Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

carolina_yankee

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My point isn't that Disney is losing money on those DVC rooms. I understand the money goes to the owners. My point is that rooms aren't even filling up at a steep discount. That doesn't bode well for the regular hotel rooms Disney does operate and charge customers directly to use.

Additionally, this is not a good look for DVC in the long run. That does have a direct effect on Disney's bottom line.

Oh, it’s definitely a challenging time, no doubt. People aren’t traveling now. But the DVC rental market isn’t a good comparison given the lack of flexibility for last minute cancellations. I know some brokers have worked up various schemes and many owners want to do right by the renters, but it’s very much a risk to rent if you don’t know if you can travel.

Surely affecting Disney and and DVC are the travel quarantines. Again, hard to commit dollars if you don’t know if you can even travel if you want to travel.

Given how DVC surveys everything to death, I can’t imagine they have any data that suggested to them their resorts would book well this fall.
 

Miss Bella

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My point isn't that Disney is losing money on those DVC rooms. I understand the money goes to the owners. My point is that rooms aren't even filling up at a steep discount. That doesn't bode well for the regular hotel rooms Disney does operate and charge customers directly to use.

Additionally, this is not a good look for DVC in the long run. That does have a direct effect on Disney's bottom line.
I know from another board that most people would rather have two beds. I’ve never booked a villa because of the bed situation. My son has no choice this time. He has to make due on a sofa bed. Like I said in my previous post I don’t think a lot of people would know where to find that discount. I wouldn’t and I’ve been several times and frequent more than one disney board.
 

EricsBiscuit

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legwand77

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Overall state positivity rose today to 14.4% from the trend down in the 11 range. Of course concerning, lets investigate why that might be the case. Looking back Florida historically had the same behavior last week 4 days of decline and then a big jump up and then fell back and continued to trend down. While the jump did not occur on the same day last week, one could suspect it is a data dump. Something to watch.

Also looked at where the positivity was high to bring the state rate up. It is all South Florida, Dade county etc. In fact Orange County reported a positivity rate of only 7.4% lowest it has been for a long time, might have to go back to May for that, took a quick look so not sure but it has been at least a month for sure. At the rate it is declining next week it could be 2-3%. I don't think it will but that is the trend .

Orange County has had theme parks open for almost two months, Disney for 2-3 weeks, positivity rate now below the DOH target rate of 10%. Hospitalizations and capacity overall statewide and locally in Orlando is pretty much the same today as it was back in June. All this while case numbers have risen sharply.

There really isn't reason at all to reclose the parks. Masks might be working , mitigation/physical distancing might be working, virus might be mutating to a less dangerous one, might be any or all of the above, but the trends in the Orlando area are looking better.

New numbers out pretty much the trend and reasoning from what I posted yesterday still applies. For Florida it is pretty much is a localalized outbreak in Miami and has been for a while.
 

Jrb1979

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New numbers out pretty much the trend and reasoning from what I posted yesterday still applies. For Florida it is pretty much is a localalized outbreak in Miami and has been for a while.
139 deaths is not trending down. I do agree you your precious parks should stay open. No one is going to them anyways.
 

legwand77

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139 deaths is not trending down. I do agree you your precious parks should stay open. No one is going to them anyways.

First let's look at when the deaths actually happened before anyone can claim trends, up or down. Orange County actually had -1 deaths yesterday. So take the daily reported numbers for what they are unless you believe in reanimation.

But that said yes they have been a higher, and probably will go up a bit more, a good bit of unclassified deaths to still work through. Also note again majority are in Miami.
 

Jrb1979

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First let's look at when the deaths actually happened before anyone can claim trends, up or down. Orange County actually had -1 deaths yesterday. So take the daily reported numbers for what they are unless you believe in reanimation.

But that said yes they have been a higher, and probably will go up a bit more, a good bit of unclassified deaths to still work through. Also note again majority are in Miami.
Florida should be doing more to slow the spread. Mandatory masks statewide and bars should be closed. Masks are now mandatory here where I live now. I'm afraid its probably too late to do anything.
 
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havoc315

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Haven't had time to post in a couple of days.
This is an excellent article demonstrating just how abnormal the current hospital situation is:


Perfect demonstration of the current situation in hot zones:
"Inside the hospitals, doctors told The Daily Beast they were working more than 100 hours a week, and “countless” nurses were out sick. At one Tucson-area hospital, a secondary ICU that closed when things leveled off over the spring recently reopened, and the post-anesthesia care unit was “cannibalized” to house coronavirus patients, according to emergency physician Larry DeLuca. Snyder said one of the hospitals where he works had started housing adult patients in its pediatric towers, and the emergency department was also shuffling beds to make room for COVID-positive patients.

One ICU physician in Tucson, who asked not to be named for fear of employer retaliation, said the official numbers actually underplayed the severity of the crisis. When hospitals reported that 90 percent of their ICU beds and half of their ventilators were in use, the physician said, those numbers included the extra beds and machines they’d brought in for the pandemic. If those percentages ever reached 100, there would be no feasible way for the hospital to scale up."

There is some good news, along with lots and lots of bad news:
The good news: Despite the lack of statewide mandate for masking in Arizona, 90% of people are under local mask mandates.
More good news is that the cases have leveled off and even slightly started to decline in Arizona, with hospitalizations starting to potentially decline.
The bad news is that the state is very much still in a flashing red danger zone, they can't afford for things to get any worse. And being "stable" at such an exceptionally high level is still horrible.

Similarly, in Texas, which enacted statewide masking, it appears that cases and hospitalizations are starting to level off. While that's certainly better than increasing, it's still a horribly high level. Death counts will likely to continue to increase for the remainder of the month.

Florida -- still too early to say whether there is any real progress. The good news is that the number of daily cases has started to possibly show some decline. But positivity rate still stays way above 5%, even way above 10%. Deaths and hospitalizations remain on a steep upward trend. In other words, Florida may be at the early stages of a peak. This is not a level you want to plateau at. Florida is paying the price for failing to take much more aggressive action to combat the virus. With proper actions, Florida would currently be having under 10 deaths per day, not 100+ deaths per day.

The entire Southeast continues to be an area of grave concern. Louisiana, Georgia and Alabama all continue to show very high and growing per capita positive cases.
To get a sense, change in hospitalizations since July 1st:
Alabama: 96% increase in hospitalization
Florida: 36% increase since July 10th (prior to July 10th, data not available)
Georgia: 103% increase since 7/1
Louisiana: 89% increases since 7/1 (especially disturbing, because they were hit early and got a huge drop.. for them, this is a second wave).

Of course, this all poses a danger to having Disney World open: Driving visitors from Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana, spreading the virus.

Nationwide, we have some good news and bad news. The really bad news: Rest of July will be ugly. We will start having 1000+ death days again. Hospitalization rate is very close to our peak.
The good news: Despite the high case count and hospitalization, because of improved therapies and lower average age of infected, the death count is unlikely to get as high as what was happening in New York. The fatality rate appears to be dropping slightly.

The biggest caveat and unknown: Many experts believed the virus would hit a lull in the summer, and strengthen in the fall. So if this current disaster is the summer lull, we could really be in big trouble in the fall as schools re-open, people spend more time indoors, etc. It's really an unknown. But the big danger is: By not totally squashing the virus now, by "accepting" high plateaus as "normal," we could potentially be in for a total disaster. Of course, the current plateau levels already are a complete disaster.
 

legwand77

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1 death is too many. Florida should be doing more to slow the spread. Mandatory masks statewide and bars should be closed. Masks are now mandatory here where I live now. I'm afraid its probably too late to do anything.
If that is the case we need to be doing a lot of other things for every other disease and everything else for that matter.
 

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