Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[HauntedPirate]

I don't know what you all are talking about, things at DL and WDW are just fine and dandy. Things are so good that Iger even said on CNBC there's room for ticket prices to go up more!

[--Iger says they [TWDC] see consumers “willing to step up and pay for products they believe in.” The key is that the company has to continue to invest—in attractions like the new Cars Land.



Disney has been increasing pricing at the parks and Iger said there’s still “room to increase pricing” further.--]

I mean, he wouldn't say something like that if the rubes... I mean, guests... were noticing the faster-than-inflation ticket price increases, AA's that don't work, paying more and more for lower quality food, stale parades, unkempt queues and resort grounds, reduced operating hours for the monorail, lack of new attractions/investment in 3 of the 4 Florida parks... would he?

 

[flynnibus]

Its not half the amount of a deluxe suite (I just priced it again) and what part of the word Value do you not understand? You seem to be thinking the way TDO is thinking, and thats why it's not doing well.

Which 'deluxe suite' are you comparing it to? Because most deluxes aren't suites at all to start with.. sans the villas.

Here is an ACCURATE comparison of prices

AoA suite, regular period Feb 26- Mar 8 weekday rate $304
ASM room, same time period $107, so $214 equivalent
ASM family suite, same time period $254
Poly room, same time period $465 - $615

So yes, you can see how the room can be almost half of a deluxe ROOM vs value SUITE.

If you goto some of the cheapest deluxe.. like the WL.. the same dates are $325-$370

If you compare it to an actual deluxe SUITE - the prices are over a thousand a night.

To compare to a villa - the AKL 1 bedroom (which sleeps 5) - $500 night for the same time period

So AKL = $500, Poly = $465-$615, and AoA = $304

So yes, when you do an actual apples to apples comparison - you see the established rates are at a value pricing vs equivalent deluxes.

Promotional rates are going to vary as demand shakes out.

 

[alissafalco]

I just want to clarify that I haven't actually looked up the prices or availability for Art of Animation myself, but when my Dad checked to see if there were any rooms available for early October, he said that everything was booked solid. So, if that's the case, I'm not sure if it's exactly "not doing well."

Ok, wrong choice of words.. "AoA isnt sizzling"

 

[ellie-badge]

Ok, wrong choice of words.. "AoA isnt sizzling"

I didn't mean to say you were wrong, I was just passing on what my pop told me.

 

[marni1971]

Lol do you know anything about business? 1% after 40 years with your number one park having triple the attendance of both universal parks combined. Universal gained 29% and yet it is still lower than what it was ten years..that is good? God troll you have no.idea what you are talking about

You're making lots of new friends here arent you?

This thread is turning into is a great read. Especially about how it's all in Igers and TDOs masterplan.

 

[devoy1701]

Is it too early to call this a victory (albeit a minor one)? It seems that it's more than just "a few of us" who have speaking to TDO with our wallets. It seems that those "new breed of guests" who don't care about the Disney Quality or the Disney Way aren't coming in droves as anticipated...or that the issues seen within Disney World are infact more noticable than TDO and the PD Brigade seem would have you believe, and the issues are noticable to visitors beyond just those trained and versed in Disney Theme Park History and Fanboism. It sounds like more people are willing to stay away and be steadfast to say "what's new since I was last there that warrants a price 15%, 25%, or 40% higher than what I paid last year?"

Disney World can't, and shouldn't be able to get by on a marketing campaign that tries to pitch it as a Value Vacation while they continuously trim all of that value that makes it such a wonderful and unique vacation destination away. I'm glad TDO is getting antsy. I just wonder how long it's going to take for them to about course, and who's head(s) is/are going to roll because of the direction they're currently heading, and why they didn't listen to the concerns earlier?

It's been 18 months since we've been to Disney World which is a big deal considering we used to go 3-4 times a month. We'll be heading back to Disneyland before we make it back to WDW.

 

[GLaDOS]

I just want to clarify that I haven't actually looked up the prices or availability for Art of Animation myself, but when my Dad checked to see if there were any rooms available for early October, he said that everything was booked solid. So, if that's the case, I'm not sure if it's exactly "not doing well."

Just curious on when you're looking. Because I just put in for the first week in October and every room type is available.

 

[devoy1701]

You're making lots of new friends here arent you?

This thread is turning into is a great read. Especially about how it's all in Igers and TDOs masterplan.

dangit...i was really hoping that I wasn't going to have to read through all 25 pages. (I stopped at 6 last night). But with a comment like this it's now begging me!

 

[alissafalco]

Which 'deluxe suite' are you comparing it to? Because most deluxes aren't suites at all to start with.. sans the villas.

Here is an ACCURATE comparison of prices

AoA suite, regular period Feb 26- Mar 8 weekday rate $304
ASM room, same time period $107, so $214 equivalent
ASM family suite, same time period $254
Poly room, same time period $465 - $615

So yes, you can see how the room can be almost half of a deluxe ROOM vs value SUITE.

If you goto some of the cheapest deluxe.. like the WL.. the same dates are $325-$370

If you compare it to an actual deluxe SUITE - the prices are over a thousand a night.

To compare to a villa - the AKL 1 bedroom (which sleeps 5) - $500 night for the same time period

So AKL = $500, Poly = $465-$615, and AoA = $304

So yes, when you do an actual apples to apples comparison - you see the established rates are at a value pricing vs equivalent deluxes.

Promotional rates are going to vary as demand shakes out.

I meant Deluxe not Deluxe suite, sorry for the confusion. Now, according to your findings a suite in AoA is $304 a night and a standard room at WL is $325 a night. So, thats not the same price??? Ok, AoA is a whole $20 cheaper. WOW! What a VALUE!! Sorry but I'm choosing WL. Thats my point, and thats why "AoA isnt sizzling".

 

[Master Yoda]

Which 'deluxe suite' are you comparing it to? Because most deluxes aren't suites at all to start with.. sans the villas.

Here is an ACCURATE comparison of prices

AoA suite, regular period Feb 26- Mar 8 weekday rate $304
ASM room, same time period $107, so $214 equivalent
ASM family suite, same time period $254
Poly room, same time period $465 - $615

So yes, you can see how the room can be almost half of a deluxe ROOM vs value SUITE.

If you goto some of the cheapest deluxe.. like the WL.. the same dates are $325-$370

If you compare it to an actual deluxe SUITE - the prices are over a thousand a night.

To compare to a villa - the AKL 1 bedroom (which sleeps 5) - $500 night for the same time period

So AKL = $500, Poly = $465-$615, and AoA = $304

So yes, when you do an actual apples to apples comparison - you see the established rates are at a value pricing vs equivalent deluxes.

Promotional rates are going to vary as demand shakes out.

It would be apples to apples if you could fit 6 people in a deluxe, got a kitchen, had 2 bathrooms and had a separate bedroom with a king size bed. There really is not a comparable room configuration at a deluxe until you start looking at DVC rooms. The cash price of a 1br villa at WL starts at $485 and you sill do not get the second bath room or the 6th guest.

 

[alissafalco]

I didn't mean to say you were wrong, I was just passing on what my pop told me.

I know, no problem

 

[flynnibus]

It would be apples to apples if you could fit 6 people in a deluxe, got a kitchen, had 2 bathrooms and had a separate bedroom with a king size bed. There really is not a comparable room configuration at a deluxe until you start looking at DVC rooms. The cash price of a 1br villa at WL starts at $485 and you sill do not get the second bath room or the 6th guest.

I know - I was trying to give her SOME benefit of doubt. People who don't need the # per room really overlook how significant it is to get that many people in a room. As you said, the only real comparable are the Villas.

I know the root of the rumor.. people compare AoA suites to things like WL or Deluxes on discount or renting villas. But hey, why let facts get in the way of the rants

 

[flynnibus]

I meant Deluxe not Deluxe suite, sorry for the confusion. Now, according to your findings a suite in AoA is $304 a night and a standard room at WL is $325 a night. So, thats not the same price??? Ok, AoA is a whole $20 cheaper. WOW! What a VALUE!! Sorry but I'm choosing WL. Thats my point, and thats why "AoA isnt sizzling".

See, you are comparing completely different things - exactly as I stated in the first post. You're comparing a SINGLE HOTEL ROOM with only a room and bathroom... to two bedroom, two bath, kitchenette, that sleeps an additional person.

You're comparing completely different offerings and using it to judge the 'value' label. Try comparing AoA to the 1 or 2 bedroom villas. That's what you need to buy to get the same thing, at the deluxe level vs 'value' level.

 

[Bolna]

Which 'deluxe suite' are you comparing it to? Because most deluxes aren't suites at all to start with.. sans the villas.

Here is an ACCURATE comparison of prices

AoA suite, regular period Feb 26- Mar 8 weekday rate $304
ASM room, same time period $107, so $214 equivalent
ASM family suite, same time period $254
Poly room, same time period $465 - $615

So yes, you can see how the room can be almost half of a deluxe ROOM vs value SUITE.

If you goto some of the cheapest deluxe.. like the WL.. the same dates are $325-$370

If you compare it to an actual deluxe SUITE - the prices are over a thousand a night.

To compare to a villa - the AKL 1 bedroom (which sleeps 5) - $500 night for the same time period

So AKL = $500, Poly = $465-$615, and AoA = $304

So yes, when you do an actual apples to apples comparison - you see the established rates are at a value pricing vs equivalent deluxes.

Promotional rates are going to vary as demand shakes out.

Thanks for actually putting numbers into the game. However, I think the problem people have with the AoA pricing is that the suite is actually more than the price of two rooms. That was already the case for the ASM family suites, but now it is even more obvious. If you look at the AK one bedroom, it is less than double the price of an AKL room.

I actually had a look to make sure that I compare apples with apples. So let's take a AKL standard view room, that is $340 per weekday in the time frame you used above. The AKL Jambo house standard view 1 bedroom villa is $580. That is a 71% increase.

For AoA the regular room is 126 - compared with the suite at $304. This is 141% increase.

Or if you want to compare it like this: The AKL room is 170% more expensive than the AoA room. The AKL 1-bedroom villa however is only 91% more expensive than the AoA suite.

This is why people think that there is something wrong using the description as "Value" in connection with the AoA suites.

 

[EOD K9]

Just to make this thread more interactive....here is a new game....from here on out.....EVERYONE must work in the word "fanboi" or fanboi variation to their posts. I'll start....Everyone on here is a fanboi or a fanboy hater. Have at it! BTW, have a Magical Disney Day!!!!

 

[TimeTrip]

I meant Deluxe not Deluxe suite, sorry for the confusion. Now, according to your findings a suite in AoA is $304 a night and a standard room at WL is $325 a night. So, thats not the same price??? Ok, AoA is a whole $20 cheaper. WOW! What a VALUE!! Sorry but I'm choosing WL. Thats my point, and thats why "AoA isnt sizzling".

Where is the wall-banging smiley when you need it? Do you actually know what an AoA suite is?

 

[Bolna]

It would be apples to apples if you could fit 6 people in a deluxe, got a kitchen, had 2 bathrooms and had a separate bedroom with a king size bed. There really is not a comparable room configuration at a deluxe until you start looking at DVC rooms. The cash price of a 1br villa at WL starts at $485 and you sill do not get the second bath room or the 6th guest.

Well, the AoA suites only have a queen bed in the master bedroom as far as I have read. Also, the kitchen is more like the kitchenette in the DVC studios: small fridge, sink and microwave. Oh, and a AKL Kidani villa would get you the second bathroom (besides the king bed, a real kitchen, washer and dryer) just not the six person.

 

[wdwmagic]

IMPORTANT

I've been watching this thread unfold, and I would like to bring something to people's attention. Name calling and insults, just because you don't agree with an opinion, is not something that is OK here. Please can we maintain some respect for others, and try to continue discussion in a good nature. I understand some of you are very passionate about your opinion, but if done with more courtesy, this can be a much more pleasant place for everyone.

 

[alissafalco]

See, you are comparing completely different things - exactly as I stated in the first post. You're comparing a SINGLE HOTEL ROOM with only a room and bathroom... to two bedroom, two bath, kitchenette, that sleeps an additional person.

You're comparing completely different offerings and using it to judge the 'value' label. Try comparing AoA to the 1 or 2 bedroom villas. That's what you need to buy to get the same thing, at the deluxe level vs 'value' level.

I get that, but the point I'm trying to make is that if I can afford to pay $325 a night, I'm choosing a Deluxe standard room at WL over the Value Suite at AoA. I don't care that I don't have an extra bathroom, I'd rather be in a Deluxe.

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean what I'm saying is a "rant".

 

[ellie-badge]

Just curious on when you're looking. Because I just put in for the first week in October and every room type is available.

My Dad was looking between October 9th (my birthday) and I think he may have said the 11th, I'm not sure but I can't imagine too much longer than that, as I'd be in the middle of college at the time. I'm trying to check for myself right now, but the website doesn't seem to want to cooperate with me.