Future Star Wars Story movies put on hold thanks to SOLO

[Disney Irish]

I think several people here are looking through the perspective of Disney on Star Wars.

That doesn’t matter. You can’t say “that was Lucas, not disney”. This isn’t a normal movie franchise. When Disney bought it...they bought the baggage.

I don’t know how you can apologize away a bad/rough start after the warnings were there.

Lucas claims the fans drove him from his own company. It doesn’t matter if that’s overstated or not - the narrative is widely accepted. You just can’t make bad Star Wars and get any good will. It was never gonna happen.

I can say it and I did, its my opinion. If other fans want to lump them all together and say the sins of the father shall be laid upon the children like some Shakespearean melodrama, well that is their prerogative. But for me I can separate it into pre-Disney and post-Disney. For me Disney SW started with EP 7, and I treat it as part of the same universe but separate from anything pre-Disney. So with that Disney has put out only 4 movies. All of which are completely different stories, but no real unifying story line to connect them all together. Which gets back to my previous post, they need a singular vision for the Disney SW Universe lead by a single person like a Dave Filoni.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You read too much into what I said. I never said I wanted Kennedy and Johnson gone. What I said was I wanted someone like Feige who created the MCU long before becoming the head of Marvel in Disney. Feige created and continues to drive the unified cinematic universe in the MCU where each film tied into the others while still giving the writers and directors the freedom to tell their own stories. Kennedy can run the studio for all I care, as long as there is someone driving the singular vision of the SW franchise. I think that person should be Dave Filoni, but that is just my opinion.

No...you didn’t say that...my argument is you SHOULD because the damage is done.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I can say it and I did, its my opinion. If other fans want to lump them all together and say the sins of the father shall be laid upon the children like some Shakespearean melodrama, well that is their prerogative. But for me I can separate it into pre-Disney and post-Disney. For me Disney SW started with EP 7, and I treat it as part of the same universe but separate from anything pre-Disney. So with that Disney has put out only 4 movies. All of which are completely different stories, but no real unifying story line to connect them all together. Which gets back to my previous post, they need a singular vision for the Disney SW Universe lead by a single person like a Dave Filoni.

Disney inherited the bad Lucas baggage. Anyone not aware or not thinking that is incorrect.

It’s Star Wars...Star Wars fans just want what it feels like - they don’t care who makes or made it.

Just like mistakes cover all that contribute to them.

May not be fair - but it is the reality and the ultimate of Dutch doors.

 

[Disney Irish]

No...you didn’t say that...my argument is you SHOULD because the damage is done.

Kennedy is the head of the studio, not the creative force behind SW. She isn't the one writing the stories or directing the films. Having her leave won't change a thing in my opinion. She can still run the studio as long as they have a single person running the creative side of SW behind the scenes.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney inherited the bad Lucas baggage. Anyone not aware or not thinking that is incorrect.

It’s Star Wars...Star Wars fans just want what it feels like - they don’t care who makes or made it.

Just like mistakes cover all that contribute to them.

May not be fair - but it is the reality and the ultimate of Dutch doors.

You're right fans don't care about who makes it. Fans are just like junkies looking for their next fix trying to get back that original high they felt. Well the reality is you'll never get back that original high, its impossible.

So compartmentalizing it into pre-Disney and post-Disney is the reasonable thing to do. Whether other fans want to take that same stance is up to them. But that is how I look at it, and how I will continue to look at it. And to be honest I don't really care if you think I'm incorrect for taking that stance.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I suspect both. You have the no-life-nut-jobs whose lives depend on Star Wars and can’t get laid who gave him ridiculous grief.

Then you have the regular fans and general moviegoing public who just thought the prequels weren’t that great and compared them to the much better originals.

Methinks the ego of Lucas may have lumped that all together and dismissed it as all nut jobs, ignoring the valid criticism.

What I didn’t get was why they weren’t better stories. This was planned for many years. Bantha Tracks always reported Lucas had 3 trilogies in mind. You’d think they would have been more compelling.

That said, after initial disappointment at the theater, they’re better now. Except freaking Hayden. I just don’t like him in anything. But I guess he set the stage for his grandson following in his footsteps and being another whiny little b.

I’ve said it before: the prequels were not satisfying especially because we wanted more Luke, Han, Leia, and this was not that.

Had 7,8,9 been done first, before the actors aged out (RIP CF) it would have given us our fix, a temporary point of closure, and then go back and do the prequels whenever. Doing the prequels first was the original sin which threw the whole thing off its axis.




I can’t watch the fast and furious. I think that’s just in the “movies for stupid people” category. (Ducking tomatoes.)

Tokyo Drift was on in a hotel room once, I couldn’t believe people actually watched it. I was mortified for about 15 minutes and recalled spinning on my Big Wheel...

This is one of my favorite all time posts in near 20 years of Disney forum perusing...

So much to agree with.

The fundamental mistake...and there really is no way to have prevented it nor predicted it...was not bringing tbe sequels first. If you look up interview clips from the late 90s...fisher, ford, and hamill were the parent aged characters in physical appearance.

They look downright awful now...especially fisher. Let’s just call it...that does matter.

But George is GREEDY...and I think a lot of his dumping the sequels was to not pay actors - specifically Ford - who was the biggest actor in the business (along with cruise) when phantom menace was in production. I think that had a lot to do with it. More than will ever be admitted.

His fixation with the anakin story was an error in 2 ways: first, you can do prequels at any time. Second, his reliance on cheap cgi didn’t fit the backstory...because it ended up showing a more detailed world in the past...that doesn’t fit. Only BSG could pull that off...(I wonder what ron Moore is doing, by the way? Wonder if he’d like a name tag??)

But as far as the Lucas grief...I agree with you that the truth of the angst is somewhere in the middle...it’s not the space catalogue boys or the common man...it’s somewhere in between.

But does that matter? The narrative was written. The consequences will linger. And that’s Disney’s problem. They got anti-prequel $2 billion for a reboot...well the reckoning is any bad movie was gonna get severe backlash. That was always the deal. It is Disney’s problem. Anyone that is saying that you can compartmentalize blame for bad Star Wars doesn’t honestly get Star Wars. It’s just not comparable based on the legacy of what it was and the doors for movies and product it opened.

 

[Disney Irish]

May not be fair - but it is the reality and the ultimate of Dutch doors.

Oh and if it really is the ultimate Dutch door, than that means to fans Disney created SW. Because Disney can't just be saddled with the bad if they can't also be credited with the good.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Kennedy is the head of the studio, not the creative force behind SW. She isn't the one writing the stories or directing the films. Having her leave won't change a thing in my opinion. She can still run the studio as long as they have a single person running the creative side of SW behind the scenes.

Are you saying the buck doesn’t stop with her? She’s picking the directors and greenlighting the scripts.

This no fault world your looking for doesn’t exist.

Why isn’t treverrow directing? The truth is out there on that...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh and if it really is the ultimate Dutch door, that that means to fans Disney created SW. Because Disney can't just be saddled with the bad if they can't also be credited with the good.

In a sense...yes.

If the Disney movies were fantastic, all the staunch anti disney and pro Lucas vocal opponents would flip like burgers and laud them...which isn’t fair.

But now that problems exist - I assume twits denying that there are problems will be quiet on this for the time being? - they get he whole ball of wax. Because it’s Star Wars. It is unique. But may not be for much longer.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You're right fans don't care about who makes it. Fans are just like junkies looking for their next fix trying to get back that original high they felt. Well the reality is you'll never get back that original high, its impossible.

So compartmentalizing it into pre-Disney and post-Disney is the reasonable thing to do. Whether other fans want to take that same stance is up to them. But that is how I look at it, and how I will continue to look at it. And to be honest I don't really care if you think I'm incorrect for taking that stance.

You missed the point...it’s Star Wars. It’s ingrained in the biggest money earners generational Psyche. That does matter.

You can’t compartmentalize it because it’s an outlier. And that ironically would take heat off disney...and you’re not a duster, correct?

They should have KNOWN what they were dealing with when they bought it. Most moviegoers are extremely casual...but guess what IP holds the largest group of over obsessed geeks left??

As they said in Apollo 13: “failure is not an option”

 

[Disney Irish]

Are you saying the buck doesn’t stop with her? She’s picking the directors and greenlighting the scripts.

This no fault world your looking for doesn’t exist.

Why isn’t treverrow directing? The truth is out there on that...

What I'm saying is she is the head of the studio that is a division of a larger company. For good or for bad she has lead the studio to over $4.5 Billion at the box office. The buck ultimately stops with Iger. Iger seems to be happy with her return on his investment. So bottom line until Iger sees an issue, it doesn't matter what fans think. As long as the films keep making money Kennedy will continue to lead the studio.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What I'm saying is she is the head of the studio that is a division of a larger company. For good or for bad she has lead the studio to over $4.5 Billion at the box office. The buck ultimately stops with Iger. Iger seems to be happy with her return on his investment. So bottom line until Iger sees an issue, it doesn't matter what fans think. As long as the films keep making money Kennedy will continue to lead the studio.

But the films are now not making money. It’s been in the news.

And let’s face it: that is an appalling question for Star Wars. Solo coming in under $750 mil is shocking...no matter what...and that’s a lot of angst boiling over. The idea people were too busy is blown apart by things like Deadpool...people are going to the movies. Jurrassic world, anyone? Tired, stupid, and making tons more...

I can agree with you that She would be a scapegoat in many ways...but that doesn’t really matter? What did Napoleon say: “the truth is a lie that everyone believes?”...

Well they paraded abrams and Kennedy around with their chests puffed out for 4 years...and somebody pays the price when things go south and they have. Fair or no...it’s a necessary move.

I’m ok with Kennedy staying if Johnson is flushed out the nearest air lock - assuming the ship has gas - and then get a creative head that likes the original trilogy. I honestly don’t care about the millennials anymore. If you make decent movies...they’ll be there. With us or against us time...before it’s too late.

 

[Disney Irish]

You missed the point...it’s Star Wars. It’s ingrained in the biggest money earners generational Psyche. That does matter.

You can’t compartmentalize it because it’s an outlier. And that ironically would take heat off disney...and you’re not a duster, correct?

They should have KNOWN what they were dealing with when they bought it. Most moviegoers are extremely casual...but guess what IP holds the largest group of over obsessed geeks left??

As they said in Apollo 13: “failure is not an option”

I didn't miss the point that its Star Wars. And there are OVER obsessed geeks that follow this stuff a little too closely. But some of those biggest money makers were post-Disney. So yeah, there you have it.

And if I want to compartmentalize it, that is my right.

Disney will do whatever it has to so it continues to make money with this franchise.

 

[ppete1975]

So this was inaccurate information it appears. Obi wan and Boba fett are still going to be made... it was the third film that created all of the confusion. It was a mos eisley movie that hadn't been talked about (thank god its cancelled, maybe a tv show for the streaming service but not a movie). When the space at the studio was "no longer needed" it created fear that all projects were cancelled and that's when the rumor got out. Right now only the mos eisley is cancelled, everything else is still a go

 

[Disney Irish]

But the films are now not making money. It’s been in the news.

And let’s face it: that is an appalling question for Star Wars. Solo coming in under $750 mil is shocking...no matter what...and that’s a lot of angst boiling over. The idea people were too busy is blown apart by things like Deadpool...people are going to the movies. Jurrassic world, anyone? Tired, stupid, and making tons more...

I can agree with you that She would be a scapegoat in many ways...but that doesn’t really matter? What did Napoleon say: “the truth is a lie that everyone believes?”...

Well they paraded abrams and Kennedy around with their chests puffed out for 4 years...and somebody pays the price when things go south and they have. Fair or no...it’s a necessary move.

I’m ok with Kennedy staying if Johnson is flushed out the nearest air lock - assuming the ship has gas - and then get a creative head that likes the original trilogy. I honestly don’t care about the millennials anymore. If you make decent movies...they’ll be there. With us or against us time...before it’s too late.

One film not making money doesn't make the whole franchise bomb, sorry it just doesn't. Sure Solo appears to have given them pause but as the article I posted indicated, that Collider article was not accurate. They are still moving forward with current plans, but are trying to streamline the operation. Which I hope also means getting a singular vision from a creative head of the franchise.

I know you are on this crusade to have either Kennedy or Johnson out, or both. But that just isn't happening right now.

Also fans like yourself have to realize at some point that you can't live in the past. You can't rely on just the original trilogy to tell stories, you have to build for the future not the past.

 

[Disney Irish]

So this was inaccurate information it appears. Obi wan and Boba fett are still going to be made... it was the third film that created all of the confusion. It was a mos eisley movie that hadn't been talked about (thank god its cancelled, maybe a tv show for the streaming service but not a movie). When the space at the studio was "no longer needed" it created fear that all projects were cancelled and that's when the rumor got out. Right now only the mos eisley is cancelled, everything else is still a go

Correct, and if it hadn't been for this 24 hour news cycle that we live in now it would have never even been reported on, let alone reported incorrectly.

 

[champdisney]

Bottom line guys, whether you agree with me or not. Kathleen Kennedy made a promise to both George Lucas and the fans that she would honor Star Wars and its characters. She lied. This is why fans like me are down on the current product. You do not go around making promises that you don’t intend to keep, especially on a grand scale like this.

Like others have said, Lucasfilm needs someone like Kevin Feige. A president of a studio who overlooks everything because they give a damn! Kennedy doesn’t understand Star Wars, sure she’s been friends with Lucas for decades but she has never been involved in any of his Star Wars projects in the past. That’s why she gave Rian “little leprechaun” Johnson complete reign which ended up becoming the most lackluster Star Wars since Phantom Menace, in the eyes of many fans. Point is, real friends don’t lie to you. She and all of her identity politics needs to go.

May the Force be with us all! Always.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I didn't miss the point that its Star Wars. And there are OVER obsessed geeks that follow this stuff a little too closely. But some of those biggest money makers were post-Disney. So yeah, there you have it.

And if I want to compartmentalize it, that is my right.

Disney will do whatever it has to so it continues to make money with this franchise.

I believe the adjusted gross for Disney’s Star Wars films rank 2, 6, 7, and 10 respectively...

So is the “money” that fantastic???

And are you trying to stick to the “only the geeks are mad”? Narrative...I’m getting that impression and it’s false.

The geeks are mad...but the movie goers can’t be bothered...That’s “red alert” territory.

 

[ppete1975]

I believe the adjusted gross for Disney’s Star Wars films rank 2, 6, 7, and 10 respectively...

So is the “money” that fantastic???

And are you trying to stick to the “only the geeks are mad”? Narrative...I’m getting that impression and it’s false.

The geeks are mad...but the movie goers can’t be bothered...That’s “red alert” territory.

And to answer earlier comments, I still like you @Sirwalterraleigh
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
The sting shocks me...

 

[Disney Irish]

I believe the adjusted gross for Disney’s Star Wars films rank 2, 6, 7, and 10 respectively...

So is the “money” that fantastic???

And are you trying to stick to the “only the geeks are mad”? Narrative...I’m getting that impression and it’s false.

The geeks are mad...but the movie goers can’t be bothered...That’s “red alert” territory.

For some reason everyone has been programmed that a SW film has to be this big life changing event that will make over a Billion dollars every time. Let's face facts, not every film is going to be a life changing event. Not every film is going to make over a Billion dollars. And not every SW film is going to measure up to the original trilogy. I know its a hard concept to grasp in the world of SW, but its the truth. And that is just something that SW fans have to accept. And to be honest that is something that the media and Wall Street have to also accept.