Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[havoc315]

Because the state dashboards specifically list "hospitalizations" and as explained, that term has as a distinct definition that excludes ER visits.

Florida's data is especially messy. But most states are also reporting the number *currently hospitalized.*

 

[MickeyMouse10]

What? No one should get shot for walking through the woods. If someone who is mentally unstable has a firearm, it should be removed from his possession. Your entire premise is an example of how the situation should not be handled.

LOL, sometimes you just have to avoid areas where trouble might be.

Listen there is a guy named Crazy Mike who lives in my town. He was totally messed up from the Vietnam War or something. He walks around by the river swearing to himself and threatening to stab people's brothers.

If one day I go to my favorite candy shop and by chance he's in front of it, then guess what? I guess I'm not fricking getting any Chocolate Covered Oreos on that day.

 

[Chomama]

Can you please name one? This is not a gotcha trap. I'm looking for primarily dine in restaurants, not bars that serve food. I haven't found any infections associated with a restaurant along the lines of Olive Garden (for example).

That may work in an elementary school where "specials" teachers (art, music, etc.) can go to each classroom. Phys ed could be a problem since most phys ed classes are two "regular" classes combined for one teacher even at the elem level.
I can't see it work in a secondary school. Middle school and high school students take specialized classes that require specialized equipment and materials that cannot be transported. It would be interesting to see teachers transport the entire earth science lab or AP chem lab from classroom to classroom.
Also, a lot of classes are combined grades. At the high school level, AP classes could have 10th, 11th and 12th graders. It would be impossible to have special "wings" of just one grade level.
How do we handle chorus or band with 200 kids? My son's band director said that due to studies of instruments, air and disease spreading, he can only have practice outside. It'll be interesting to see them rehearse for the winter concert outside in the snow.
My admin has no info for us with regards to the start of school. The only thing we've been told is that they've decided to change the online platform we could use (so kids won't even know what to do to try to learn if we're still remote). Smart, huh?

I can honestly name at least 20 here in my town in the last ten days. I can also like Instagram posts in which they announce it. We also had 5 regions bank branches close for Covid cases in staff. Included restaurants are all local so not chains. Examples would be the restaurant that won the best restaurant in the US last year - highlands bar and grill and it’s sister restaurant chez fon fon. That will give you enough to go on I think

 

[Miss Bella]

I am not a fan of fastpass+ at all, but I was not a fan of the plan as of last year with regard to replacements either. If that's what we get moving forward, I think there might be some unhappy people. Maybe Martin as newer info than I do with regard to that, since I have not heard anything new. It does make sense that they would make the change now, though. When it comes back, we can enjoy the "new and improved" system.

I'm not a fan of fast pass plus. What was the plan for the replacement? Is it anything like Disneyland?

 

[mellyf]

No. Teachers are essential. You are essential. You need to be at school teaching children. I get not wanting to, I get being scared, but you have a responsibility.

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No. Teachers are essential. You are essential. You need to be at school teaching children. I get not wanting to, I get being scared, but you have a responsibility.

We also have a responsibility to our families. And to not expose our at-risk family members to the virus. And to our students and our students' families. If there is a safer way to deliver instruction, then that needs to be considered. Believe it or not, I suspect there are very few teachers, including me, who would rather NOT go back to school and be with students. There is a difference between possible passing exposure in a store, etc (and believe me, I am NOT minimizing the risk that grocery store workers, etc deal with on a daily basis) and 20-30 people in a confined space for hours. And I'm actually not scared for myself...I'm concerned for my at-risk husband. And at some point, I'd really like to see my parents again.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Because the state dashboards specifically list "hospitalizations" and as explained, that term has as a distinct definition that excludes ER visits.

Florida's data is especially messy. But most states are also reporting the number *currently hospitalized.*

Thank you both for a breath of fresh air of truth and fact as a lot of us tried doing in words and links that just didn’t seem to work here. I appreciate it and I’m sure others here do also.

 

[Andrew C]

We also have a responsibility to our families. And to not expose our at-risk family members to the virus. And to our students and our students' families. If there is a safer way to deliver instruction, then that needs to be considered. Believe it or not, I suspect there are very few teachers, including me, who would rather NOT go back to school and be with students. There is a difference between possible passing exposure in a store, etc (and believe me, I am NOT minimizing the risk that grocery store workers, etc deal with on a daily basis) and 20-30 people in a confined space for hours. And I'm actually not scared for myself...I'm concerned for my at-risk husband. And at some point, I'd really like to see my parents again.

Teachers should really be deemed essential workers just like a grocery store worker or the associate who works at an Amazon warehouse. We learned this spring that teachers cannot effectively do their jobs remotely (at no fault of their own). I don’t even think closing schools was in the CDC guidance. So schools and teachers should be deemed essential like others, because they really are, and schools should open in the safest way possible. This isn’t a knock against teachers in any way. I have many in my family. But the feds and states have already been making determinations as to who is an essential worker/business and who is not. So this is really not any type of new thing in suggesting.

 

[havoc315]

I can honestly name at least 20 here in my town in the last ten days. I can also like Instagram posts in which they announce it. We also had 5 regions bank branches close for Covid cases in staff. Included restaurants are all local so not chains. Examples would be the restaurant that won the best restaurant in the US last year - highlands bar and grill and it’s sister restaurant chez fon fon. That will give you enough to go on I think

The degree of danger in indoor dining is a good example of an unresolved issue. Personally, I've decided to avoid indoor dining. I'm concerned about being in any indoor environment with recirculated air, with lots of people without masks. (obviously, can't eat and wear a mask).
We know we are seeing lots of spread from bars.

I haven't seen conclusive data about the degree of spread from indoor restaurant dining. There is anecdotal evidence of spread.

But really, this is an area where the experts would have to mostly admit they just don't know yet.

A couple years from now... most of us will have moved on from this and won't even notice... but there will be scientific journals published. With lots of conclusions that would surprise us, if we knew them now.

 

[havoc315]

Teachers should really be deemed essential workers just like a grocery store worker or the associate who works at an Amazon warehouse. We learned this spring that teachers cannot effectively do their jobs remotely (at no fault of their own). I don’t even think closing schools was in the CDC guidance. So schools and teachers should be deemed essential like others, because they really are, and schools should open in the safest way possible. This isn’t a knock against teachers in any way. I have many in my family. But the feds and states have already been making determinations as to who is an essential worker/business and who is not. So this is really not any type of new thing in suggesting.

I agree completely with you about the need for education and the deficiencies in remote teaching.
But that needs to be weighed with the safety issues.
Even assuming Covid is far less dangerous to children (not totally true, but let's go with that assumption).... a crowded school is a petri dish for viral spread. If those kids contract Covid in school.... how many people will they infect on mass transit on the way home (many urban students use mass transit)... when they get home, how many parents and grandparents will they infect?

I WANT to see schools open. With low enough community transmission, I can definitely see opening schools. But in areas of wide community transmission.... you simply can't do it.

 

[legwand77]

That. Is. Not. True.

Asymptomatic Covid presentations are *discharged.*
If you come in with a broken leg, the leg is set in a cast. Covid test would be performed with your lab work. And you'll be sent home. In most cases, the Covid results won't even be back until after you've already left the hospital. But either way, you wouldn't be admitted for a broken leg.

Please, provide any evidence that 40% of Covid hospitalizations are asymptomatic, other than, "I heard someone said they heard someone say on the television"

Well I personally heard it on television along with thousands of others and reported by all media sources spoken by the governor and the head to the Jackson Hospital system, but I am thinking that still might not be good enough. You can find it on youtube. If you want to keep denying it after that well... like you put it so well. Each person is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

 

[WDW Pro]

Disney's purchase orders suggest they believe they will not stay open permanently. I'll try to post more if I'm allowed later this week.

 

[Andrew C]

But that needs to be weighed with the safety issues.

nah. It really doesn’t. Other essential workers, including my wife, were given no such consideration. They have safety protocols in place of course. But you either work or you get the boot. That’s the harsh reality of many right now. Why should teachers, who are maybe the most essential, be excluded?

And parents can have a choice as to whether to send their kids or not.

 

[legwand77]

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We also have a responsibility to our families. And to not expose our at-risk family members to the virus. And to our students and our students' families. If there is a safer way to deliver instruction, then that needs to be considered. Believe it or not, I suspect there are very few teachers, including me, who would rather NOT go back to school and be with students. There is a difference between possible passing exposure in a store, etc (and believe me, I am NOT minimizing the risk that grocery store workers, etc deal with on a daily basis) and 20-30 people in a confined space for hours. And I'm actually not scared for myself...I'm concerned for my at-risk husband. And at some point, I'd really like to see my parents again.

All the essential workers also have a responsibility to their families. There are safer was to distribute food, delivery etc. but stores still have to stay open. Grocery store workers come in to contact with hundreds of people a day, and by primariliy adults (a good percentage of those not wearing masks) whose viral loads are much higher if infected. Staying inside a building for hours.

 

[havoc315]

Well I personally heard it on television along with thousands of others and reported by all media sources spoken by the governor and the head to the Jackson Hospital system, but I am thinking that still might not be good enough. You can find it on youtube. If you want to keep denying it after that well... like you put so well. Each person is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.

I already posted the article, which showed you incorrectly stated it. If there is a youtube video contradicting the article I posted, please post it. If there is a single media source you can post, please post it.

Here is yet another article, citing the 40% from Jackson Hospital system:

DeSantis: COVID was more prevalent than state admitted

The governor downplayed reports that Florida was reporting a record number of cases in the last two weeks.

www.tampabay.com

Once again, confirming that you apparently misheard. It says nothing about asymptomatic people being admitted because of Covid. Here is what it does say:

"For example, DeSantis said, 40% of the people that come into Jackson Health System, Miami-Dade’s largest hospital network, for non-COVID-related medical needs like car accidents or childbirth are testing positive.

“Now they’re asymptomatic. They don’t need to be hospitalized for COVID,‘' he said. “But once somebody tests positive, there’s a whole set of procedures that then get put in place and requires manpower, so that those folks are isolated and the COVID doesn’t spread to other people.”

Now, I could see how you could misunderstand that statement. It's not saying that someone gets admitted because they are asymptomatic Covid. It says once they test positive, there are "procedures." That's true -- If someone is being admitted for non-Covid reasons, and they have Covid, then they need the Covid isolation procedures to prevent spread. If someone who is NOT being admitted but tests positive for Covid, then there are procedures like instructions to self-isolate, DOH notification, contact tracing, etc.

Again, this is why we don't rely on, "I heard someone on TV say..."

 

[havoc315]

nah. It really doesn’t. Other essential workers, including my wife, were given no such consideration. They have safety protocols in place of course. But you either work or you get the boot. That’s the harsh reality of many right now. Why should teachers, who are maybe the most essential, be excluded?

And parents can have a choice as to whether to send their kids or not.

I think you're missing the point --- The STUDENTS are not essential workers.

 

[Andrew C]

I think you're missing the point --- The STUDENTS are not essential workers.

My original post was in response to a post about the adults at school. But my last sentence in my previous post touches on your point. Parents can choose not to send them. I’m not against alternatives for those who want to go this route, at least temporarily.

 

[legwand77]

I already posted the article, which showed you incorrectly stated it. If there is a youtube video contradicting the article I posted, please post it. If there is a single media source you can post, please post it.

Here is yet another article, citing the 40% from Jackson Hospital system:

DeSantis: COVID was more prevalent than state admitted

The governor downplayed reports that Florida was reporting a record number of cases in the last two weeks.

www.tampabay.com

Once again, confirming that you apparently misheard. It says nothing about asymptomatic people being admitted because of Covid. Here is what it does say:

"For example, DeSantis said, 40% of the people that come into Jackson Health System, Miami-Dade’s largest hospital network, for non-COVID-related medical needs like car accidents or childbirth are testing positive.

“Now they’re asymptomatic. They don’t need to be hospitalized for COVID,‘' he said. “But once somebody tests positive, there’s a whole set of procedures that then get put in place and requires manpower, so that those folks are isolated and the COVID doesn’t spread to other people.”

Now, I could see how you could misunderstand that statement. It's not saying that someone gets admitted because they are asymptomatic Covid. It says once they test positive, there are "procedures." That's true -- If someone is being admitted for non-Covid reasons, and they have Covid, then they need the Covid isolation procedures to prevent spread. If someone who is NOT being admitted but tests positive for Covid, then there are procedures like instructions to self-isolate, DOH notification, contact tracing, etc.

Again, this is why we don't rely on, "I heard someone on TV say..."

Did not misunderstand at all, you got it all twisted. Never said someone gets admitted just because they are asymptomatic Covid, just said if they are admitted/hospitalized for other reasons and also test postive for Covid they are counted as a covid hosptalization and put in the Covid ward. It is a burden to the covid units.

He literally said they would not need to be hospitalized for Covid absent the other conditions they came to the hospital for. Like I mentioned previously might be best to go to the source which is easily found but I will link it for you. I am thinking we are saying the same thing



ETA love that thumbnail for the video

 

[havoc315]

My original post was in response to a post about the adults at school. But my last sentence in my previous post touches on your point. Parents can choose not to send them. I’m not against alternatives for those who want to go this route, at least temporarily.

Still misses the issue: Protecting the COMMUNITY.
Much like mask wearing.

Yes, parents can choose not to send their own kids. But for all the parents that do send their kids -- Those kids can become the source of massive community wide spread.

Let's put it this way....... [Footnote, I admit I DONT KNOW... these are questions to defer to the experts]: If you take a town with 10,000 residents, including 1,000 students. If there are currently only about 5 infections per week in the town, and virtually zero deaths... so very limited viral spread..
And if opening the schools was going to increase that to 150 infections per week and 5 deaths per month... Is it worth opening schools?

Or let's look at NYC.... Now, under 20 deaths per day. If re-opening schools brings back 1000+ deaths per day, is it worth re-opening schools?

The question is -- Can schools be re-opened without significantly increasing community spread. I don't know the answer. I doubt you know the answer either.
That's the question that needs to be put to true public health experts, before decisions are made on opening schools.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Disney's purchase orders suggest they believe they will not stay open permanently. I'll try to post more if I'm allowed later this week.

sorry, what is a purchase order?

 

[marni1971]

So they are open.

Testing is a better word.