Hockey, Anyone?

patsfan24

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Of these two teams, as much as I hate to admit it, Detroit is the superior. They have dominated when they played well this series, and have at least been IN the games in which they played terribly. Now whether or not they go out there and do it is up to them.....but this cup is theirs to lose.
 

Missing20K

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Wow.

Do you know who Malkin plays with? Fedotenko and Talbot. a 3rd and 4th liner. Sid plays with guys whom he wanted at the deadline. Believe that. When your the best player in the world 1 guy shouldntbe able to shut you down. I guess Zetterberg made side miss all the empty nets, not score on partial breakaways too?

Malkin is the real deal here dude. He is probably the best player in the NHL today. Detroit dont have 3rd and 4th line players either. Their second line is more powerful than our first line. Their second powerplay is better than our first.

Apparently Zetterberg must suck, and skates around without a stick, cause Crosby should still be able to put in a hattie and two assists every night, right? Not to mention the other 4 top flight players they have on the ice every time Sid is out there.

Malkin is absolutely the real deal, I won't argue that, but he isn't going against Lidstrom and Henrik every shift. Oh, and Fedentenko is a playoff machine, he scores gigantic goals, ala '07 Lightning, scoring the only two goals in a 2-1 game 7 stanley cup final win. And let's not forget the huge goals Max Talbot has put in the last two years. They may not be 40 goal guys, but with Geno up the middle they know how to find the soft spots and put the puck in the net.

Don't forget, matchups make a huge difference. I'm not sure what empty netter you are referring to, but I suppose I'll take your word for it. As far as partial breakaways, only Lemieux scored on every single breakaway. Those days are long gone. What about Geno's missed breakaway in Game 6? Or game 2?

And to say their powerplay is better than ours is just head in the sand type stuff. Look at the stats, look at the players. It's not close. Babcock even thinks Detroits powerplay is a weakness.

Oh, and how many points did Malkin and Crosby have last night?? Oh yeah, none. So I guess Malkin needs to show up too, eh? They are two thirds of the best three players in the world, Malkin leads the league in playoff points, and Crosby has scored more playoff goals than anyone since Sakic in '96. Oh, and Crosby is a plus 9, while Malkin is a plus 2.

And how about that third line of Staal, Cooke, and Kennedy. Yeah they were only plus 2, but Detroits third line is much better than ours. :hammer:

Next thing you'll be complaining about Fleury and yelling "shoot" every time the enter the zone with the puck on their stick.

Sorry, I just couldn't let the Pens bashing continue. And you're from Pittsburgh, which just makes it so sad. Are you even rooting for the Pens to lift Lord Stanley?

First of all Ovechkin is not the best player in the league. He is a cherry picker and a showboating goon. And I don't recall him being the points leader in the NHL - that is Malkin. Secondly Crosby was injured some this year or would have won the scoring race. Third, had the Pens not given up on Therien and played better this year overall, they would have dominated the entire NHL. Fourth, Detroit is not going to have a great team for years to come, they are old, the Pens are not, and that was my point exactly. The Pens glory years are still to come while Detroit is fading. Fifth, Crosby is being double teamed by more than Zetterberg - he's got their best players all over him. Also Detroit's powerplay is NOT better than ours, even their coach says it is their weakness. Our PP was not too good to start the playoffs but we have been converting the last 15 games. I wouldn't ask "How are the Pens still in this thing?" They are in it because they obviously deserve to be. If Detroit were the juggernaut everyone likes to claim they would have won already - they did not, as of yet. Honestly if this series went 100 games, it could be 50-50.
At this point in time no matter who wins the cup I would say the Pens and Detroit are equals with one team happening to pull out that extra win.

Well said. :sohappy:

And as for the topic....Do you know what news station you were watching? Might be able to find it on their website....

And just because
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blackthidot

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In the Parks
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Apparently Zetterberg must suck, and skates around without a stick, cause Crosby should still be able to put in a hattie and two assists every night, right? Not to mention the other 4 top flight players they have on the ice every time Sid is out there.

Malkin is absolutely the real deal, I won't argue that, but he isn't going against Lidstrom and Henrik every shift. Oh, and Fedentenko is a playoff machine, he scores gigantic goals, ala '07 Lightning, scoring the only two goals in a 2-1 game 7 stanley cup final win. And let's not forget the huge goals Max Talbot has put in the last two years. They may not be 40 goal guys, but with Geno up the middle they know how to find the soft spots and put the puck in the net.

Don't forget, matchups make a huge difference. I'm not sure what empty netter you are referring to, but I suppose I'll take your word for it. As far as partial breakaways, only Lemieux scored on every single breakaway. Those days are long gone. What about Geno's missed breakaway in Game 6? Or game 2?

And to say their powerplay is better than ours is just head in the sand type stuff. Look at the stats, look at the players. It's not close. Babcock even thinks Detroits powerplay is a weakness.

Oh, and how many points did Malkin and Crosby have last night?? Oh yeah, none. So I guess Malkin needs to show up too, eh? They are two thirds of the best three players in the world, Malkin leads the league in playoff points, and Crosby has scored more playoff goals than anyone since Sakic in '96. Oh, and Crosby is a plus 9, while Malkin is a plus 2.

And how about that third line of Staal, Cooke, and Kennedy. Yeah they were only plus 2, but Detroits third line is much better than ours. :hammer:

Next thing you'll be complaining about Fleury and yelling "shoot" every time the enter the zone with the puck on their stick.

Sorry, I just couldn't let the Pens bashing continue. And you're from Pittsburgh, which just makes it so sad. Are you even rooting for the Pens to lift Lord Stanley?


Well whats your excuse last night cause Z was on Malkin all night and Malkin STILL set up FedoIcantscoreO...

HE gets 6 chances a game bro. Thats not a machine. He got a few goals at once in a series and now hes a machine? Come on...

Dude Im not bashing Im being realistic. Its something MANY MANY home fans lack.

As far as yelling shoot, dont get your hopes up. I know the game. I play the game. You dont shoot shoot shoot for no reason, or because all the drunk fans are wanting you too. Secondly with the exception of game 5 Fleury has kept us in EVERY game going into the third period. You can only hold off teams like Det for so long. You have to score goals, and Sid, Kunitz, Guerin, Fedotenko, Cooke, Dupuis, Satan, Sykora (again) have all been missing. Thats a fact. It dont matter if Glen Anderson, Tim Kerr, and Jan Errickson were covering him. (Hows that for hockey knowledge dropping those names)

Your acting like Hossa, Franzen, and Helm are no name bums too. They have been assigned mostly to Malkin. And quite frankly all they have to do is worry about MALKIN. Talbot, and Fedotenko aint beating nobody on thier own. Brad Stuart, and Brian Raflaski would be number 1 defenceman here. They are number 2 in Detroit. On Malkin.
 

sublimesting

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Of these two teams, as much as I hate to admit it, Detroit is the superior. They have dominated when they played well this series, and have at least been IN the games in which they played terribly. Now whether or not they go out there and do it is up to them.....but this cup is theirs to lose.


They haven't dominated! Game 1 was up for grabs and we hit the post in the first 2 games 5 times! Had those gone in series is done. Even Babcock said that. They did not dominate game 4. Except for us imploding for some reason (obviously the team drak absinthe) in game 5 it has not been dominating one way or the other.
 

blackthidot

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In the Parks
Yes
That was my whole I dont know how we are still in this point...I mean they just have from top to bottom much better players.
 

patsfan24

Member
They haven't dominated! Game 1 was up for grabs and we hit the post in the first 2 games 5 times! Had those gone in series is done. Even Babcock said that. They did not dominate game 4. Except for us imploding for some reason (obviously the team drak absinthe) in game 5 it has not been dominating one way or the other.

Sorry, dominated was probably the wrong word to use there. What I should have said was controlled. They have controlled the majority of the play this series. Now there have been moments, such as the six or so minute stretch in the 2nd period of game 4 in which the pens scored 3 unanswered goals. I think game 7 is shaping up to be very interesting. If both teams play to their potential, I think Detroit has to have the edge. Pittsburgh's future is much brighter than Detroit's though, with the exception of Jimmy Howard (UMaine alum ;))
 

blackthidot

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In the Parks
Yes
This series should be over. The Penguins should have and could have won both games 1 and 2. They should have lost game 3, won game 4, lost game 5, and won game 6. HOWEVER, when you are the champs a lot of teams say coulda, woulda, shoulda...

I seriously cant watch my team lose the cup again. These guys gotta come out fighting...and EVERYONE needs to support EVERYONE. Fleury aint winning this game alone, nor is Malkin, and certainly not Sidney. The WHOLE team has to show up.
 

Pens24

New Member
The pens would have won game 1 and 2 if the bounces went their way detriot scored all three golas in game one off lucky bounces...it'll be a good game 7 but i think the pens will win 2-1
 

Mikester71

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<snip> Fourth, Detroit is not going to have a great team for years to come, they are old, the Pens are not, and that was my point exactly. The Pens glory years are still to come while Detroit is fading. <snip>

As a life-long Red Wing fan, I actually could agree with most of your post, EXCEPT for this part. Biggest misconception about Detroit the last couple of years is that they are old. They aren't the youngest team in the league by any stretch, but they have GREAT young talent coming up all the time. If you bothered to look at the stat sheets for this here Final, I am sure you would see some names like Darren Helm, Jonathan Ericsson, Justin Abdelkader, just to name a few. They have better stats than alot of the Penguins so-called second line players do. And they are still in their early 20's. Not to mention guys just entering their prime like Stuart, Kronwall, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Franzen, Hudler, etc, etc. Detroit isn't going anywhere my friend.

When the Penguins have been atop the Eastern Conference for a decade or so, come back and we'll talk hockey, more specifically, dynasties! Even if the Pens do win it all this Friday, they have a LONNNNG way to go to even be considered in the same company as Detroit. Don't get me wrong, the Pens are a good team right now, but good luck keeping all your star players under contract in a couple of years. We'll see how many of them decide to take a hometown discount like most of the star players in Detroit do. :p

LET'S GO RED WINGS!!!
 

Missing20K

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This series should be over. The Penguins should have and could have won both games 1 and 2. They should have lost game 3, won game 4, lost game 5, and won game 6. HOWEVER, when you are the champs a lot of teams say coulda, woulda, shoulda...

I seriously cant watch my team lose the cup again. These guys gotta come out fighting...and EVERYONE needs to support EVERYONE. Fleury aint winning this game alone, nor is Malkin, and certainly not Sidney. The WHOLE team has to show up.

I cannot agree with you more. Which is why I find your arguments so confusing at times. I believe you are right, the Pens could have won this series in 6 the way each game has been played. With the exception of games 5 and 6, the team that played better kept losing.

Oh, and I didn't mean to insult in my earlier comments, I was pretty sure you are a hockey player, and I just wanted to throw the damn yinzers under the bus. You at least understand the game and it's nuances. We may disagree a bit over minute details of the games and the players, but we are definitely on the same page when it comes to seeing the game realistically. Or at least we are pretty close...:animwink:

And I will almost certainly cry if they lose again. I might cry if they win it too, but I just don't think I can take them losing again. You are absolutely correct in stating the entire team needs to show up. Every single man pulling in the same direction, with the same will, determination and intensity.

LET'S GO PENS!!!


P.S. For those in the 'burgh, where is everyone watching the game?? We can have a wdwmagic/pens party! :lol:
 

Lucky

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Detroit needs this more than Pittsburgh does. You know, with the auto industry disappearing, former mayor in jail and all.
 

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