Future Star Wars Story movies put on hold thanks to SOLO

[Disney Irish]

The character sucked and did nothing on screen...doesn’t matter what mama and daddy looked like

But she was a heck of a Pilot after working maintenance...yeah...good call there. It’s awesome when something that has leeway because it’s so fake - gets taken beyond the level of redonkulosity.

It’s like when the spaceballs went to plaid...but they were making fun of themselves.

Why is it hard to believe that a resistance maintenance worker on a star ship wouldn't have piloting skills. I'd actually expect most resistance maintenance workers on star ships to have at least a basic level of flight knowledge. This is because a resistance fighter is going to have more than a single skill because they never know when they have to step up to replace a fallen fellow fighter.

That is not to say that the Rose/Finn story line wasn't an arc that was needed, because it wasn't. That I can admit, it was a waste of a story arc. But in the end its a fantasy film, sometimes you just have to go with it and stop over analyzing. Not everything has to be explained with a nice little bow wrapped around it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Nope, you've asked me that before. Born and raised in California. Though I've lived other places, but never in Wisconsin.

You're brand of humor doesn't seem to play well on these boards. You may want to look into that instead of blaming others for not having a sense of humor.

Who are you representing again?? There’s one type of poster that’s universally loved on a Disney board...that’s just not gonna happen.

I think I’ll live...we prickly megalopolis types have to self deprecate...it’s a hard wired mechanism. Tedious - I know.

Based on the complete resistance to loosening up...I still don’t fully believe California...but ok.

No didn't miss that part. But you also can't rely on just those fans from previous generations. One thing that Disney has been accused of in the past is resting on their laurels. Well Disney is attempting to make sure they are always bringing in the next generation of consumers.

Will that next generation have any money? It’s a question nobody will consider? Economic power of future generations will go into decline is my prediction. They’re starting out with obstacles that won’t be overcome in bubble land. We will reap what we haven’t sewn.

So I wouldn’t tick off the Xers...I just wouldn’t.

Iger has already stated the price point will be the same as Hulu if not lower for their 3 streaming services. For example ESPN will cost $4.99 a month. The others will be in the $12 a month range.

Reasonable...but I don’t trust iger...weren’t they floating $25 for espn???!!! That’s only $23.50 over reasonable value.

Price is one of the ways to control crowd levels, this is true no matter who is sitting in the CEO chair. Its a balancing act to try and keep the parks packed but not to the point where you have to turn people away due to overcrowding. This is especially true at Disneyland where the aging infrastructure can't handle larger crowds like WDW and some of the other parks can. So raising prices allows them to curb demand while the supply is the same level. More supply is coming online in the next couple of years with SW:GE and Marvel at DLR and SW:GE and other 50th projects at WDW.

Now I believe you are fully Californian. You have a very Disneyland take on where the crowds come from...Orlando is not so recession proof. That’s not a insult about California - by the way - we know what we know.

It used to be more recession proof than what they have now...again - $300 rack rates at moderates don’t discount down to where it needs to be when travel locks off. Travel is the first thing walled off in recession...and Orlando is more vulnerable because it’s a week trip, not a weekend. This is where my experience in revenue during some doozy crashes comes into play. This is a big issue.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Why is it hard to believe that a resistance maintenance worker on a star ship wouldn't have piloting skills. I'd actually expect most resistance maintenance workers on star ships to have at least a basic level of flight knowledge. This is because a resistance fighter is going to have more than a single skill because they never know when they have to step up to replace a fallen fellow fighter.

That is not to say that the Rose/Finn story line wasn't an arc that was needed, because it wasn't. That I can admit, it was a waste of a story arc. But in the end its a fantasy film, sometimes you just have to go with it and stop over analyzing. Not everything has to be explained with a nice little bow wrapped around it.

The problem is just this: it’s a fantasy film that does such a bad job of pulling you into the fantasy and keeping you there because of character/story gaps and flaws...and the now calling card of unnecessary diversions...

We’ve been through this before: it was called the prequels and not the standard you want.

 

[Disney Irish]

Who are you representing again?? There’s one type of poster that’s universally loved on a Disney board...that’s just not gonna happen.

I think I’ll live...we prickly megalopolis types have to self deprecate...it’s a hard wired mechanism. Tedious - I know.

Based on the complete resistance to loosening up...I still don’t fully believe California...but ok.

I represent myself, and no one else. Bay Area born and raised.

Will that next generation have any money? It’s a question nobody will consider? Economic power of future generations will go into decline is my prediction. They’re starting out with obstacles that won’t be overcome in bubble land. We will reap what we haven’t sewn.

So I wouldn’t tick off the Xers...I just wouldn’t.

Yes, I believe they will have money. Two or three generations from now we'll see. But for now I don't see the monetary collapse that you appear to.

Reasonable...but I don’t trust iger...weren’t they floating $25 for espn???!!! That’s only $23.50 over reasonable value.

No not as far as I know, I've never heard anything beyond the $12 per month price point. And even if they did toy around with the idea of $25 for ESPN, it wasn't going to work because they have to compete with other services.

ESPN streaming has already launched at $4.99 a month by the way:

https://plus.espn.com/

Now I believe you are fully Californian. You have a very Disneyland take on where the crowds come from...Orlando is not so recession proof. That’s not a insult about California - by the way - we know what we know.

It used to be more recession proof than what they have now...again - $300 rack rates at moderates don’t discount down to where it needs to be when travel locks off. Travel is the first thing walled off in recession...and Orlando is more vulnerable because it’s a week trip, not a weekend. This is where my experience in revenue during some doozy crashes comes into play. This is a big issue.

If we have a large enough recession then its doesn't matter what happens in Orlando as we'll have larger issues. However keeping this to Disney, Orlando does have an AP program as well. They'll just have to find a way to bring that up to DLR levels if its a long enough recession. But the travel industry is also one of the first things to come back quickly after a recession, so Orlando will be fine long term.

 

[Disney Irish]

The problem is just this: it’s a fantasy film that does such a bad job of pulling you into the fantasy and keeping you there because of character/story gaps and flaws...and the now calling card of unnecessary diversions...

We’ve been through this before: it was called the prequels and not the standard you want.

If you go in trying to analyze it of course it'll never pull you in. That is the issue with fans, they try to analyze instead of enjoying it. Sometimes a film is just a popcorn Saturday afternoon escapism type of film.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you go in trying to analyze it of course it'll never pull you in. That is the issue with fans, they try to analyze instead of enjoying it. Sometimes a film is just a popcorn Saturday afternoon escapism type of film.

Nah...not this time...the “fans” took all kinds of grief for being unsatiafied with the prequels...and at the end of the day - they sucked.

I’m not suggesting cgi mark hamill and the Ewoks go on an adventure...but at some point there is a real fire behind the smoke.

Disney had one big box office explosion...and it’s in severe retreat now and it’s been 3 years...this is not a figment of imagination by 50 angry internet fans.

Work THE PROBLEM...don’t blame the players. That’s what Disney should be doing and quick.

 

[Disney Irish]

Nah...not this time...the “fans” took all kinds of grief for being unsatiafied with the prequels...and at the end of the day - they sucked.

I’m not suggesting cgi mark hamill and the Ewoks go on an adventure...but at some point there is a real fire behind the smoke.

Disney had one big box office explosion...and it’s in severe retreat now and it’s been 3 years...this is not a figment of imagination by 50 angry internet fans.

Work THE PROBLEM...don’t blame the players. That’s what Disney should be doing and quick.

Disney isn't to blame for the prequels, that was Lucas on his own prior to Disney even being involved. Which shows that the original SW trilogy was a story built by a man in a certain place in his life with a certain mindset in a certain time. That same man in a different place in his life with a different mindset in a different period in time isn't going to produce the same set of stories which is what fans wanted.

I think fans have an unrealistic through rose colored glasses view on what SW is suppose to be. They have built up this idea in their head of what SW is suppose to be for 40 years that its an unrealistic goal that Disney or even Lucas can attain. Some of these storytelling elements that fans have an issue with were there in the original trilogy as well. Its not the perfect up on a pedestal ideal of a story that some fans try to make it out to be.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You know how Bruce Springsteen can make an album now with zero hits and it will still sell and get nominated for Grammys and spark a tour? He can make whatever the heck kind of non-commercial music he wants. He can do a freaking vanity project for all he cares.

That's Star Wars. There are enough core fans to support anything. Solo, the big flop, still hit 200 million.

They can do a side project that's a fun romp like Solo, and they can do a side project that's all in the weeds for the comic-con types. Right now they're swinging for the fences to establish something, they can do that stuff later.

Have reasonable expectations. Lucas is out. There is no "God" of this universe steering different directors and actors like J.K. Rowling was for all the Potter films (which are so Star Wars it's kind of funny.) It's just people making stories based on well-known characters and their world. You're likely to have hits and misses. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a truly original storyline and a non-cliche ending? Most movies suck and fail IMO, especially the endings. I just sat through the first Jurassic Park movie on opening night that didn't grab me. The new director had to "make it his own." Oh, well. I'll go see the next one.

On the car ride home, we'll talk about it and point out stupid things and things we liked. We're not going to get all into the director and boycott if he directs the next one. That's asinine.

The original SW 1970's fans like me have no say in where things go. We watch the movies and we like them or we don't. We like certain aspects or we don't. If they make you feel a certain way about Luke Skywalker, that's their prerogative and you can dislike what happened to him but that doesn't make it a bad movie. If it's making you feel something and surprising you, that is some degree of success in itself. I didn't think I could be surprised, especially after the reboot was so remake-y.

There are inconsistencies in almost every movie and TV show. You can pick them apart all you want. I tend to notice things that make no sense, I can't help it, but I don't dwell on them. These new SW movies - I might think in the theater, "that's a little off" but I don't rant like I own the franchise or like I'm telling off an umpire.

I noticed Finn had a diminished role. I thought that was odd. But so what? Maybe the next one will feature him and this one was more about Poe. Why would anyone even bother to worry about it?

Who cares if they killed Phasma? You like her? Great. People die. That's life. (Ha.)

We're not the artists. We don't get to tell people who make movies how to make movies. Either you watch or you don't. Either you like it or you don't. There's no reason every film has to be in the top ten films of all time to be a success. It'll do fine.

IV, V, VI will never happen again. (Although Potter did a pretty good job of borrowing and is a much more consistent series because of the timing of production and the involvement of the author.)

Bruce doesn't have to have a hit every time anymore. His career is untouchable; his respect is intact no matter what comes next.

 

[Disney Irish]

You know how Bruce Springsteen can make an album now with zero hits and it will still sell and get nominated for Grammys and spark a tour? He can make whatever the heck kind of non-commercial music he wants. He can do a freaking vanity project for all he cares.

That's Star Wars. There are enough core fans to support anything. Solo, the big flop, still hit 200 million.

They can do a side project that's a fun romp like Solo, and they can do a side project that's all in the weeds for the comic-con types. Right now they're swinging for the fences to establish something, they can do that stuff later.

Have reasonable expectations. Lucas is out. There is no "God" of this universe steering different directors and actors like J.K. Rowling was for all the Potter films (which are so Star Wars it's kind of funny.) It's just people making stories based on well-known characters and their world. You're likely to have hits and misses. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a truly original storyline and a non-cliche ending? Most movies suck and fail IMO, especially the endings. I just sat through the first Jurassic Park movie on opening night that didn't grab me. The new director had to "make it his own." Oh, well. I'll go see the next one.

On the car ride home, we'll talk about it and point out stupid things and things we liked. We're not going to get all into the director and boycott if he directs the next one. That's asinine.

The original SW 1970's fans like me have no say in where things go. We watch the movies and we like them or we don't. We like certain aspects or we don't. If they make you feel a certain way about Luke Skywalker, that's their prerogative and you can dislike what happened to him but that doesn't make it a bad movie. If it's making you feel something and surprising you, that is some degree of success in itself. I didn't think I could be surprised, especially after the reboot was so remake-y.

There are inconsistencies in almost every movie and TV show. You can pick them apart all you want. I tend to notice things that make no sense, I can't help it, but I don't dwell on them. These new SW movies - I might think in the theater, "that's a little off" but I don't rant like I own the franchise or like I'm telling off an umpire.

I noticed Finn had a diminished role. I thought that was odd. But so what? Maybe the next one will feature him and this one was more about Poe. Why would anyone even bother to worry about it?

Who cares if they killed Phasma? You like her? Great. People die. That's life. (Ha.)

We're not the artists. We don't get to tell people who make movies how to make movies. Either you watch or you don't. Either you like it or you don't. There's no reason every film has to be in the top ten films of all time to be a success. It'll do fine.

IV, V, VI will never happen again. (Although Potter did a pretty good job of borrowing and is a much more consistent series because of the timing of production and the involvement of the author.)

Bruce doesn't have to have a hit every time anymore. His career is untouchable; his respect is intact no matter what comes next.

I've been saying this for awhile now, the current SW really needs a Kevin Feige type like Marvel has. They need to have a singular vision throughout the universe so one movie leads into the next. I had hoped Dave Filoni would be that person, we'll see if that comes true or not.

Also just so its out there, that Collider article that everyone is reporting on might have been a little premature and only told part of the story. Here is more on that:

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/A_New_Report_Clears_Up_Some_Of_The_Star_Wars_Rumors_181109.asp

 

[Dead2009]

How does an Asian character not make sense in the story?

It's outer space. It's not real. How do you know there aren't Asian-looking people (etc) there?

You just proved your own point. It's not real. I'll never for the life of me understand why people get so upset over what others think. Medals arent given out for these type of things.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You just proved your own point. It's not real. I'll never for the life of me understand why people get so upset over what others think. Medals arent given out for these type of things.

Well, maybe you should try to understand.

We can take for granted when we sat in theaters in the 70’s, all the heroes were white. That’s one experience for us and a different experience for everyone else. That’s just the way it was back then for various reasons, some practical, some prejudiced, some happenstance.

Lando eventually turned up and that was a big deal. We take that for granted now.

Nothing wrong with letting Asian kids feel a little more connected to the film this time around. Plus, let’s be honest, they want to sell the film everywhere, not just in the West.

The reality is these things do have an effect and are important in society beyond simple entertainment. Will & Grace did begin to change hearts & minds for the LGBT community and make them more familiar to a mainstream audience. That’s just one example.

If there can be so many different kinds of creatures in space that you rarely see more than one or two of each in the Cantina or other public meeting place, then surely there could be various flavors of humans as well. There’s nothing even odd about that to me.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney isn't to blame for the prequels, that was Lucas on his own prior to Disney even being involved. Which shows that the original SW trilogy was a story built by a man in a certain place in his life with a certain mindset in a certain time. That same man in a different place in his life with a different mindset in a different period in time isn't going to produce the same set of stories which is what fans wanted.

I think fans have an unrealistic through rose colored glasses view on what SW is suppose to be. They have built up this idea in their head of what SW is suppose to be for 40 years that its an unrealistic goal that Disney or even Lucas can attain. Some of these storytelling elements that fans have an issue with were there in the original trilogy as well. Its not the perfect up on a pedestal ideal of a story that some fans try to make it out to be.

I think several people here are looking through the perspective of Disney on Star Wars.

That doesn’t matter. You can’t say “that was Lucas, not disney”. This isn’t a normal movie franchise. When Disney bought it...they bought the baggage.

I don’t know how you can apologize away a bad/rough start after the warnings were there.

Lucas claims the fans drove him from his own company. It doesn’t matter if that’s overstated or not - the narrative is widely accepted. You just can’t make bad Star Wars and get any good will. It was never gonna happen.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've been saying this for awhile now, the current SW really needs a Kevin Feige type like Marvel has. They need to have a singular vision throughout the universe so one movie leads into the next. I had hoped Dave Filoni would be that person, we'll see if that comes true or not.

Also just so its out there, that Collider article that everyone is reporting on might have been a little premature and only told part of the story. Here is more on that:

http://www.theforce.net/story/front/A_New_Report_Clears_Up_Some_Of_The_Star_Wars_Rumors_181109.asp

And here we agree...which means you must agree that Kennedy and Johnson have to go.

They are toxic and the perception will hurt the financial reality. Disney can not afford that...that’s not “ok” with the market people.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You know how Bruce Springsteen can make an album now with zero hits and it will still sell and get nominated for Grammys and spark a tour? He can make whatever the heck kind of non-commercial music he wants. He can do a freaking vanity project for all he cares.

That's Star Wars. There are enough core fans to support anything. Solo, the big flop, still hit 200 million.

They can do a side project that's a fun romp like Solo, and they can do a side project that's all in the weeds for the comic-con types. Right now they're swinging for the fences to establish something, they can do that stuff later.

Have reasonable expectations. Lucas is out. There is no "God" of this universe steering different directors and actors like J.K. Rowling was for all the Potter films (which are so Star Wars it's kind of funny.) It's just people making stories based on well-known characters and their world. You're likely to have hits and misses. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a truly original storyline and a non-cliche ending? Most movies suck and fail IMO, especially the endings. I just sat through the first Jurassic Park movie on opening night that didn't grab me. The new director had to "make it his own." Oh, well. I'll go see the next one.

On the car ride home, we'll talk about it and point out stupid things and things we liked. We're not going to get all into the director and boycott if he directs the next one. That's asinine.

The original SW 1970's fans like me have no say in where things go. We watch the movies and we like them or we don't. We like certain aspects or we don't. If they make you feel a certain way about Luke Skywalker, that's their prerogative and you can dislike what happened to him but that doesn't make it a bad movie. If it's making you feel something and surprising you, that is some degree of success in itself. I didn't think I could be surprised, especially after the reboot was so remake-y.

There are inconsistencies in almost every movie and TV show. You can pick them apart all you want. I tend to notice things that make no sense, I can't help it, but I don't dwell on them. These new SW movies - I might think in the theater, "that's a little off" but I don't rant like I own the franchise or like I'm telling off an umpire.

I noticed Finn had a diminished role. I thought that was odd. But so what? Maybe the next one will feature him and this one was more about Poe. Why would anyone even bother to worry about it?

Who cares if they killed Phasma? You like her? Great. People die. That's life. (Ha.)

We're not the artists. We don't get to tell people who make movies how to make movies. Either you watch or you don't. Either you like it or you don't. There's no reason every film has to be in the top ten films of all time to be a success. It'll do fine.

IV, V, VI will never happen again. (Although Potter did a pretty good job of borrowing and is a much more consistent series because of the timing of production and the involvement of the author.)

Bruce doesn't have to have a hit every time anymore. His career is untouchable; his respect is intact no matter what comes next.

So you’re ok with Star Wars being like the fast and the furious?

Ok got it...back to the magic kingdom now...where fantasy is encouraged

 

[ppete1975]

How does an Asian character not make sense in the story?

It's outer space. It's not real. How do you know there aren't Asian-looking people (etc) there?

I think its because rose as a character adds nothing... she was added it feels so they could add an Asian character. I don't care if shes Asian, white black purple green... as a character I think she was worthless. And from her small parts in the film as an actress (or is that actor now) she didn't impress me. Now if Rey had been Asian or Holdo, then the character is there for a reason, but to just add characters into the movie to hit "checkboxes" doesn't need to happen in a star wars film.
"we need to be PC, ok we need an LGBT character, an Asian, and African American" THATS what bugs me.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Lucas claims the fans drove him from his own company. It doesn’t matter if that’s overstated or not - the narrative is widely accepted.

I suspect both. You have the no-life-nut-jobs whose lives depend on Star Wars and can’t get laid who gave him ridiculous grief.

Then you have the regular fans and general moviegoing public who just thought the prequels weren’t that great and compared them to the much better originals.

Methinks the ego of Lucas may have lumped that all together and dismissed it as all nut jobs, ignoring the valid criticism.

What I didn’t get was why they weren’t better stories. This was planned for many years. Bantha Tracks always reported Lucas had 3 trilogies in mind. You’d think they would have been more compelling.

That said, after initial disappointment at the theater, they’re better now. Except freaking Hayden. I just don’t like him in anything. But I guess he set the stage for his grandson following in his footsteps and being another whiny little b.

I’ve said it before: the prequels were not satisfying especially because we wanted more Luke, Han, Leia, and this was not that.

Had 7,8,9 been done first, before the actors aged out (RIP CF) it would have given us our fix, a temporary point of closure, and then go back and do the prequels whenever. Doing the prequels first was the original sin which threw the whole thing off its axis.

So you’re ok with Star Wars being like the fast and the furious?

Ok got it...back to the magic kingdom now...where fantasy is encouraged

I can’t watch the fast and furious. I think that’s just in the “movies for stupid people” category. (Ducking tomatoes.)

Tokyo Drift was on in a hotel room once, I couldn’t believe people actually watched it. I was mortified for about 15 minutes and recalled spinning on my Big Wheel...

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I think its because rose as a character adds nothing... she was added it feels so they could add an Asian character. I don't care if shes Asian, white black purple green... as a character I think she was worthless. And from her small parts in the film as an actress (or is that actor now) she didn't impress me. Now if Rey had been Asian or Holdo, then the character is there for a reason, but to just add characters into the movie to hit "checkboxes" doesn't need to happen in a star wars film.
"we need to be PC, ok we need an LGBT character, an Asian, and African American" THATS what bugs me.

Who are you armchair movie critic to say the character adds nothing?

She saved Finn’s life, and partnered with him on a mission. She may end up together with him, maybe the mother of a major character down the road. What do you know?

 

[ppete1975]

Who are you armchair movie critic to say the character adds nothing?

She saved Finn’s life, and partnered with him on a mission. She may end up together with him, maybe the mother of a major character down the road. What do you know?

Its called my opinion. I am entitled to it as you are yours.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Who are you armchair movie critic to say the character adds nothing?

She saved Finn’s life, and partnered with him on a mission. She may end up together with him, maybe the mother of a major character down the road. What do you know?

Pretty empty nonsense character...it didn’t help that the Finn character became useless too

 

[Disney Irish]

And here we agree...which means you must agree that Kennedy and Johnson have to go.

They are toxic and the perception will hurt the financial reality. Disney can not afford that...that’s not “ok” with the market people.

You read too much into what I said. I never said I wanted Kennedy and Johnson gone. What I said was I wanted someone like Feige who created the MCU long before becoming the head of Marvel in Disney. Feige created and continues to drive the unified cinematic universe in the MCU where each film tied into the others while still giving the writers and directors the freedom to tell their own stories. Kennedy can run the studio for all I care, as long as there is someone driving the singular vision of the SW franchise. I think that person should be Dave Filoni, but that is just my opinion.