Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[havoc315]

Tuesday numbers are out. 9K new cases. A record 132 deaths, and positivity rate jumped to over 15%

Link

There is some evidence that Florida has his a case plateau.. but it's not yet clear. Give the case count another week.

But certainly, deaths lag cases. Especially in Florida -- where they use a system where deaths aren't generally immediately reporting, and thus have more delay in death reporting than some other states. As a result, deaths in Florida still have definitely not his their peak. At least on weekdays, deaths of 100+ per day will be the norm for a while.. possibly much higher. It wouldn't be shocking to see that number could rise to hundreds of deaths per day, we just don't really know.

 

[Rider]

KFC closes company-owned dining rooms in Florida because of coronavirus

KFC is closing down its company-owned dining rooms in Florida as the restaurant industry continues to adjust to the growing number of coronavirus cases in the state. “Due to the continued esc…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[marni1971]

Demings: ‘I will not hesitate’ to close theme parks, other businesses in Orange County if linked to COVID-19 outbreaks

Hong Kong Disneyland will close its gates once again due to a second COVID-19 outbreak, but the company said that will not affect any other business operations, such as the Disney parks in and around Orange County.

www.wftv.com

 

[BASS]

That's the thing. People are believing and parroting that all masks work. They think the bandana works and the homemade T-shirt masks work. I thought N95 masks were completely effective until this doctor said they weren't and then I wonder what to believe. That doesn't make any one ignorant. It's what the media has been confusing us about since March.

My point is you won't find too many people out in public thinking that the doily on their face isn't working. They think it is 100%.

This sounds like a strawman. I don't know how many folks actually believe that masks are 100% preventative. Not to be crude, but that's like saying that sex with a condom or birth control is 100% effective to prevent pregnancy. We know that's not the case. But we know that condom or birth control is better than nothing at all. Same applies here.

 

[BASS]

I doubt anybody with half a brain is going to blame Disney for something that was their choice to do.

This is not accurate. I'm an attorney. Plenty of folks do plenty of dumb things and then sue later. Remember, there's always an attorney out there that'll take a case. I'm not arguing with you in the sense that I too believe that personal responsibility and accountability matters. But the legal system does not always view it that strictly.

If I had to spin this . . . "I was concerned about going to Disney. However, I read all about the measures that Disney took to combat the virus and was lulled into thinking that my family could safely enjoy a vacation. Unfortunately, I was mistaken."

These will not be good cases IMO b/c it will be very, very difficult to prove that someone contracted the virus at Disney, but that doesn't mean there isn't an attorney out there that won't try. It'll happen.

 

[mickeymiss]

Demings: ‘I will not hesitate’ to close theme parks, other businesses in Orange County if linked to COVID-19 outbreaks

Hong Kong Disneyland will close its gates once again due to a second COVID-19 outbreak, but the company said that will not affect any other business operations, such as the Disney parks in and around Orange County.

www.wftv.com

That's reasonable. It goes without saying that everyone hopes the park stays healthy. There is a difference between a person testing positive and an oubreak. It benefits us all to have data to help ensure places that take it seriously are successful. I think we all want slivers of hope that some ordinary living can be made safe. Especially if no vaccine or cure is in the pipeline.

 

[legwand77]

More info keeps coming out about case positivity, reported 98% positivity but in reality only 9.4%, another reported 76% vs 6 % reality. That would skew statewide numbers heavily.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

www.fox35orlando.com

Pretty much makes the state positivity numbers not that accurate. Bad error to be making. Especially watching it fluctuate in the 10-20% is pointless.

 

[hopemax]

More info keeps coming out about case positivity, reported 98% positivity but in reality only 9.4%, another reported 76% vs 6 % reality. That would skew statewide numbers heavily.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results

The Florida Department of Health released its daily coronavirus testing report showing a statewide positivity rate of 11 percent, but FOX 35 News investigated and quickly noticed some shocking positivity rates.

www.fox35orlando.com

Pretty much makes the state positivity numbers not that accurate. Bad error to be making. Especially watching it fluctuate in the 10-20% is pointless

I posted in the other thread, but I'll repost numbers here. First, the numbers in the report are cumulative, since the start of the pandemic.

In today's report, the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 512 positive, 98% positivity

I can modify the URL of the report to go back to the 6/28 report and on the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 497 positive, 98%

So in 16 days, Orlando Health recorded an additional 15 positives. That's it. That makes no sense given the size of Orlando Health. That implies to me that these "aren't the test numbers we think they are." I don't know what these 100% lines represent. Maybe specific department, or even specific patient?

For the Orlando Veteran's from the 6/28 report:

32 negative, 51 positive

Today: 32, 101 positive

So a total of 50 new positives over 16 days or about 3 per day.

With these types of daily increases, even if there are missing negatives, they only represent a tiny bit of the overall tests that have run over the course of 4 months. No one should doubt that the daily positivity numbers are wildly inaccurate. For every 100,000 "missing" negatives, the overall positivity (over the whole pandemic) changes about .28%.

 

[legwand77]

The little bit of good news is Orange county dropped below 10% positivity at 9.4%. Lowest it has been in over two weeks. Might even be a tick lower with the reporting anomalies.

 

[legwand77]

I posted in the other thread, but I'll repost numbers here. First, the numbers in the report are cumulative, since the start of the pandemic.

In today's report, the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 512 positive, 98% positivity

I can modify the URL of the report to go back to the 6/28 report and on the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 497 positive, 98%

So in 16 days, Orlando Health recorded an additional 15 positives. That's it. That makes no sense given the size of Orlando Health. That implies to me that these "aren't the test numbers we think they are." I don't know what these 100% lines represent. Maybe specific department, or even specific patient?

For the Orlando Veteran's from the 6/28 report:

32 negative, 51 positive

Today: 32, 101 positive

So a total of 50 new positives over 16 days or about 3 per day.

With these types of daily increases, even if there are missing negatives, they only represent a tiny bit of the overall tests that have run over the course of 4 months. No one should doubt that the daily positivity numbers are wildly inaccurate. For every 100,000 "missing" negatives, the overall positivity (over the whole pandemic) changes about .28%.

yes over the pandemic, but aren't the percentages calculated daily not cumulative. So leaving off the negatives in the daily percentage would be much higher. Over time yes it would not change much but in then daily slice it would.

Orlando health said their positivity is 9.4% with 1-15 positives that would leave anywhere from 50 to 100 negatives not in the calculation for the day.

All that said in the south florida area things are not good. Would not surprise me if they rollback to stay at home

 

[oceanbreeze77]

I posted in the other thread, but I'll repost numbers here. First, the numbers in the report are cumulative, since the start of the pandemic.

In today's report, the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 512 positive, 98% positivity

I can modify the URL of the report to go back to the 6/28 report and on the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 497 positive, 98%

So in 16 days, Orlando Health recorded an additional 15 positives. That's it. That makes no sense given the size of Orlando Health. That implies to me that these "aren't the test numbers we think they are." I don't know what these 100% lines represent. Maybe specific department, or even specific patient?

For the Orlando Veteran's from the 6/28 report:

32 negative, 51 positive

Today: 32, 101 positive

So a total of 50 new positives over 16 days or about 3 per day.

With these types of daily increases, even if there are missing negatives, they only represent a tiny bit of the overall tests that have run over the course of 4 months. No one should doubt that the daily positivity numbers are wildly inaccurate. For every 100,000 "missing" negatives, the overall positivity (over the whole pandemic) changes about .28%.

theres a story, but not the one some people are trying to make it out to be.

 

[Sparksfly]

This is not accurate. I'm an attorney. Plenty of folks do plenty of dumb things and then sue later. Remember, there's always an attorney out there that'll take a case. I'm not arguing with you in the sense that I too believe that personal responsibility and accountability matters. But the legal system does not always view it that strictly.

If I had to spin this . . . "I was concerned about going to Disney. However, I read all about the measures that Disney took to combat the virus and was lulled into thinking that my family could safely enjoy a vacation. Unfortunately, I was mistaken."

These will not be good cases IMO b/c it will be very, very difficult to prove that someone contracted the virus at Disney, but that doesn't mean there isn't an attorney out there that won't try. It'll happen.

Not necessarily too hard to prove if tested negative prior to travel and they stayed on Disney property throughout trip and tested positive after.

 

[legwand77]

theres a story, but not the one some people are trying to make it out to be.

Totally agree with you, when dealing with this amount of data there are going to be some anomalies but not to the extremes either way.

 

[havoc315]

I posted in the other thread, but I'll repost numbers here. First, the numbers in the report are cumulative, since the start of the pandemic.

In today's report, the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 512 positive, 98% positivity

I can modify the URL of the report to go back to the 6/28 report and on the Orlando Health line says:

10 negative, 497 positive, 98%

So in 16 days, Orlando Health recorded an additional 15 positives. That's it. That makes no sense given the size of Orlando Health. That implies to me that these "aren't the test numbers we think they are." I don't know what these 100% lines represent. Maybe specific department, or even specific patient?

For the Orlando Veteran's from the 6/28 report:

32 negative, 51 positive

Today: 32, 101 positive

So a total of 50 new positives over 16 days or about 3 per day.

With these types of daily increases, even if there are missing negatives, they only represent a tiny bit of the overall tests that have run over the course of 4 months. No one should doubt that the daily positivity numbers are wildly inaccurate. For every 100,000 "missing" negatives, the overall positivity (over the whole pandemic) changes about .28%.

Good analysis. Reality is -- when data looks funky to a layperson -- One shouldn't just jump to some sort of conspiracy. There could be something erroneous going on, it is certainly possible. But more often than not, it's simply that the raw data is being misunderstood by the layperson.

 

[BASS]

Not necessarily too hard to prove if tested negative prior to travel and they stayed on Disney property throughout trip and tested positive after.

That's also awfully impractical. Consider, first, how many folks will actually get tested prior to a trip and in such a way that excludes contracting it from some other means (such as airport, for example). Then, how many folks are actually limited to the Disney bubble and do not go off-site for restaurants, gas, markets, etc. Causation and correlation are different things. I suspect we will see these cases but it seems to me it'll be pretty hard to pursue.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Good analysis. Reality is -- when data looks funky to a layperson -- One shouldn't just jump to some sort of conspiracy. There could be something erroneous going on, it is certainly possible. But more often than not, it's simply that the raw data is being misunderstood by the layperson.

also with the virus surging, data is picking up right now and its really being pumped out at an accelerating rate, leaving room for error.

In Houston the fax machines are literally exploding with paper faxes coming in.

 

[legwand77]

also with the virus surging, data is picking up right now and its really being pumped out at an accelerating rate, leaving room for error.

In Houston the fax machines are literally exploding with paper faxes coming in.

using fax machines is indicative of the problems

 

[Touchdown]

using fax machines is indicative of the problems

Thank HIPAA for that, fax=phone call and doesn’t require enhanced privacy software, email=electronic documentation and thus needs to be secure.

 

[Horizons '83]

theres a story, but not the one some people are trying to make it out to be.

There is certainly a story to be told. Another example, although anecdotal of course, my niece made an appointment at CVS to get tested and she cancelled it. A few days later she got a call back saying she tested positive.

 

[kong1802]

There is certainly a story to be told. Another example, although anecdotal of course, my niece made an appointment at CVS to get tested and she cancelled it. A few days later she got a call back saying she tested positive.

I've seen similar stories start to pop up on my FB feed. Wondering how widespread this is and if it can be quantified? And are those erroneous calls/texts being reported? Or are they contacting the wrong people?