Future Star Wars Story movies put on hold thanks to SOLO

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Bottom line guys, whether you agree with me or not. Kathleen Kennedy made a promise to both George Lucas and the fans that she would honor Star Wars and its characters. She lied. This is why fans like me are down on the current product. You do not go around making promises that you don’t intend to keep, especially on a grand scale like this.

Like others have said, Lucasfilm needs someone like Kevin Feige. A president of a studio who overlooks everything because they give a damn! Kennedy doesn’t understand Star Wars, sure she’s been friends with Lucas for decades but she has never been involved in any of his Star Wars projects in the past. That’s why she gave Rian “little leprechaun” Johnson complete reign which ended up becoming the most lackluster Star Wars since Phantom Menace, in the eyes of many fans. Point is, real friends don’t lie to you. She and all of her identity politics needs to go.

May the Force be with us all! Always.

Ok...nobody is gonna top this one

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For some reason everyone has been programmed that a SW film has to be this big life changing event that will make over a Billion dollars every time. Let's face facts, not every film is going to be a life changing event. Not every film is going to make over a Billion dollars. And not every SW film is going to measure up to the original trilogy. I know its a hard concept to grasp in the world of SW, but its the truth. And that is just something that SW fans have to accept. And to be honest that is something that the media and Wall Street have to also accept.

If Star Wars is Like any other movie...somebody has been had for 40 years...because it wasn’t treated that way. If you want it to be that way...the Disney has a “friend in you”...no pun intended.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

One film not making money doesn't make the whole franchise bomb, sorry it just doesn't. Sure Solo appears to have given them pause but as the article I posted indicated, that Collider article was not accurate. They are still moving forward with current plans, but are trying to streamline the operation. Which I hope also means getting a singular vision from a creative head of the franchise.

I know you are on this crusade to have either Kennedy or Johnson out, or both. But that just isn't happening right now.

Also fans like yourself have to realize at some point that you can't live in the past. You can't rely on just the original trilogy to tell stories, you have to build for the future not the past.

All the movies are sliding backwards...abrams got too much gate - cause everyone hated the prequels - and it’s been a horrible downward arc since...

This isn’t tough.

 

[ppete1975]

so side topic... if toys had never been made.. would star wars
a) had sequels
b) been as popular as it is
I think kenner has a lot to do with how popular star wars was and is

 

[Disney Irish]

If Star Wars is Like any other movie...somebody has been had for 40 years...because it wasn’t treated that way. If you want it to be that way...the Disney has a “friend in you”...no pun intended.

You and I just aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this. That is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

In the end I think SW will be fine. Get a person with a singular vision and let them run the franchise, they don't need to run the whole studio however.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You and I just aren't going to see eye-to-eye on this. That is fine. You're entitled to your opinion, I'm entitled to mine.

In the end I think SW will be fine. Get a person with a singular vision and let them run the franchise, they don't need to run the whole studio however.

I agree here...we are entrenched.

Either way...we both seem to agree changes are needed. I honestly don’t know how anyone can’t think.

I get how normal fools thought the drop from 7 to 8 was “normal”....but the comparison with empire was stupid because it never took into account the context of the eras...
But even if you believe that - what happened with solo and the admitted backlash in Hollywood blew that theory away.

I’m not saying disney will do anything - but a shakeup is fully warranted and is probably the right call. I just think corporate is preoccupied with other things. I will say that I don’t believe for a second that rian Johnson is making more Star Wars movie...go back to low budget indie movies for meth heads where you belong...

 

[Disney Irish]

All the movies are sliding backwards...abrams got too much gate - cause everyone hated the prequels - and it’s been a horrible downward arc since...

This isn’t tough.

I agree here...we are entrenched.

Either way...we both seem to agree changes are needed. I honestly don’t know how anyone can’t think.

I get how normal fools thought the drop from 7 to 8 was “normal”....but the comparison with empire was stupid because it never took into account the context of the eras...
But even if you believe that - what happened with solo and the admitted backlash in Hollywood blew that theory away.

I’m not saying disney will do anything - but a shakeup is fully warranted and is probably the right call. I just think corporate is preoccupied with other things. I will say that I don’t believe for a second that rian Johnson is making more Star Wars movie...go back to low budget indie movies for meth heads where you belong...

Are they really sliding backwards, or was there just so much pent up demand that the numbers for Ep7 were super bloated. And that now we are getting to the real core of what a typical SW film should be making today, setting Solo aside but basically TLJ and Rogue domestic numbers.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

so side topic... if toys had never been made.. would star wars
a) had sequels
b) been as popular as it is
I think kenner has a lot to do with how popular star wars was and is

The licensing/marketing is part of the phenomenon...that was never in doubt.

I recommend you watch the “toys that made us” on Netflix...not only is there a Star Wars episode...all the others refer back to Star Wars from the action figure angle.

The real strength in Star Wars has always been licensed product...it’s near $100 bil at last tally...and my underoos where worn out long ago...

But that’s also the danger of making crap movies. If it doesn’t stick...it won’t sell product...and Disney will have bought it without its greatest benefit.

Just have to do better...I don’t think there’s a logical dispute to that.

 

[Disney Irish]

Either way...we both seem to agree changes are needed. I honestly don’t know how anyone can’t think.

The type of change though is where I think we differ.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Are they really sliding backwards, or was there just so much pent up demand that the numbers for Ep7 were super bloated. And that now we are getting to the real core of what a typical SW film should be making today, setting Solo aside but basically TLJ and Rogue domestic numbers.

The answer is both.

Force awakens was not a good movie...it was a retread that was all about “feel” and abrams giving Harrison “thanks for the paycheck” ford an exit and a big bank...
...so it made $2 billion (opinion) largely on the anti-prequel backlash and “event” status of it. That wouldn’t be duplicated.

But the drops are real. Rogue one was next and isn’t terrible...it dropped by half and that was viewed as Ok. Then the last jedi - I’ll say it...worst attempt at s Star Wars movie ever - dropped 36% from force awakens. If it was good that was 20% at most. Infinity war was decent and it made $2 bil...that’s the kinda bar any semi average Star Wars should be in distance of...

Then solo bombed...reasons are speculated but a significant part was Fan backlash.

I think $400 domestic and $750 worldwide in today’s bloated numbers isn’t too much to expect at all - turmoil aside. They just didn’t sell any tickets. Period.

That’s too precipitous when you look at it objectively. Too fast.

If the narrative is that force awakens “blew the wad”...then it’s a dead franchise...and it may be.

So then we’re wasting our time and can go back to talking about “how magical is port?”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The type of change though is where I think we differ.

Getting Kennedy out of the stories amounts to the same thing either way...one is just more warm and fuzzy.

 

[ppete1975]

The licensing/marketing is part of the phenomenon...that was never in doubt.

I recommend you watch the “toys that made us” on Netflix...not only is there a Star Wars episode...all the others refer back to Star Wars from the action figure angle.

The real strength in Star Wars has always been licensed product...it’s near $100 bil at last tally...and my underoos where worn out long ago...

But that’s also the danger of making crap movies. If it doesn’t stick...it won’t sell product...and Disney will have bought it without its greatest benefit.

Just have to do better...I don’t think there’s a logical dispute to that.

I watched it and lego.. about to watch star trek. Born in 1975 I know that's what got me into star wars was the toys. Empire is the first movie I remember seeing and the reason I was so excited was because of the first toy I remember.. a stormtrooper. Of course I had many more by then including my sand speeder. The funny thing is everything had a 33 record or kid books.. so I'm not sure if id seen a new hope before empire or if I saw it on one of the many rereleases years later.

 

[ppete1975]

so I think that's another part of star wars especially for people who grew up with the original trilogy.. youre messing with their childhood. Look how much people buy back their old toys, just to feel that feeling again.

 

[Disney Irish]

so I think that's another part of star wars especially for people who grew up with the original trilogy.. youre messing with their childhood. Look how much people buy back their old toys, just to feel that feeling again.

And that is it, they are trying to recapture a feeling from a different part of their lives, the peter pan syndrome so to speak. Its never going to happen, you can't recapture that feeling from when you were young. Nostalgia plays a big part of everything Disney does. But it can't be the only thing. If you play to just nostalgia you lose. If you forget nostalgia you lose. Its a balancing act and Disney does it fairly well. Just look at the live action remakes, most do fairly well.

Point is that you can't play to just the nostalgia factor.

 

[Disney Irish]

The answer is both.

Force awakens was not a good movie...it was a retread that was all about “feel” and abrams giving Harrison “thanks for the paycheck” ford an exit and a big bank...
...so it made $2 billion (opinion) largely on the anti-prequel backlash and “event” status of it. That wouldn’t be duplicated.

But the drops are real. Rogue one was next and isn’t terrible...it dropped by half and that was viewed as Ok. Then the last jedi - I’ll say it...worst attempt at s Star Wars movie ever - dropped 36% from force awakens. If it was good that was 20% at most. Infinity war was decent and it made $2 bil...that’s the kinda bar any semi average Star Wars should be in distance of...

Then solo bombed...reasons are speculated but a significant part was Fan backlash.

I think $400 domestic and $750 worldwide in today’s bloated numbers isn’t too much to expect at all - turmoil aside. They just didn’t sell any tickets. Period.

That’s too precipitous when you look at it objectively. Too fast.

If the narrative is that force awakens “blew the wad”...then it’s a dead franchise...and it may be.

So then we’re wasting our time and can go back to talking about “how magical is port?”

I honestly think Solo was an anomaly, as you said maybe a fan backlash. But the film overall wasn't bad. Which I why I think it'll make a lot more money once its out of theaters.

Either way I think the new "normal" needs to be set. $400 domestic is a reasonable goal to be attained.

TFA didn't blow the wad, but it was pent up demand. One that unfortunately set a bar that became unattainable.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

so I think that's another part of star wars especially for people who grew up with the original trilogy.. youre messing with their childhood. Look how much people buy back their old toys, just to feel that feeling again.

Well..now that makes you a “butt hurt old fart”...

Which is just stupid...unless some 25 year fool borrowing $200,000 for a psychology degree is gonna shell out what I have for Star Wars...and Disney for that matter...

Then pipe down and let the big kids talk. Keyboard rambos without a pot to pee in making fun of the most loyal fan base ever with the most successful franchise at the bank doesn’t equate. The Rock had a saying about that...

 

[Disney Irish]

Getting Kennedy out of the stories amounts to the same thing either way...one is just more warm and fuzzy.

Well to be honest I'm not really sure how much she is in the stories today. But one thing is clear they don't have a clear path from one movie to the next. To quote that article I posted, they throw things at the wall and see what sticks. Either way I think she is ok as a studio head, but needs to appoint a singular visionary as the creative head of SW. Feige is just a rare breed where he can lead a studio and still be involved in the creative side. Those type of people are few and far between.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well to be honest I'm not really sure how much she is in the stories today. But one thing is clear they don't have a clear path from one movie to the next. To quote that article I posted, they throw things at the wall and see what sticks. Either way I think she is ok as a studio head, but needs to appoint a singular visionary as the creative head of SW. Feige is just a rare breed where he can lead a studio and still be involved in the creative side. Those type of people are few and far between.

Before you say “we don’t agree”...I’ve had my research department crunch the numbers and they have confirmed that we do - in fact - agree

The one difference - perhaps - is Johnson.
The natives are restless and they must be satisfied. He is a small price to pay.

 

[Disney Irish]

Before you say “we don’t agree”...I’ve had my research department crunch the numbers and they have confirmed that we do - in fact - agree

Well thank your research department for the confirmation...

 

[ppete1975]

And that is it, they are trying to recapture a feeling from a different part of their lives, the peter pan syndrome so to speak. Its never going to happen, you can't recapture that feeling from when you were young. Nostalgia plays a big part of everything Disney does. But it can't be the only thing. If you play to just nostalgia you lose. If you forget nostalgia you lose. Its a balancing act and Disney does it fairly well. Just look at the live action remakes, most do fairly well.

Point is that you can't play to just the nostalgia factor.

I think that's where episode 7 succeeded. Yes I liked it, and I think the reason some people didn't (not all people who disliked it but a majority), they wanted a whole new story.
Well if you look a formula for a trilogy..
ep1 introduce characters.. give us a reason to care
eps put the good guys in jeopardy
ep3 good guys win

episode 7 did that while.... also giving us that feel good that made us forget we got prequels instead of 789 when they should have happened. While introducing the new characters. Basically heres your security blanket.... heres some new toys to play with.
Episode 8 is where we should have got peril, this is why killing snoke was dumb because nobody fears kylo, even though theres what 8 people left of the good guys... we don't feel they are in peril?
Episode 9... I don't even care about it (the trailer might change this..) but right now there is no reason for an episode 9.. wheres your cliff hanger....wheres the heroes in jeopardy.
that's not star wars.. that's simple story telling.