FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.

[Club Cooloholic]

1. I disagree with your comment (therefore, I'm "full of it"), and

2. Your use of absolutes in reference to peoples' feelings or beliefs or opinions, betrays a youthful world view of "The way I see things is correct, and anyone who possibly views it differently is wrong or lying" that most people temper as they become older.

I have to put something here, your wrong to make that assessment. Look at politics, have you ever argued it with both a teenager and someone older than 30? Your going to get a lot more give and take with the teenager. They are at least OPEN to new things.

Also your second point actually is doing the same thing you argue against, generalizing an age group.

Just because you may be older than him, does not mean your A.Smarter B.Wiser C. Nicer.

 

[jakeman]

I just founded the "Official Fastpass's fantastic Fanatics Fanclub", acronym OFFFF. Are there any more aspirants for membership?

We are a conspirative secret society who only takes those that found out about the mysteries of FP and how to use it and confirm an oath to protect this secret from those "not in the know" with our very lives.

As a next step we will try to exploit our secret knowledge to gain world supremacy.

Well you've utter the name out loud, so now we have to kill you.

Be right back...have to go get a FP to do it...:lookaroun

 

[AndyMagic]

Many of the arguments "for" and "against" fastpass in this thread are essentially sound but it seems several of the people in favor of it are ignoring something essential about why the system works for them. You can't simply say that fastpass, "works for you," and that everyone else in the park in the standby line could take advantage of the perk but simply choose not to. If everyone else chose to get a fastpass and be as brilliant as some of you seem to think you are for doing so, then the standby line would be zero minutes and the fastpass tickets would all sell out by 10pm. If you step back and really look at the system it is clear that it isn't the great success that some seem to think it is for the average park guest. Again, average park guest does not equal average WDWMagic guest. Sure, if you plan your day perfectly, are there for the entire day, and exclusively use fastpass where it is available and only wait in line at rides when fastpass isn't offered, then you might save some time. I would argue that the time you saved is not only at the expense of several other people, but that the organic fun of enjoying a day at a theme park is ruined as well. It's sad that visiting Disney World needs an "attack plan."

I will also add that there is a sugar-pill effect to fastpass that must account for its popularity. I like to use the "local train" vs. "express train" analogy. In New York City, we have subway trains that run local and stop at each stop along a line and express trains that skip certain stops. I live on an express stop and have timed the difference several times to and from work. If I catch the express train, the trip is 30 minutes from Brooklyn to Manhattan. If I take the local, it's 32 minutes. Now, in addition to this, the express trains are always packed to the gills and uncomfortable and the locals almost always have seats to spare. If you were to quiz commuters they would probably say the express saved them 10 minutes or more. There is a perception that expresses are faster and for some, that is enough. Ignorance is bliss so to speak. The real gems are those that let a local train pass them by and wait 5 or more minutes for the express train. I'll beat them to work every time.

 

[musketeer]

However, if you were going to eat lunch, spend time in a store, sit on a bench or get ice cream at some point during your day regardless, then your argument falls apart. You have now shifted when you do something non-attraction related (stand in line, ride attraction), not altered how much time you spend doing something non-attraction related.

That's the point of what I'm saying though, for me, BEFORE fastpass, I spent MUCH less time doing things like eating a meal, shopping, etc, because I always felt like I should be going from ride to ride. Before fastpass, I would NEVER (or very rarely) wanted to spend an hour or more at a sit down meal, or browsing through a store, or whatever. So in my case, I feel that I spend an equal amount of time in line (the sum of both virtual and real) now as I did before fastpass (only real lines). And so because of that, I am actually standing in a REAL line for less time than before.

 

[AndyMagic]

Many of the arguments "for" and "against" fastpass in this thread are essentially sound but it seems several of the people in favor of it are ignoring something essential about why the system "works for them." You can't simply say that fastpass, "works for you," and that everyone else in the park in the standby line could take advantage of the perk but simply choose not to. If everyone else chose to get a fastpass and be as brilliant as some of you seem to think you are for doing so, then the standby line would be zero minutes and the fastpass tickets would all sell out by 10pm. If you step back and really look at the system it is clear that it isn't the huge success that some seem to think it is for the average park guest. Once again, average park guest does not equal average WDWMagic guest. Sure, if you plan your day perfectly, are there for the entire day, and exclusively use fastpass when it is available and only wait in line when it isn't, then you might save some time. I would argue that the time you saved is not only at the expense of several other people, but that the organic fun of enjoying a day at a theme park is ruined as well. It's sad that visiting Disney World needs an "attack plan."

I will also add that there is a "sugar pill" effect to fastpass that must account for some of its popularity. I like to use the "local train" vs. "express train" analogy. In New York City, we have subway trains that run local and stop at each stop along a line and express trains that skip certain stops. I live on an express stop and have timed the difference several times to and from work. If I catch the express train, the trip is 30 minutes from Brooklyn to Manhattan. If I take the local, it's 32 minutes. Now, in addition to this, the express trains are always packed to the gills and uncomfortable and the locals almost always have seats to spare. If you were to quiz commuters they would probably say the express saved them 10 minutes or more. There is a perception that expresses are faster and for some, that is enough. Ignorance is bliss so to speak.

 

[jakeman]

Many of the arguments "for" and "against" fastpass in this thread are essentially sound but it seems several of the people in favor of it are ignoring something essential about why the system works for them. You can't simply say that fastpass, "works for you," and that everyone else in the park in the standby line could take advantage of the perk but simply choose not to. If everyone else chose to get a fastpass and be as brilliant as some of you seem to think you are for doing so, then the standby line would be zero minutes and the fastpass tickets would all sell out by 10pm. If you step back and really look at the system it is clear that it isn't the great success that some seem to think it is for the average park guest. Again, average park guest does not equal average WDWMagic guest. Sure, if you plan your day perfectly, are there for the entire day, and exclusively use fastpass where it is available and only use standby when there is no fastpass, then you might save some time. I would argue that the time you saved is not only at the expense of several other people, but that the organic fun of enjoying a day at a theme park is ruined as well. It's sad that visiting Disney World needs an "attack plan."

It has always needed an attack plan. It's not a new development.

Really the argument is just "it inconveniences people who aren't you, so we shouldn't have it all" in a different set of clothes.

Again, I am not going to shortchange my vacation because people can't follow three simple steps. If everyone does eventually figure it out, I'll adjust my touring style to accommodate. However, given that FP has been around for 11 years, I would hazard to guess that we have reached the plateau of the amount of people who are going to "get it".

Additionally, you are telling me that I'm not having as much fun as I could if I would just stand in line all day. You really can't make that assumption about me or anyone else.

I will also add that there is a sugar-pill effect to fastpass that must account for its popularity. I like to use the "local train" vs. "express train" analogy. In New York City, we have subway trains that run local and stop at each stop along a line and express trains that skip certain stops. I live on an express stop and have timed the difference several times to and from work. If I catch the express train, the trip is 30 minutes from Brooklyn to Manhattan. If I take the local, it's 32 minutes. Now, in addition to this, the express trains are always packed to the gills and uncomfortable and the locals almost always have seats to spare. If you were to quiz commuters they would probably say the express saved them 10 minutes or more. There is a perception that expresses are faster and for some, that is enough. Ignorance is bliss so to speak.

Oh good. Conspiracy now.

However, the problem is, it isn't ignorance. I know for a fact we get more done now. Other posters in this thread have it documented in log books that they get more done.

 

[wm49rs]

If it's a conspiracy, must be time for these:

 

[AndyMagic]

Oh good. Conspiracy now.

However, the problem is, it isn't ignorance. I know for a fact we get more done now. Other posters in this thread have it documented in log books that they get more done.

I was using an analogy. It was not a conspiracy theory. My use of the word "ignorance" in this case wasn't meant to imply that those that use fastpass don't save any time. I simply meant that perception of reality, not necessarily reality, is what we as humans use when making decisions. The people on the express train WERE saving time, just not as much as they would like to think.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Many of the arguments "for" and "against" fastpass in this thread are essentially sound but it seems several of the people in favor of it are ignoring something essential about why the system works for them. You can't simply say that fastpass, "works for you," and that everyone else in the park in the standby line could take advantage of the perk but simply choose not to. If everyone else chose to get a fastpass and be as brilliant as some of you seem to think you are for doing so, then the standby line would be zero minutes and the fastpass tickets would all sell out by 10pm. If you step back and really look at the system it is clear that it isn't the great success that some seem to think it is for the average park guest. Again, average park guest does not equal average WDWMagic guest. Sure, if you plan your day perfectly, are there for the entire day, and exclusively use fastpass where it is available and only wait in line at rides when fastpass isn't offered, then you might save some time. I would argue that the time you saved is not only at the expense of several other people, but that the organic fun of enjoying a day at a theme park is ruined as well. It's sad that visiting Disney World needs an "attack plan."

It never was any different. WDW and DL was never easy and those who follow a plan always had a better experience than those who just walk around without any plan. FP just made it even easier to plan for those who are "brilliant" enough to read the park map and understand the system. Btw there it is again, this indirect insulting of those who like FP and use it efficiently in opposite to those to inept to read park map instructions (that is not insulting, that's a fact).
And again the same rubbish about those who are "in the know" being to ignorant to realize they are tricked into believing something although they know for sure by their own experience.
I used FP on days where I didn't arrive before 11.00 AM and it still worked out, the same with days where we left early. And we didn't even plan every day perfectly and still it worked.

 

[G-bone]

So if I go to a restaurant and don't make a reservation and have to wait in line should I be ed at all the people going ahead of me who made a reservation? I had the choice to do it but didn't.

 

[cblodg]

So if I go to a restaurant and don't make a reservation and have to wait in line should I be ed at all the people going ahead of me who made a reservation? I had the choice to do it but didn't.

Now that is a great comparison! :sohappy:

 

[AndyMagic]

It never was any different. WDW and DL was never easy and those who follow a plan always had a better experience than those who just walk around without any plan. FP just made it even easier to plan for those who are "brilliant" enough to read the park map and understand the system. Btw there it is again, this indirect insulting of those who like FP and use it efficiently in opposite to those to inept to read park map instructions (that is not insulting, that's a fact).
And again the same rubbish about those who are "in the know" being to ignorant to realize they are tricked into believing something although they know for sure by their own experience.
I used FP on days where I didn't arrive before 11.00 AM and it still worked out, the same with days where we left early. And we didn't even plan every day perfectly and still it worked.

What is your point? That it "worked" isn't really what I was disputing regardless of how loosely you are using, "worked." I'm sure the majority of guests use it at least once during their visit (even first timers will catch on). The point is that it doesn't save anyone any time unless they exclusively use it on every ride and plan perfectly. Like has been said before, most people obtain a pass, ride a different ride using the standby line, and then head back to the other ride using their fastpass. That person didn't save any time and that is how the majority of people, even people on this board, use the system.

 

[Xethis]

So if I go to a restaurant and don't make a reservation and have to wait in line should I be ed at all the people going ahead of me who made a reservation? I had the choice to do it but didn't.

Agree! Well said.

 

[AndyMagic]

So if I go to a restaurant and don't make a reservation and have to wait in line should I be ed at all the people going ahead of me who made a reservation? I had the choice to do it but didn't.

The people who make a reservation do so while they are at work or home doing what they would normally be doing during that time of day. The people who "reserve" a ride using fast pass, just leave that ride and go wait for something else and thus, aren't saving as much time as they would like to think.

 

[wm49rs]

What is your point? That it "worked" isn't really what I was disputing regardless of how loosely you are using, "worked." I'm sure the majority of guests use it at least once during their visit (even first timers will catch on). The point is that it doesn't save anyone any time unless they exclusively use it on every ride and plan perfectly. Like has been said before, most people obtain a pass, ride a different ride using the standby line, and then head back to the other ride using the fastpass. That person didn't save any time and that is how the majority of people, even people on this board, use the system.

Then again, the majority of people on vacation aren't obsessed with saving time, so your argument is as accurate as those proponents of the FP system.....:brick:

 

[Xethis]

The people who make a reservation do so while they are at work or home doing what they would normally be doing during that time of day. The people who "reserve" a ride using fast pass, just leave that ride and go wait for something else and thus, aren't saving as much time as they would like to think.

So ordering a pizza & then running an errand before you go pick it up is also not really a 'time saver'? I disagree.

Some people are good at managing their time, and others are not. Some people like Fastpass & others don't. There's no law on how to utilize your time best at WDW, and no law stating people have to use Fastpass or not. Guess we'll all have to agree to disagree on this one.

If you like it, use it. If you don't, then don't.

 

[sublimesting]

I agree 100%, Fastpass is Terrible!

Tell me how is waiting in one fastpass line for 2 minutes and another line (while waiting for your fastpass time to arrive) for 60 minutes any faster than waiting in those same 2 lines before fastpass existed for 30 minutes a piece? It just doubles the wait time for standby lines which defeats the entire purpose.

DIE FASTPASS DIE!!!

Because that FP line that is 2 minutes, if it were shuffled into the regular line, would turn the regular line into a much longer wait than 30 minutes. And no one who uses FP waits in a 60 minute line.

 

[imagineer boy]

Without Fast Pass, I'd never be able to ride Test Track, Soarin, or Space Mountain. And especially Peter Pan. I'd never wait two hours for any of those, just such a day waster.

I think FP is good but flawed system. It just needs some improvements here and there.

 

[Master Yoda]

The people who make a reservation do so while they are at work or home doing what they would normally be doing during that time of day. The people who "reserve" a ride using fast pass, just leave that ride and go wait for something else and thus, aren't saving as much time as they would like to think.

I think your are misunderstanding the whole saving time concept when it come to fast pass. If you are talking straight linear time (ie person 1 gets in line at 10 am person 2 gets fast pass at 10 am and comes back when it is good) then no FP does not save you a second. However, WDW is not a static one operation at a time world. While person 1 is waiting in line person 2 can go on another attraction, grab lunch, or just sit on a park bench and stare at the clouds. Regardless of what they do they are doing something other than waiting in line. When you are downloading a file do you just sit there and stare at the progress bar or do you do other things on your computer? Having FP enables you to multi task.

 

[AndyMagic]

So ordering a pizza & then running an errand before you go pick it up is also not really a 'time saver'? I disagree.

Well if your errand involves going to a different pizza place and ordering a pizza right after 5 people just called in their order, then no. No, that isn't a time saver. We are comparing average waits before and after fastpass was implemented, not whether or not using fastpass once will save you time in that one instance.