Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[havoc315]

From the CDC guidance, they don't even need a positive test in some cases

Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

I don't think it is significant either way though. It is the same way they code flu deaths. Deaths are declining nationwide. We won't know for sure until the end of the year and then can look back at all cause deaths. Most pandemic death rates are downgraded in retrospect due to this.

You are partially right.

Let me give you an example of a doctor I know: He worked in an ER during the height of Covid. He then got sick, cough, fever, couldn't breathe, lost his taste buds. All of the symptoms of Covid. He died at home, and never had a Covid test.
Is there any doubt he died from Covid? Not really. But his death was NOT counted in the Covid deaths at the time.

In the end, mathematical models will be used to study the true number of deaths. I completely agree the numbers will be revised in retrospect. But in most cases (if not all cases), the numbers of death will be increased dramatically. We are missing lots of deaths.

Now, the number of actual infections will also be increased dramatically... already seeing it.... so the death *rate* may indeed be downgraded. But the total number of deaths will be increased significantly.

 

[marni1971]

I'm assuming the fp queue will be used for DAS and rider swap until FP comes back

Fast pass is unlikely to come back as we knew it. As things stand.

 

[Mainahman]

Fast pass is unlikely to come back as we knew it. As things stand.

I know i share your thoughts on fastpass+ so this makes me happy, yet scared, as i dont trust them not to Screw it up further

 

[Mark52479]

Very interesting point was just said about hospitals in Miami that was just made at a Miami news conference.

He just said 40% of the people coming into the hospital are testing positive because they cam into the hospital for another reason and they were tested but are asymptomatic.

But he said even though they are asymptomatic they still most go to the Covid section of the hospital and be treated like the rest of the covid patients.

 

[Andrew C]

Fast pass is unlikely to come back as we knew it. As things stand.

Wondering if this will be good or bad...

 

[marni1971]

Wondering if this will be good or bad...

Early days yet. I may be wrong. But I don’t think Fastpass as we knew it has any great future. Or I may be jumping the gun.

 

[legwand77]

Very interesting point was just said about hospitals in Miami that was just made at a Miami news conference.

He just said 40% of the people coming into the hospital are testing positive because they cam into the hospital for another reason and they were tested but are asymptomatic.

But he said even though they are asymptomatic they still most go to the Covid section of the hospital and be treated like the rest of the covid patients.

Yup increases the covid hospitalization numbers, broken leg no other issues but covid test positive you are a covid hospitalization. So roughly up to 40% of the covid hospitalizations numbers are asymptomatic.

 

[Miss Bella]

Yup increases the covid hospitalization numbers, broken leg no other issues but covid test positive you are a covid hospitalization. So roughly up to 40% of the covid hospitalizations numbers are asymptomatic.

We've had several patients come in for CVA's or MI's and then when we run a COVID test so the rehab will take them they come back positive. The negative part of that the staff gets exposed, but so far no one has contracted COVID from an asymptomatic patient. I have had multiple exposures with nothing, but a paper mask.

 

[havoc315]

Yup increases the covid hospitalization numbers, broken leg no other issues but covid test positive you are a covid hospitalization. So roughly up to 40% of the covid hospitalizations numbers are asymptomatic.

That. Is. Not. True.

Asymptomatic Covid presentations are *discharged.*
If you come in with a broken leg, the leg is set in a cast. Covid test would be performed with your lab work. And you'll be sent home. In most cases, the Covid results won't even be back until after you've already left the hospital. But either way, you wouldn't be admitted for a broken leg.

Please, provide any evidence that 40% of Covid hospitalizations are asymptomatic, other than, "I heard someone said they heard someone say on the television"

 

[Mark52479]

That. Is. Not. True.

Asymptomatic Covid presentations are *discharged.*
If you come in with a broken leg, the leg is set in a cast. Covid test would be performed with your lab work. And you'll be sent home. In most cases, the Covid results won't even be back until after you've already left the hospital. But either way, you wouldn't be admitted for a broken leg.

Please, provide any evidence that 40% of Covid hospitalizations are asymptomatic, other than, "I heard someone said they heard someone say on the television"

This info came from the mouth of the mayor of Miami.

They are using 45 minute tests so u get ur results almost immediately.

So they are moved to covid section to treat both the injury they came in for and covid

 

[Tom P.]

Early days yet. I may be wrong. But I don’t think Fastpass as we knew it has any great future. Or I may be jumping the gun.

Understanding that this is all your opinion, what do you think is the most likely long-term scenario, assuming that COVID-19 restrictions eventually get lifted? Going to all-standby queues? Some sort of reservation system? A paid system like MaxPass? Some combination?

 

[marni1971]

Understanding that this is all your opinion, what do you think is the most likely long-term scenario, assuming that COVID-19 restrictions eventually get lifted? Going to all-standby queues? Some sort of reservation system? A paid system like MaxPass? Some combination?

A combo leaning towards standby for the majority is a hunch.

 

[mgf]

Even if asymptomatic they still have an infectious disease. I don't understand victory lap are you trying to create and take here?

 

[Mainahman]

A combo leaning towards standby for the majority is a hunch.

its sad they had to spend millions of dollars just to realize it isnt the saving grace.....

 

[havoc315]

This info came from the mouth of the mayor of Miami.

They are using 45 minute tests so u get ur results almost immediately.

So they are moved to covid section to treat both the injury they came in for and covid

Please, point to a published source... a transcript, something.

I know for a fact that a patient with a broken leg who tests positive for Covid is NOT being admitted for Covid treatment.

Found something that may be the basis for this misinformation. (evidence that you shouldn't trust "I heard someone say on tv"...):

Younger people coming to ER for other reasons, then testing positive for COVID-19

Statewide and nationally, the age of Florida coronavirus is dropping, but that doesn't mean it should be taken lightly, experts say.

www.local10.com

According to this article, among young people coming in to the hospital, 40% aren't coming in for Covid. (Yes, people still come in to the hospital for things other than Covid!)
Now, it's not clear from the wording, what percentage are testing positive from Covid. They may be saying that among those young people who tested positive for Covid, 40% didn't present for the Covid. (Yes, as you do more testing, you will capture a lot more asymptomatic cases! So nothing there very surprising).
It says NOTHING about those people being ADMITTED. Again, if they are asymptomatic -- they are sent home with instructions to self-isolate. (They may be admitted if they are extremely high risk, if they are a nursing home resident, etc).
In fact, the article indicates that the rate of hospitalization for young people is very low -- only about 4%.

This is a good lesson is disinformation. Someone completely misunderstands a statistic... then spreads further misinformation about the statistic, creating lots of confusion.

Now, if you can find this supposed 40% anywhere else, please let me know.

 

[MickeyMouse10]

I don't think there is anyway Disney is going delay the opening. There is too much money to be had and lost if they do delay it. You can't blame them though.

It's like if someone knowingly goes into the woods where a senile old coot with a shotgun lives. If they get shot, it isn't the old coot's fault. It's the fool that went into his woods.

 

[xdan0920]

Your friend is making it up or mis-communicated or misunderstood what she is reading. I read hospital records and death certificates for a living.
No death certificate would ever state "Heart attack" -- It would list "myocardial infarction" or "cardiac arrest" --- It would list "cardiac arrest secondary to Covid" --- Because most deaths are ultimately caused by cardiac arrest. AIDS, cancer, infection -- they don't cause the death. They all cause the organ failures that lead to the cardiac arrest that cause the death.

Now, death certificates will list other contributing causes of death. So an autopsy would list incidental positives -- such as a car accident where the victim incidentally was Covid positive. But those aren't being listed as Covid deaths.

The surest confirmation is looking at average deaths -- Do you think there has been a 500% sudden spike in car accidents?? Or... is the most likely reason for the huge massive increase in 2020 deaths due to Covid?

I simplified the language because we are on a Disney message board. As I was typing it out, I thought, perhaps I should be more specific...nah, this guy seems reasonable, I think he’ll understand the message and not be pedantic. Alas.

Anyhoo, believe what you want. I’m telling you it’s happening, and we have no system in place to delineate between with and from Covid. The death certificate has the word Covid on it, it goes into the county Covid count. Which then gets reported to the state.

As far as the rest of your post, OF COURSE people are dying from Covid. But also, people are dying from the lockdown. These two things can both be true. Not every excess death is Covid.

 

[Miss Bella]

I don't think there is anyway Disney is going delay the opening. There is too much money to be had and lost if they do delay it. You can't blame them though.

It's like if someone knowingly goes into the woods where a senile old coot with a shotgun lives. If they get shot, it isn't the old coot's fault. It's the fool that went into his woods.

Didn't they open today?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Please, point to a published source... a transcript, something.

I know for a fact that a patient with a broken leg who tests positive for Covid is NOT being admitted for Covid treatment.

Found something that may be the basis for this misinformation. (evidence that you shouldn't trust "I heard someone say on tv"...):

Younger people coming to ER for other reasons, then testing positive for COVID-19

Statewide and nationally, the age of Florida coronavirus is dropping, but that doesn't mean it should be taken lightly, experts say.

www.local10.com

According to this article, among young people coming in to the hospital, 40% aren't coming in for Covid. (Yes, people still come in to the hospital for things other than Covid!)
Now, it's not clear from the wording, what percentage are testing positive from Covid. They may be saying that among those young people who tested positive for Covid, 40% didn't present for the Covid. (Yes, as you do more testing, you will capture a lot more asymptomatic cases! So nothing there very surprising).
It says NOTHING about those people being ADMITTED. Again, if they are asymptomatic -- they are sent home with instructions to self-isolate. (They may be admitted if they are extremely high risk, if they are a nursing home resident, etc).
In fact, the article indicates that the rate of hospitalization for young people is very low -- only about 4%.

This is a good lesson is disinformation. Someone completely misunderstands a statistic... then spreads further misinformation about the statistic, creating lots of confusion.

Now, if you can find this supposed 40% anywhere else, please let me know.

Might be some confusion by some on what actually constitutes a "hospitalization". Not just a visit to the an ER, but actual admission to the hospital floors for at least an overnight stay (havoc, I know you know this, but I'm not convinced everyone posting here does).

 

[marni1971]

Didn't they open today?

Cast member “previews”.