Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[disneygeek90]

True, really no need to because they are not anywhere near any capacity concerns. Once the local APs are allowed that is going to bump traffic parks, for resorts it will be a while.

Nothing really to do with capacity concerns. It sounded like WDW would tell the restaurants in Springs what their rooms were looking like so the businesses would know what kind of potential they had for the day. It seems like the numbers are so low they don't even want to make it "public."

 

[ToTBellHop]

Nothing really to do with capacity concerns. It sounded like WDW would tell the restaurants in Springs what their rooms were looking like so the businesses would know what kind of potential they had for the day. It seems like the numbers are so low they don't even want to make it "public."

There’s always 2021 lol

Bookings are currently good for next year. Let’s hope people can wear their masks in 2020 so we can have more fun in 2021.

 

[legwand77]

More good news, some posters were very concerned that hospitalizations in Miami were going to be overwhelmed etc. Not looking like that is going to happen. The rolling 7 day net new Covid hospitalizations have now declined 9 of past 10 days. Also hospitalizations statewide have remained stable or have slightly improved.

 

[Miss Bella]

There’s always 2021 lol

Bookings are currently good for next year. Let’s hope people can wear their masks in 2020 so we can have more fun in 2021.

The low crowds sound like fun to me.

 

[legwand77]

If the trends continue for another week or two this thread is going to be less and less relevant.

Next thread up when will Disney not require masks at Disney? too soon? <---this is a joke

 

[Miss Bella]

If the trends continue for another week or two this thread is going to be less and less relevant.

Next thread up when will Disney not require masks at Disney? too soon? <---this is a joke

It’s already irrelevant. If you need entertainment you can always read the other thread. There’s enough whiners. complainers and negativity over there to make you thank God you don’t see the world through their eyes.

 

[Parker in NYC]

If the trends continue for another week or two this thread is going to be less and less relevant.

Next thread up when will Disney not require masks at Disney? too soon? <---this is a joke

I'm pretty sure that question was asked before they announced them. Thanks for playing.

 

[Polkadotdress]

More good news, some posters were very concerned that hospitalizations in Miami were going to be overwhelmed etc. Not looking like that is going to happen. The rolling 7 day net new Covid hospitalizations have now declined 9 of past 10 days. Also hospitalizations statewide have remained stable or have slightly improved.

Hmmmm...yet the news update seems to state the following for Miami: (the % increase may be lower, but it’s still an increase pushing them well beyond their capacity)

Earlier today, Miami-Dade County's Covid-19 dashboard showed ICU capacity in the county was at 130.20%, up from 127% on Sunday. And as of Monday, 513 Covid-19 ICU admissions were recorded. The ICU bed capacity in the county is 394, according to county data.

Also, there’s this quote from the hospital CEO:
While dozens of hospitals in Florida are reporting 0% of ICU beds available, Miami-Dade's Jackson Health System is teetering every day, the CEO says, adding that they may be preparing for a plan B and C, given the growth in cases.

 

[legwand77]

Hmmmm...yet the news update seems to state the following for Miami: (the % increase may be lower, but it’s still an increase pushing them well beyond their capacity)

Earlier today, Miami-Dade County's Covid-19 dashboard showed ICU capacity in the county was at 130.20%, up from 127% on Sunday. And as of Monday, 513 Covid-19 ICU admissions were recorded. The ICU bed capacity in the county is 394, according to county data.

Showing why it is important to understand the data. The dashboard that posts that number you quote states.

**Percentage represents the number of COVID positive patients utilizing hospital beds does not include the 1,279 acute care and ICU beds that may be converted.

Currently in Miami Dade there are 824 ICU patients with an additional 148 beds available. ICU bed capacity is not 364, it is currently 972

And you can calculate the the 7 day rolling average for the bottom of that dashboard pdf.

They are not well beyond their capacity either or even at capacity with 15% remaining. It has been fluctuating between 15-20% remaining.

ETA the hospital system in Miami Dade is very very busy as they are in one of the worst local outbreak areas currently in the US. But the have plans for it and are handling it according to plan.

 

[legwand77]

It’s already irrelevant. If you need entertainment you can always read the other thread. There’s enough whiners. complainers and negativity over there to make you thank God you don’t see the world through their eyes.

Yes that thread has turned into a bit of an echo chamber

 

[VaderTron]

On the resort side of things, I recently got a 'flash sale' promo email from a DVC rental service I've subscribed to in the past. They usually say something along the lines of, "We have these couple of rooms available (minor discount). Act fast! These will be gone soon!" And usually they are gone within an hour or so.

This time the promo reads this way: "THERE ARE A TON OF RESORTS AVAILABLE".Then they list a number or DVC resorts and say either "most dates in sep and oct" or "every night in (name of month)". After listing several locations they self-truncate the list with "the list goes on...."

That's how empty the resorts are.

Not sure how long it's sustainable to operate under such conditions.

 

[TeriofTerror]

 

[DCBaker]

Here is the tweet from Lauren, for context -

 

[Touchdown]

Here is the tweet from Lauren, for context -

Therefore making the %positive lower and making them look better by skewing data, who’s shocked by this?

I know I’m not.

 

[Miss Bella]

On the resort side of things, I recently got a 'flash sale' promo email from a DVC rental service I've subscribed to in the past. They usually say something along the lines of, "We have these couple of rooms available (minor discount). Act fast! These will be gone soon!" And usually they are gone within an hour or so.

This time the promo reads this way: "THERE ARE A TON OF RESORTS AVAILABLE".Then they list a number or DVC resorts and say either "most dates in sep and oct" or "every night in (name of month)". After listing several locations they self-truncate the list with "the list goes on...."

That's how empty the resorts are.

Not sure how long it's sustainable to operate under such conditions.

There still not offering discounts though. Unless I missed something which is entirely possible I’ve haven’t been paying attention, but aren’t they just offering iAP rates to Sept 30.

I wouldn’t pay rack rate if there was no Covid and the economy was roaring.

 

[legwand77]

Therefore making the %positive lower and making them look better by skewing data, who’s shocked by this?

I know I’m not.

346 tests have been run since 7/13 that wont skew the results In any significant way at all

Zero players test positive for Covid-19 in latest round of testing

Since July 13, no new positive tests have popped up out of 346 players who were tested.

www.google.com

 

[carolina_yankee]

On the resort side of things, I recently got a 'flash sale' promo email from a DVC rental service I've subscribed to in the past. They usually say something along the lines of, "We have these couple of rooms available (minor discount). Act fast! These will be gone soon!" And usually they are gone within an hour or so.

This time the promo reads this way: "THERE ARE A TON OF RESORTS AVAILABLE".Then they list a number or DVC resorts and say either "most dates in sep and oct" or "every night in (name of month)". After listing several locations they self-truncate the list with "the list goes on...."

That's how empty the resorts are.

Not sure how long it's sustainable to operate under such conditions.

That’s not a problem for Disney. That’s a problem for DVC owners. Disney is still getting their money off the membership dues, which cover the operation of those resorts. DVC owners who want to rent out their points before they die (the points, not the owners) are up against a wall.

It should also be noted that brokers aren’t dropping the rental price and it’s now significantly riskier to book a DVC reservation with uncertain refund policies. I’m also reading reports elsewhere that the rental market is collapsing with owners getting $10 - $12 a point now when they were getting $18 and above on their own without going through a broker. I personally would only rent a DVC reservation I knew was 100% refundable.

Whether or not the cash resorts are doing the business Disney wants at this time, I don’t know. They don’t seem to be interested in offering discounts to encourage people, though.

 

[VaderTron]

There still not offering discounts though. Unless I missed something which is entirely possible I’ve haven’t been paying attention, but aren’t they just offering iAP rates to Sept 30.

I wouldn’t pay rack rate if there was no Covid and the economy was roaring.

The DVC resellers are. 20% across the board and deeper discounts on specific DVC resorts on select nights. Old Key West had $165 a night.

 

[peter11435]

Whether or not the cash resorts are doing the business Disney wants at this time, I don’t know. They don’t seem to be interested in offering discounts to encourage people, though.

Most of their cash resorts are still closed. In fact very very few cash rooms are actually open. And they are offering discounts for Florida residents and cast members

 

[VaderTron]

That’s not a problem for Disney. That’s a problem for DVC owners. Disney is still getting their money off the membership dues, which cover the operation of those resorts. DVC owners who want to rent out their points before they die (the points, not the owners) are up against a wall.

It should also be noted that brokers aren’t dropping the rental price and it’s now significantly riskier to book a DVC reservation with uncertain refund policies. I’m also reading reports elsewhere that the rental market is collapsing with owners getting $10 - $12 a point now when they were getting $18 and above on their own without going through a broker. I personally would only rent a DVC reservation I knew was 100% refundable.

Whether or not the cash resorts are doing the business Disney wants at this time, I don’t know. They don’t seem to be interested in offering discounts to encourage people, though.

My point isn't that Disney is losing money on those DVC rooms. I understand the money goes to the owners. My point is that rooms aren't even filling up at a steep discount. That doesn't bode well for the regular hotel rooms Disney does operate and charge customers directly to use.

Additionally, this is not a good look for DVC in the long run. That does have a direct effect on Disney's bottom line.