space Mountain and the Jules Verne 20K Walk Through. :lol:

 

[IWant2GoNow]

When they were building Disneyland Paris, there was a plan to instal a second Horizons in a HUGE building called Discovery Mountain.


...That never happened, and we got Space Mountain and the Jules Verne 20K Walk Through. :lol:

But nothing at Epcot, huh? Sad... I think if they're not going to use WoL for anything else they should bulldoze it and rebuild a Horizons 2.0. But this site's filled with enough "I think"s as it is. :lol: It would be nice to see what they would come up with for a new version if they ever recreate it.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

How so?

Because Mission: SPACE is set on a fixed date in the relative near future, as we catch up to that time it will become more and more obvious that that's not how the future is turning out. Horizons, even though they mention the 21st Century, has the impression of being set at a more vague, nebulous, unspecified time in the future. Much easier to update, in my estimation.

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

I just wanted to refine my above thought further by adding that Horizons was more about the promise and possibilities of the future, rather than laying it all out and saying 'THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT WILL BE!' Provides a lot more wiggle room to play with than the fixed, fictional future history of the Space pavilion we ended up with. Ideally, they would have built Space much like Horizons and the other pavilions, showcasing the promise and possibilities of its topic.

 

[misterID]

^^ Great post(s) Mr. EPCOT

When they were building Disneyland Paris, there was a plan to instal a second Horizons in a HUGE building called Discovery Mountain.


...That never happened, and we got Space Mountain and the Jules Verne 20K Walk Through. :lol:

But nothing at Epcot, huh? Sad... I think if they're not going to use WoL for anything else they should bulldoze it and rebuild a Horizons 2.0. But this site's filled with enough "I think"s as it is. :lol: It would be nice to see what they would come up with for a new version if they ever recreate it.

I still think the Horizons/Space Mountain Mission 2 pavillion would fit perfectly in EPCOT right where WOL is. It would actually bring some future to FW.

 

[Thrill Seeker]

But nothing at Epcot, huh? Sad... I think if they're not going to use WoL for anything else they should bulldoze it and rebuild a Horizons 2.0. But this site's filled with enough "I think"s as it is. :lol: It would be nice to see what they would come up with for a new version if they ever recreate it.

That won't happen. I'd love to see it, but it won't happen.

Honestly, I still think a new body pavilion or a weather pavilion would be good replacements for WoL, but still nothing has been announced... One part of why nothing has happened there yet is because it is still being used for backstage purposes... Not the main pavilion mind you, but that might be part of why a new pavilion concept hasn't been talked about yet for WoL.

Honestly, a weather themed roller coaster would be an amazing new E ticket for Epcot...

 

[misterID]

Why would they need a weather pavillion, though? They could really just use Storm Rider, put it in the land or one of the innovention buildings. I don't see that being a theme essential to EPCOT. Especially to make a pavillion about.

 

[marni1971]

The difference is that SSE has walkways throughout the attraction that people can walk through easily. Horizons didn't, so a CM had to evac guests using some kind of platform that had to be taken to each individual vehicle, throughout the ride.

Wrong. Each Horizons car had a door in the back which opened (if you like the rear seatrest) directly onto a walkway that ran behind each car. The walkway was as flush with the cars as an unload platform.

You wanna get hard to evac, look at an EMV.

 

[JWG]

My issues with Mission Space are simply that it lacks (in my mind as many will disagree) the elements of a Disney attraction.

It's not a "pavilion" - it's a thrill ride. You don't get immersed into the story upon entering (the queue is vaguely a pre-show for the ride). There's nothing else to spend time doing while there. It's a mission to Mars where you never actually get to Mars (yes simulated, I understand).

There is no post-show. You're dumped into a room to play a mass computer game, sent through the gift shop and back into Florida heat.

I think the technology and the attraction itself is amazing and could be something great as part of a larger space pavilion.

I largely feel the same way about Test Track. Not a pavilion.

Just a thought, not worth debating as there's probably a 50-50 split on these discussions.

 

[misterID]

My issues with Mission Space are simply that it lacks (in my mind as many will disagree) the elements of a Disney attraction.

It's not a "pavilion" - it's a thrill ride. You don't get immersed into the story upon entering (the queue is vaguely a pre-show for the ride). There's nothing else to spend time doing while there. It's a mission to Mars where you never actually get to Mars (yes simulated, I understand).

There is no post-show. You're dumped into a room to play a mass computer game, sent through the gift shop and back into Florida heat.

I think the technology and the attraction itself is amazing and could be something great as part of a larger space pavilion.

I largely feel the same way about Test Track. Not a pavilion.

Just a thought, not worth debating as there's probably a 50-50 split on these discussions.

No, no debate. You're pretty much 100% right

 

[Horizons1]

I just wanted to refine my above thought further by adding that Horizons was more about the promise and possibilities of the future, rather than laying it all out and saying 'THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT WILL BE!' Provides a lot more wiggle room to play with than the fixed, fictional future history of the Space pavilion we ended up with. Ideally, they would have built Space much like Horizons and the other pavilions, showcasing the promise and possibilities of its topic.

Suppose it's in the eye of the beholder. I've never gotten the impression from Mission: SPACE that this is a future that WILL be. It's a future that's certainly possible in space flight, but I don't recall being told anywhere in the attraction that this WILL be what space flight is like in the future. As for the year MS takes place in, a new sign with a new date could be placed upon the wall, therefore solving the problem. The year the ride takes place in is not mentioned anywhere but on the wall (and a plaque outside?), so it's an easy fix. MS will not be outdated in a few years. 20 years, yes, but it will probably be gone by then.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

^^ Great post(s) Mr. EPCOT





I still think the Horizons/Space Mountain Mission 2 pavillion would fit perfectly in EPCOT right where WOL is. It would actually bring some future to FW.

Horizons in SPACE would have been a awesome thing.

My issues with Mission Space are simply that it lacks (in my mind as many will disagree) the elements of a Disney attraction.

It's not a "pavilion" - it's a thrill ride. You don't get immersed into the story upon entering (the queue is vaguely a pre-show for the ride). There's nothing else to spend time doing while there. It's a mission to Mars where you never actually get to Mars (yes simulated, I understand).

There is no post-show. You're dumped into a room to play a mass computer game, sent through the gift shop and back into Florida heat.

I think the technology and the attraction itself is amazing and could be something great as part of a larger space pavilion.

I largely feel the same way about Test Track. Not a pavilion.

Just a thought, not worth debating as there's probably a 50-50 split on these discussions.

Though I agree in the fact that M:S is NOT a Pavilion, but a solitary ride, I do have to say that the storyline, and the details in the queue/preshow are convincing. I think it's very well done, and that it is immersive.

 

[SirGoofy]

I see everyone's hating on M:S again.

Sorry, Horizon-heads, but M:S is a GREAT attraction that fits in Epcot. Cry about it all you want, but it is. I loved Horizons, but I realize how great and technologically advanced M:S truly is, and I would not trade it for Horizons.

That being said, the concept art for the Space pavilion that's plastered basically every where backstage in Future World east is amazing, and that should have been built.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I see everyone's hating on M:S again.

Sorry, Horizon-heads, but M:S is a GREAT attraction that fits in Epcot. Cry about it all you want, but it is. I loved Horizons, but I realize how great and technologically advanced M:S truly is, and I would not trade it for Horizons.

That being said, the concept art for the Space pavilion that's plastered basically every where backstage in Future World east is amazing, and that should have been built.

We need to see this art. :lol:


...and I agree for the most part, even though I LOVED Horizons, a lot. But M:S is a great pavilion for EPCOT- a modern EPCOT.

 

[Figment632]

I see everyone's hating on M:S again.

Sorry, Horizon-heads, but M:S is a GREAT attraction that fits in Epcot. Cry about it all you want, but it is. I loved Horizons, but I realize how great and technologically advanced M:S truly is, and I would not trade it for Horizons.

That being said, the concept art for the Space pavilion that's plastered basically every where backstage in Future World east is amazing, and that should have been built.

IMO it is far from a great attraction, it is a good attraction. You really can't compare it to Horizons because Horizons was one of if not the most immersive and massive E-tic in history. MS is good but doesn't come close in scale or the immersive feel that Horizons gave.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

IMO it is far from a great attraction, it is a good attraction. You really can't compare it to Horizons because Horizons was one of if not the most immersive and massive E-tic in history. MS is good but doesn't come close in scale or the immersive feel that Horizons gave.

:shrug: Horizons wasn't a pavilion, either. It was a building with a ride. Same as M:S. Both are single.


And for the record, I think M:S queue's and preshow vids are perfect. Very immersive.

 

[Figment632]

:shrug: Horizons wasn't a pavilion, either. It was a building with a ride. Same as M:S. Both are single.


And for the record, I think M:S queue's and preshow vids are perfect. Very immersive.

Well you said it the pre show not the ride. IMO MS dosen't hold a candle to Horizons. ANd people claimed Horizons isn't popular MS never has a wait above 4o minutes. IN that regard MS is a complete joke. The bussiest day of the year New Years eve I was in the park Soarin 360 min wait TT was almost the same MS 5 minutes till noon and the ride never went over 35 on the busiest day of the year.