Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[mickeymiss]

This. If they came out tomorrow and said they are only 10% effective, well then we still need to wear them along with other measures. I don’t get the thinking of there not 100% so why bother.

No of course we should still wear them but many many people think it's essentially 100%.

 

[Heppenheimer]

That's the thing. People are believing and parroting that all masks work. They think the bandana works and the homemade T-shirt masks work. I thought N95 masks were completely effective until this doctor said they weren't and then I wonder what to believe. That doesn't make any one ignorant. It's what the media has been confusing us about since March.

My point is you won't find too many people out in public thinking that the doily on their face isn't working. They think it is 100%.

This isn't a binary choice of something either "working" or "not working", especially on the individual level. Its a matter of risk mitigation, which is about 90% of what all medicine is geared towards.

 

[Jon81uk]

No of course we should still wear them but many many people think it's essentially 100%. I hate to bring up the protests but I lost count of how many people said "we wore masks" as an excuse to be out there without distancing when the rest of us were told not to.

Again, what evidence is there that those people thought they were 100% effective? Distancing isn't 100% effective either. "We wore masks" is a sensible thing to do when you can't distance. But not going out at all is even more sensible. But people have a right to protest too.

 

[DisneyCane]

That's the thing. People are believing and parroting that all masks work. They think the bandana works and the homemade T-shirt masks work. I thought N95 masks were completely effective until this doctor said they weren't and then I wonder what to believe. That doesn't make any one ignorant. It's what the media has been confusing us about since March.

My point is you won't find too many people out in public thinking that the doily on their face isn't working. They think it is 100%.

This is my main issue with the "mask mantra." I'm not "anti-mask." I just think that too many people think that they provide protection and therefore they can ignore social distancing if they are wearing one. Some cloth masks provide some level of prevention but some are doing little if anything but the people wearing them think they are effective.

At least Disney made the policy to have some sort of standard. The general mask mandates essentially say stick something over your face without any guidance about what might actually work.

Nothing short of a bio hazard suit with a dedicated air supply will be 100% effective. Even the name of the N95 mask is because it filters 95% of particles.

 

[Horizons '83]

That's the thing. People are believing and parroting that all masks work. They think the bandana works and the homemade T-shirt masks work. I thought N95 masks were completely effective until this doctor said they weren't and then I wonder what to believe. That doesn't make any one ignorant. It's what the media has been confusing us about since March.

My point is you won't find too many people out in public thinking that the doily on their face isn't working. They think it is 100%.

I've a few friends and in-laws that think the mask thing is funny or stupid and what I tell them is to not listen to the media or politicians but to call their physician and ask them if it makes sense to wear a mask. When you have a medical professional telling you it does or does't, it holds more water than the media or again politicians, which many distrust. Not that all docs are trustworthy, but if you have a family doctor you've used for years, that is a great resource right there. They should also be able to explain that masks aren't immunity, but they are tools to help stop the spread, as proved out by Taiwan and Japan.

 

[Horizons '83]

Multiple testing labs over reporting their numbers by 900% is a big deal. Good for xdan catching this earlier.

Can you help me understand, honest question here, why that matters. They are reporting 100% positivity rate which we know isn't correct but the overall state number is a simple math equation: total positive result tests - lets say 10,000 people tested positive, divided by the total number of administered tests, let's say 100,000. That would give you a 10% positivity rate. Why would it matter if individual labs are reporting incorrect positivity rates when the overall number is based off total numbers ?

 

[Monorail_Orange]

Can you help me understand, honest question here, why that matters. They are reporting 100% positivity rate which we know isn't correct but the overall state number is a simple math equation: total positive result tests - lets say 10,000 people tested positive, divided by the total number of administered tests, let's say 100,000. That would give you a 10% positivity rate. Why would it matter if individual labs are reporting incorrect positivity rates when the overall number is based off total numbers ?

If I'm understanding correctly, the problem is we aren't getting the total numbers...some of these labs are only reporting the positive tests, and not reporting anything at all on the negative tests - so they aren't making it into the "total tests" shown on the dashboard.

 

[Horizons '83]

If I'm understanding correctly, the problem is we aren't getting the total numbers...some of these labs are only reporting the positive tests, and not reporting anything at all on the negative tests - so they aren't making it into the "total tests" shown on the dashboard.

Ah, got you. That was what I didn't understand. If they are only reporting positive numbers, which was always lower then the actual negative numbers, then that is a big problem. That would indicate that the total number should actually be larger than what has been reported. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[WDW Pro]

Can you help me understand, honest question here, why that matters. They are reporting 100% positivity rate which we know isn't correct but the overall state number is a simple math equation: total positive result tests - lets say 10,000 people tested positive, divided by the total number of administered tests, let's say 100,000. That would give you a 10% positivity rate. Why would it matter if individual labs are reporting incorrect positivity rates when the overall number is based off total numbers ?

Because somebody's adjusting the positivity rate way up, which happens to be the number we look at for evidence of a true spike (because you can actually measure that objectively without the need for static testing numbers from month to month). It's the statistic that real government decisions are based on.

 

[Horizons '83]

Because somebody's adjusting the positivity rate way up, which happens to be the number we look at for evidence of a true spike (because you can actually measure that objectively without the need for static testing numbers from month to month). It's the statistic that real government decisions are based on.

Thanks, yes @Monorail_Orange explained that to me. If the total number of tests are under reported because some labs aren't reporting negative tests in that number and only positive tests are being reported then I see where the overall positivity rate would be inflated. I am curious as to how many labs are doing that and to what extent.

 

[lisa12000]

As an aside - the UK all of a sudden took off 30,000 positive test results from the total a couple of weeks ago suggesting that there is a significant problem of double counting going on - still think its happening tbh and therefore we will have adjustments down in the future - and we actually think our figures are pretty robust.

We are also seemingly blanket testing hotspot area (such as Leicester) by going door too door and either swabbing there and then or giving home test kits to everyone - which will always garner more positives than waiting for people to come forward with symptoms but is being politicised by the media as 'second wave' - oh and they also publish a league table of shame of councils where positive cases are going up! and headlining them as "these are the places to next go into local lockdown' - I cannot even tell you how much my area of the UK lives in fear (I wont say that about all places as I dont know) - people only talk about deaths. cases, second wave, masks and bully and abuse people who are exempt from wearing masks even though as today they aren't mandatory - god help us on the 24th when they are

 

[Miss Bella]

Clearly then, you’ve never worked in guest service. Wasn’t there just a notable news story about a guy who rode a Universal attraction and subsequently had a heart attack and died, yet the family is trying to blame Uni since the warning sign wasn’t in Spanish?

Or...there are countless stories about families who leave their purse/wallet/camera in a stroller parked outside an attraction and are shocked when their items are stolen.

OHHH! And there was one time we were riding on the Backlot Tour, and the guy in front of us dropped his iPhone over the edge of the tram during the shaking part of Catastrophe Canyon. He was distraught, because he couldn't get the attention of the Cast Member who was riding in the front of the tram (we were 2nd car from the back). We stuck around after exiting, and heard him GO OFF on the Cast Member since his phone was gone, and that Disney needed to replace it since he didn't know the shaking on the tram would be that bad AND they didn't bother to stop the tram to have it retrieved.

I could go on...

Yeah there will be some morons who will try to blame Disney, but the general public won’t side with them. It’s like swimming in the ocean and getting bitten by a shark or pulled under by a rip tide and trying to sue the city.. You made a choice, you knew the risks end of story.

 

[mickeymiss]

I don't want to see this Orlando report get buried. It's slowly creeping into the media ciruclation. The public deserves to know the real numbers.

 

[Jrb1979]

I look at what they have done where I live in reopening things and a lot of you would lose you mind. We are starting to get into our last stage and just about everything is open now with limited capacity. Theme parks aren't allowed to open and any place that involves large gatherings can't open either. That will stay in play til either a vaccine or better treatment comes along.

 

[DisneyCane]

I look at what they have done where I live in reopening things and a lot of you would lose you mind. We are starting to get into our last stage and just about everything is open now with limited capacity. Theme parks aren't allowed to open and any place that involves large gatherings can't open either. That will stay in play til either a vaccine or better treatment comes along.

Where do you live?

 

[Andrew C]

Where do you live?

You don’t know yet?!?! Ontari-ari-ari-o!!!

 

[mickey0825]

Multiple testing labs over reporting their numbers by 900% is a big deal. Good for xdan catching this earlier.

This is really scary......if true these numbers may be highly overinflated

 

[schuelma]

Tuesday numbers are out. 9K new cases. A record 132 deaths, and positivity rate jumped to over 15%

Link

 

[The Mom]

No politics. Thank you.

 

[havoc315]

Thanks, yes @Monorail_Orange explained that to me. If the total number of tests are under reported because some labs aren't reporting negative tests in that number and only positive tests are being reported then I see where the overall positivity rate would be inflated. I am curious as to how many labs are doing that and to what extent.

That's not actually happening. Some laypeople simply looked at the data without understanding it.

There may be labs that are reporting in different batches... and therefore reporting certain positive results all at once. But ultimately, they are reporting the results of ALL tests.