Future Star Wars Story movies put on hold thanks to SOLO

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm not sure why you're calling me out in a thread that I have never been a part of.

You're entitled to whatever opinion you choose, doesn't mean you're right just means you have an opinion. If you're opinion is that the new Millennium Falcon attraction in the new SW:GE land provides nothing for middle aged men to get nostalgic about, well you're entitled to that opinion and I never stated otherwise. Again doesn't mean you're correct.

You really don’t like using the English language do you? Everything has to be straightforward/joyless?

This board is for fun. To be clear: I wasn’t “calling you out”...I never responded there so I tagged you here. That seems reasonable enough.

And as always...it’s ALWAYS an opinion. That is the case 99% of the time on a Disney board. If you try to dissect every word of every post down to the letter...what’s the point?

 

[Disney Irish]

You really don’t like using the English language do you? Everything has to be straightforward/joyless?

This board is for fun. To be clear: I wasn’t “calling you out”...I never responded there so I tagged you here. That seems reasonable enough.

And as always...it’s ALWAYS an opinion. That is the case 99% of the time on a Disney board. If you try to dissect every word of every post down to the letter...what’s the point?

First, I don't appreciate the snark.

Second, I have an excellent grasp on the English language. What I think you fail to realize is that your humor (I assume its attempts at humor) and obscure references don't translate well into written electronic form. If another poster has to guess at what you mean then your point is lost and the post failed.

Third, by you tagging me in a post where you specifically reference one of our exchanges in an unveiled attempt at calling me a pixie duster is the very definition of calling me out. Let me just say, I'm not a pixie duster. You don't know me, so you can't say if I'm a pixie duster or not.

Fourth, yes these boards are suppose to be fun. But I get a hostile feeling from most of our interactions. Maybe again this is your attempt at humor that just isn't translating.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

First, I don't appreciate the snark.

Second, I have an excellent grasp on the English language. What I think you fail to realize is that your humor (I assume its attempts at humor) and obscure references don't translate well into written electronic form. If another poster has to guess at what you mean then your point is lost and the post failed.

Third, by you tagging me in a post where you specifically reference one of our exchanges in an unveiled attempt at calling me a pixie duster is the very definition of calling me out. Let me just say, I'm not a pixie duster. You don't know me, so you can't say if I'm a pixie duster or not.

Fourth, yes these boards are suppose to be fun. But I get a hostile feeling from most of our interactions. Maybe again this is your attempt at humor that just isn't translating.

You’re finding malice were it doesn’t live. I don’t have ill will towards anyone - even though I often disagree. But it’s the discussion and back and forth where understanding comes from - if anywhere.

You believe what you want to believe. You don’t seem to understand any references of any kind - yet seem to offend out of your perceived ether.

Agree to disagree...this conversation is officially not worth it. It’s a shame too.

 

[Disney Irish]

You’re finding malice were it doesn’t live. I don’t have ill will towards anyone - even though I often disagree. But it’s the discussion and back and forth where understanding comes from - if anywhere.

You believe what you want to believe. You don’t seem to understand any references of any kind - yet seem to offend out of your perceived ether.

Agree to disagree...this conversation is officially not worth it. It’s a shame too.

I agree its the back and forth in a discussion where understanding come from. But you don't ever appear to want to have a true back and forth discussion. And then blame when someone who doesn't know you or your humor doesn't understand your references or your point.
If you have to explain a reference that you believe others should have gotten, then maybe it wasn't a good reference to begin with. Remember everyone is not in your head and doesn't have your personal experiences. So not everyone is going to understand your references just because you think they should.

Edit: I've decided its not worth it to keep interacting with you as you don't appear to want to have a real discussion. I wish you a good day and happy posting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree its the back and forth in a discussion where understanding come from. But you don't ever appear to want to have a true back and forth discussion. And then blame when someone who doesn't know you or your humor doesn't understand your references or your point.
If you have to explain a reference that you believe others should have gotten, then maybe it wasn't a good reference to begin with. Remember everyone is not in your head and doesn't have your personal experiences. So not everyone is going to understand your references just because you think they should.

Edit: I've decided its not worth it to keep interacting with you as you don't appear to want to have a real discussion. I wish you a good day and happy posting.

Kodak and GE were once gold standard Dow 30 companies that are now gone - or soon to be. Disney is currently that as well. The point was that all companies are susceptible to failure if they make bad decisions at critical times or suffer from mismanagement. That’s the walt, tom and George reference.

Disney is no different. They are at a bit of a crossroads as technology and consumer preferences change. They need to be very careful over the next years. And it would also help if they didn’t mess with what works: specifically the middle class price model in parks and a Star Wars people can get behind. The last 6 months or Star Wars debates have been about problems, failures, an division of opinions. Not good at all...turn that ship around and fast.

I’m always up for debate...but I’ve been accused in this past of not making it easy...but I’ve gotten a lot of chuckles as well. Someone even called me a “wordsmith”...that’s too far - but I tend to weave historical fact and experience into making predictive models about Disney and pop culture. And unfortunately for many...I tend to get a few right. I said beware the dining plan, I screamed against price increases and couponing being bad for the consumer during the housing crash, and I knew halfway though the last jedi that they have a serious problem on their hands...

It’s a curse, I know.

You definitely have strong economic instincts and apply a pretty pragmatic approach to Disney discussions...but you don’t like my screwiness.

I get it...but I’ll tell you that eventually you’ll understand me and we’ll often agree. It always seems to happen. I tend to stick to people like a tick...no matter how much they curse me.

The simple truth is that I defend the workers, the customers, and the brand in my unwaivering roundabout sort of way...

Ok...manifesto completed.

EDIT: you almost actually got into a real dialogue...but then you got cold feet and backed out.

Pity.

 

[Dead2009]

It also had political messages throughout.

If you’re mad about a slightly more diverse cast: grow up. This is the world now.

A slightly diverse cast works if it makes sense in terms of the story. If it's a slightly diverse cast "just cause", then it doesnt make for a good film.

 

[Disney Irish]

Kodak and GE were once gold standard Dow 30 companies that are now gone - or soon to be. Disney is currently that as well. The point was that all companies are susceptible to failure if they make bad decisions at critical times or suffer from mismanagement. That’s the walt, tom and George reference.

Disney is no different. They are at a bit of a crossroads as technology and consumer preferences change. They need to be very careful over the next years. And it would also help if they didn’t mess with what works: specifically the middle class price model in parks and a Star Wars people can get behind. The last 6 months or Star Wars debates have been about problems, failures, an division of opinions. Not good at all...turn that ship around and fast.

I’m always up for debate...but I’ve been accused in this past of not making it easy...but I’ve gotten a lot of chuckles as well. Someone even called me a “wordsmith”...that’s too far - but I tend to weave historical fact and experience into making predictive models about Disney and pop culture. And unfortunately for many...I tend to get a few right. I said beware the dining plan, I screamed against price increases and couponing being bad for the consumer during the housing crash, and I knew halfway though the last jedi that they have a serious problem on their hands...

It’s a curse, I know.

You definitely have strong economic instincts and apply a pretty pragmatic approach to Disney discussions...but you don’t like my screwiness.

I get it...but I’ll tell you that eventually you’ll understand me and we’ll often agree. It always seems to happen. I tend to stick to people like a tick...no matter how much they curse me.

The simple truth is that I defend the workers, the customers, and the brand in my unwaivering roundabout sort of way...

Ok...manifesto completed.

EDIT: you almost actually got into a real dialogue...but then you got cold feet and backed out.

Pity.

I edited my post because I realized I've asked many times in the past for you to be clear and even explain your references and you never do. So I figure you wouldn't again. If you were to actually have this level of discourse every time I'd never have a problem interacting with you. But for some reason you like to post in half sentences, and vague references. What you call your screwiness. The issue with written communication is that a lot is lost in translation. Intent, humor, nuance, and even body language are not often picked up. This is the reason why I'm fairly plain and direct in most of my posts, so as to make the point clear.

Anyways, as far as Disney and even Star Wars goes... I think things will be fine overall. The thing that most fans tend to do is live in the past and not think about the future. Its why Disney is trying different things, even with the SW franchise. I know that makes a lot in the SW fandom crazy, upset, and felt left behind. Films are not made in a vacuum, so they incorporate the world around them. Writers, directors, producers all bring in their own lives into each film they make. That is the price of bringing a film universe made in a specific time by a specific person with a specific mindset during that specific time into the current time with different people with different mindsets.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A slightly diverse cast works if it makes sense in terms of the story. If it's a slightly diverse cast "just cause", then it doesnt make for a good film.

And that’s what we have here...
Rose was pointless...Finn is pointless (didn’t start that way by superstar director made him that way)...Poe is a hollow character. Admiral houda was pointless - and a double foul because they got rid of one of the more beloved ancillary characters who could have served the same function specifically to serve the “purple haired” demographic.

It’s what happens when the boss doesn’t get it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I edited my post because I realized I've asked many times in the past for you to be clear and even explain your references and you never do. So I figure you wouldn't again. If you were to actually have this level of discourse every time I'd never have a problem interacting with you. But for some reason you like to post in half sentences, and vague references. What you call your screwiness. The issue with written communication is that a lot is lost in translation. Intent, humor, nuance, and even body language are not often picked up. This is the reason why I'm fairly plain and direct in most of my posts, so as to make the point clear.

Anyways, as far as Disney and even Star Wars goes... I think things will be fine overall. The thing that most fans tend to do is live in the past and not think about the future. Its why Disney is trying different things, even with the SW franchise. I know that makes a lot in the SW fandom crazy, upset, and felt left behind. Films are not made in a vacuum, so they incorporate the world around them. Writers, directors, producers all bring in their own lives into each film they make. That is the price of bringing a film universe made in a specific time by a specific person with a specific mindset during that specific time into the current time with different people with different mindsets.

...if I don’t make you work for it...you’re not gonna have any fun

Disney has a real problem with Star Wars...and they have a real problem trying to launch their own content service from scratch...

And they have real problem jacking pricing to erode any safety net they had for bad economic times...

How much those manifest - no one knows.

 

[some other guy]

I miss when you could just think a movie was good or bad without a bunch of shrieking chumps trying to draft you into some damn fool idealistic crusade.

 

[champdisney]

I miss when you could just think a movie was good or bad without a bunch of shrieking chumps trying to draft you into some damn fool idealistic crusade.

Problem was, you weren’t speaking on behalf of yourself.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I think the greater point is that if you try to cast and write a story according to “checkboxes”...you do so by sacrificing part of the story.

Only if you suck at writing.

Tell me how the story would be better if Rose wasn't Asian.

The archetype villains are empire Vader and jedi palpatine - simple, sinister and scheming.

They haven’t gotten close since.

I have no interest in Snoke. Not afraid of Snoke. Hate the bad CGI. The Wizard of Oz is scarier.

Kylo has some promise because he's nuts. But he's a little too whiny little b. I'm getting really sick of every superhero and action movie creating villains out of someone having been slighted once, so they have to take revenge on the whole universe for the rest of their lives.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

A slightly diverse cast works if it makes sense in terms of the story. If it's a slightly diverse cast "just cause", then it doesnt make for a good film.

How does an Asian character not make sense in the story?

It's outer space. It's not real. How do you know there aren't Asian-looking people (etc) there?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Disney has a real problem with Star Wars...

It's the same "problem" they have with the parks: fans who take something too seriously and ruin it.

I miss when you could just think a movie was good or bad without a bunch of shrieking chumps trying to draft you into some damn fool idealistic crusade.

A thousand times this.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Btw did we all notice the original article was updated to reverse itself?

 

[Disney Irish]

...if I don’t make you work for it...you’re not gonna have any fun

Agree to disagree. I know this is your attempt at humor, but it falls flat, sorry. Its more fun actually having an intelligent clear conversation with someone without having to guess what they mean. Having to work to find a point and a clear cohesive thought within someones post only makes someone frustrated. Additionally it makes them not want to interact with you in the long run.

Disney has a real problem with Star Wars...and they have a real problem trying to launch their own content service from scratch...

The question with Star Wars is how many new fans will they gain vs lose, my bet is they gain a lot more than they lose in the long run.

The content service is actually something that makes the most sense in everything they are doing. How consumers get their content has been changing for awhile now as you know. If your content is only accessible through your service then you get 100% of the income. Whereas you only get a license fee if its hosted on a content service you don't control. The more content you have the more you have to offer for the consumer, which leads to more consumers wanting your service.

The question I've had in the back of my mind, is this digital landscape of different streaming services maintainable beyond the next 10-15 years. That I don't know, but its a real issue outside of Disney a lot more than inside Disney. As Disney still has content consumers want in the long run. So they will always find a way to get their content to the consumers that want it.

And they have real problem jacking pricing to erode any safety net they had for bad economic times...

The good thing about prices is they aren't set in stone. They can go up in good times and can come right back down in bad times. Its the nature of the economic system we live in, and its the great equalizer.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Agree to disagree. I know this is your attempt at humor, but it falls flat, sorry. Its more fun actually having an intelligent clear conversation with someone without having to guess what they mean. Having to work to find a point and a clear cohesive thought within someones post only makes someone frustrated. Additionally it makes them not want to interact with you in the long run.


The question with Star Wars is how many new fans will they gain vs lose, my bet is they gain a lot more than they lose in the long run.

The content service is actually something that makes the most sense in everything they are doing. How consumers get their content has been changing for awhile now as you know. If your content is only accessible through your service then you get 100% of the income. Whereas you only get a license fee if its hosted on a content service you don't control. The more content you have the more you have to offer for the consumer, which leads to more consumers wanting your service.

The question I've had in the back of my mind, is this digital landscape of different streaming services maintainable beyond the next 10-15 years. That I don't know, but its a real issue outside of Disney a lot more than inside Disney. As Disney still has content consumers want in the long run. So they will always find a way to get their content to the consumers that want it.


The good thing about prices is they aren't set in stone. They can go up in good times and can come right back down in bad times. Its the nature of the economic system we live in, and its the great equalizer.

I was digging your insights...

Until you:
A. Showed no sense of humor...still gotta Work on that...because this is a DISNEY BOARD...not open heart surgery. Are you from Wisconsin, by chance??

B. Completely missed the part about Star Wars where the people with the money - fading baby boomers but Gen X that aren’t going anywhere - generated the close to $100 billion in licensed product sales since 1977...and screw with them at your economic perils. They got the mulligan with the prequels...and all the new fans will be living in their parents basements for awhile - possibly forever.

C. I think the content is ok for their Disney tv...I think the tech, delivery, price point is what is yet to be seen. $60.00 a month ain’t gonna fly. Keep an eye on that $75 billion dollar bid though...big stakes there and both sides know it. What a deadly dance/game.

D. Prices aren’t set in stone but TOO MUCH in good times when people are confident will be reduced to STILL TOO MUCH...when they are wrecked and aren’t confident at all. That’s the dynamic when you double your prices In Short order as we have seen in the “bob decade”. And let’s not think that Wall Street are gonna accept 50% drops in revenue when the stock falls. Iger knows this and he has a plan: he’s quitting and walking the minute it happens. He’ll probably end up on the board of Comcast.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's the same "problem" they have with the parks: fans who take something too seriously and ruin it.



A thousand times this.

You you’re defending disney not have a clue? Ok...got it...but we have some nice parting gifts for you.

Why did solo flop? Easy question...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

How does an Asian character not make sense in the story?

It's outer space. It's not real. How do you know there aren't Asian-looking people (etc) there?

The character sucked and did nothing on screen...doesn’t matter what mama and daddy looked like

But she was a heck of a Pilot after working maintenance...yeah...good call there. It’s awesome when something that has leeway because it’s so fake - gets taken beyond the level of redonkulosity.

It’s like when the spaceballs went to plaid...but they were making fun of themselves.

 

[Disney Irish]

I was digging your insights...

Until you:
A. Showed no sense of humor...still gotta Work on that...because this is a DISNEY BOARD...not open heart surgery. Are you from Wisconsin, by chance??

Nope, you've asked me that before. Born and raised in California. Though I've lived other places, but never in Wisconsin.

Your brand of humor doesn't seem to play well on these boards. You may want to look into that instead of blaming others for not having a sense of humor.

B. Completely missed the part about Star Wars where the people with the money - fading baby boomers but Gen X that aren’t going anywhere - generated the close to $100 billion in licensed product sales since 1977...and screw with them at your economic perils. They got the mulligan with the prequels...and all the new fans will be living in their parents basements for awhile - possibly forever.

No didn't miss that part. But you also can't rely on just those fans from previous generations. One thing that Disney has been accused of in the past is resting on their laurels. Well Disney is attempting to make sure they are always bringing in the next generation of consumers.

C. I think the content is ok for their Disney tv...I think the tech, delivery, price point is what is yet to be seen. $60.00 a month ain’t gonna fly. Keep an eye on that $75 billion dollar bid though...big stakes there and both sides know it. What a deadly dance/game.

Iger has already stated the price point will be the same as Hulu if not lower for their 3 streaming services. For example ESPN will cost $4.99 a month. The others will be in the $12 a month range.

D. Prices aren’t set in stone but TOO MUCH in good times when people are confident will be reduced to STILL TOO MUCH...when they are wrecked and aren’t confident at all. That’s the dynamic when you double your prices In Short order as we have seen in the “bob decade”. And let’s not think that Wall Street are gonna accept 50% drops in revenue when the stock falls. Iger knows this and he has a plan: he’s quitting and walking the minute it happens. He’ll probably end up on the board of Comcast.

Price is one of the ways to control crowd levels, this is true no matter who is sitting in the CEO chair. Its a balancing act to try and keep the parks packed but not to the point where you have to turn people away due to overcrowding. This is especially true at Disneyland where the aging infrastructure can't handle larger crowds like WDW and some of the other parks can. So raising prices allows them to curb demand while the supply is the same level. More supply is coming online in the next couple of years with SW:GE and Marvel at DLR and SW:GE and other 50th projects at WDW.