FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.

mp2bill

mp2bill

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Maybe if they printed the rules of FP on the back of the ticket? I know it's small, but a couple quick bullet points might help those people who don't know the rules.
 
Xethis

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AndyMagic said:
Well if your errand involves going to a different pizza place and ordering a pizza right after 5 people just called in their order, then no. No, that isn't a time saver. We are comparing average waits before and after fastpass was implemented. Not whether or not using fastpass once will save you time in that one instance.
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Nothing like being argumentative for the sake of arguing huh?

I'm done . . .
 
Master Yoda

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AndyMagic said:
Yes but as has been said before, the multitasking often involves going to stand in line which is longer and on average moves slower now that Disney implemented fastpass.
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Just fyi but there is more to do in WDW than jump from one attraction to the next.
 
castevens

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Master Yoda said:
Just fyi but there is more to do in WDW than jump from one attraction to the next.
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WDWmazprty

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AndyMagic said:
Yes but as has been said before, the multitasking often involves going to stand in line which is longer and on average moves slower now that Disney implemented fastpass.
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Yeah, that woud be the standby line, not the FP line. I'll wave to you as I get on before you.:rolleyes:
 
Spike-in-Berlin

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AndyMagic said:
The people who make a reservation do so while they are at work or home doing what they would normally be doing during that time of day. The people who "reserve" a ride using fast pass, just leave that ride and go wait for something else and thus, aren't saving as much time as they would like to think.
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You just don't get it, do you? I go to BTMR at 10.00 am and get a FP that is valid at 12.00 am, with the next FP available at 11.30. I go to Adventureland and do PotC, a non-FP ride which takes me about half an hour,waiting time and ride. Then I go to Liberty square do the HM which takes me another half an hour walk, wait and ride. It's 11.00 o'clock by now and we go to Pirata y Perico for lunch. At 11.40 we get a new FP at Splash mountain which is valid for 2.30 pm and after a little strolling through some shops a little later go to BTMR where we have a 5 minute wait or even walk-on.
So instead of waiting in line at BTMR for an hour (as it was already before FP) and wasting this time by standing in a line (not even a very elaborate one) or more I instead did two major attractions, had lunch, did a little shopping and got a second FP for a ride that has a normal wait of 1 hr or more. I could even have done three attractions in that time if I had left out lunch.
And I have to admit I don't understand why some people just don't understand the enormous benefit of a virtual wait (because that's what FP is actually)
 
WDWmazprty

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Spike-in-Berlin said:
You just don't get, do you? I go to BTMR at 10.00 am and get a FP that is valid at 12.00 am, with the next FP available at 11.30. I go to Adventureland and do PotC, a non-FP ride which takes me about half an hour,waiting time and ride. Then I go to Liberty square do the HM which takes me another half an hour walk, wait and ride. It's 11.00 o'clock by now and we go to Pirata y Perico for lunch. At 11.40 we get a new FP at Splash mountain which is valid for 2.30 pm and after a little strolling through some shops a little later go to BTMR where we have a 5 minute wait or even walk-on.
So instead of waiting in line at BTMR for an hour (as it was already before FP) and wasting this time by standing in a line (not even a very elaborate one) or more I instead did two major attractions, had lunch, did a little shopping and got a second FP for a ride that has a normal wait of 1 hr or more. I could even have done three attractions in that time if I had left out lunch.
And I have to admit I don't understand why some people just don't understand the enormous benefit of a virtual wait (because that's what FP is actually)
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:sohappy: Exactly, you dont get in another standby line that's an hour long, you do something else, or get in a standby line thats maybe only 15 min.

You have to know how to work it, and its not rocket science.
 
sublimesting

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Master Yoda said:
I think your are misunderstanding the whole saving time concept when it come to fast pass. If you are talking straight linear time (ie person 1 gets in line at 10 am person 2 gets fast pass at 10 am and comes back when it is good) then no FP does not save you a second. However, WDW is not a static one operation at a time world. While person 1 is waiting in line person 2 can go on another attraction, grab lunch, or just sit on a park bench and stare at the clouds. Regardless of what they do they are doing something other than waiting in line. When you are downloading a file do you just sit there and stare at the progress bar or do you do other things on your computer? Having FP enables you to multi task.
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Right. While waiting in other lines waiting for my FP ticket to "mature" I am actually waiting in 2 lines at once. If you divide at the end of the day how long I spent on average it would be considerably less by using FP than if I just did SB (even if there was no FP).
 
castevens

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Folks, folks, let's return to the real point of the thread.

The title is "FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did." which is 100% false. We all know Stich's Great Escape is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.
 
Master Yoda

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castevens said:
Folks, folks, let's return to the real point of the thread.

The title is "FastPass is the dumbest thing Disney ever did." which is 100% false. We all know Stich's Great Escape is the dumbest thing Disney ever did.
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I have to disagree. Closing the Adventurers club was the dumbest thing Disney ever did.
 
sublimesting

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Spike-in-Berlin said:
You just don't get, do you? I go to BTMR at 10.00 am and get a FP that is valid at 12.00 am, with the next FP available at 11.30. I go to Adventureland and do PotC, a non-FP ride which takes me about half an hour,waiting time and ride. Then I go to Liberty square do the HM which takes me another half an hour walk, wait and ride. It's 11.00 o'clock by now and we go to Pirata y Perico for lunch. At 11.40 we get a new FP at Splash mountain which is valid for 2.30 pm and after a little strolling through some shops a little later go to BTMR where we have a 5 minute wait or even walk-on.
So instead of waiting in line at BTMR for an hour (as it was already before FP) and wasting this time by standing in a line (not even a very elaborate one) or more I instead did two major attractions, had lunch, did a little shopping and got a second FP for a ride that has a normal wait of 1 hr or more. I could even have done three attractions in that time if I had left out lunch.
And I have to admit I don't understand why some people just don't understand the enormous benefit of a virtual wait (because that's what FP is actually)
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No, they aren't getting it for the simple reason that they do not understand that stand by would be even longer if fast pass line was rolled into it. As a matter of fact the stand by line wait would be the same or with or without fast pass or longer without fast pass. Fast pass just means some people are waiting inline elsewhere.

Another way to think of it is those people in the FP line were simply in front of you in the stand by line. They aren't cutting they were just having their place saved for them. Kind of like getting into line and calling out "I've got this spot" then going and doing something else until their trun to ride.

This is so logical to me I am failing to understand how people aren't comprehending.
 
David S.

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PirateFrank said:
You raise a valid point in that rider distribution isn't fully realized because people do not take advantage of FP. However, I will argue that that is the very reason why FP isn't a complete failure. Rides where FPs are exhausted within a few hours become just overly congested, painful queues. See TSM or Soarin for examples of this.
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And that's why you plan ahead and make sure you either a) Do TSMM and Soarin' at rope drop when they are still a walk on, OR b) make sure you get a FP for them before they run out. I usually don't do either of these first, but have NEVER had trouble getting a FP for them between 10 and 11 AM.

Most of the other FP attractions still have FPs available MUCH later into the day, some as late as 2 hours (or less!) before closing! (I've seen that on Pooh, Maelstrom, and Jungle Cruise), while most fall somewhere between these two extremes.

As for your comments regarding CMs allowing you to return late...that is a problem. You might think it's ok because a few people up the disney totem pole have allowed you to do it...but the fact remains that the FP concept is *centered* around ride-redistribution. When you have FP userss not returning at the time specified by the kiosk computer, you are circumventing the very thing that the FP system intended to control. What ends up happening is that the ride congestion for standby *and* FP holders gets worse and worse as the day progresses. A perfect example of this was back on the 12th. I was waiting on R&RC's FP line with my son...the line for FP holders prior to the merge was several hundred people long....approximately half as long as the 80 minute standby line. Technically, this shouldn't happen...but because cast members allow late returns, it does.

Just because a guy with a name tag tells you it's ok, it doesn't mean it's official park policy. The initial creators of the concept would tell you you're wrong.
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Sigh. HERE WE GO AGAIN! It's more than just "a guy with a nametag" or "a few higher-ups on the totem pole" who have told me it's OK. I have asked probably close to a hundred people (CMs and managers) over the last 5 years (because I like to check from time to time to make sure it is still OK) and they have ALL - I repeat ALL - said "Our policy is that they are good between the first time printed on the ticket and park closing".

So again, I will take the word of the NUMOROUS park representatives who have told me this over a fan on a message board who doesn't even like the system! ALL of my park experience indicates that it is perfectly OK. Had I never found this message board, I never would have even known that SOME fans had an issue with this!

Your assumption that coming "late" is hurting the system is based on the assumption that lots of people are coming "late" at the same time. This may happen (usually when there have been breakdowns during the day and people have NO CHOICE). And even if a bunch of people do come back "late" at the same time, this just means that lots of standby people who would have been on the ride after them got on FASTER than they would have! This is what you are overlooking. So if you percieve that the "latecomers" are holding you up, they aren't. If they would have been on "time", the standby line you are standing in would have simply been longer.

But, there is in important point I made that you conveniently didn't quote so I am going to have to say it AGAIN:

When I use one "late", it's usually for an extra ride late in the evenings when the FP queue is a walk on and the standby is very short, so in those instances I am putting less of a strain on the system than I would have if I used it "on time", such as if the ticket was for 3 PM and the FP was backed up then with a 60 minute standby. When I'm "late", HOURS and HOURS worth of people got on ONE PERSON QUICKER because I was "late".

You conveniently overlook that part, and want to be "holier than thou" and label me an "abuser", though, even though according to official management policy, I am not abusing ANYTHING! Those CM's who let people in late aren't being "lenient" - they are doing what they've been INSTRUCTED to do by their higher-ups!

Again, since you didn't quote me, I went back and found this little nugget. Do you honestly think if WDW considered coming "late" to be "abusive", they would have allowed THIS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1KJS3aOtQ

At 1:55-2:30 of this video, you will see some comments in an official WDW production about it being okay to use them "late"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C1KJS3aOtQ
 

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