Disney(World) vs. Disney(land)?

[WDW1974]

They always knew they would have to return to WDW but Iger had way bigger fish to fry. And by the performance of the company it is obvious his strategy is working. They fixed the things that needed most fixing first. You don't spread your talent so thin that you lose effectiveness.

Really? Did The Weatherman share this with you during one of your fishing trips to Montana?

You do realize that if you removed The Avengers and ESPN from the equation just how bad things would look, right? You do realize that Disney isn't going to give specific WDW numbers because they aren't anything you want publicized?

I also noticed they specifically mentioned investing in WDW's infrastructure which has been very expensive to fix. Again this was a setting of priorites. What good would it do to give in to your tantrums for blinky lights and new omnimovers if the sewers don't work and your transportation system is in trouble???

WDW's transportation system is fixed?!?! HOW?!?!

The monorails can barely be kept runnning. They haven't added or expanded anything, but buses. Again ... share that JT wisdom ...

Now that he has saved the DLR, WDW's infrastructure, the networks, animation, merchandising etc, they can focus on giving you your play time. All your spirited carping did nothing to distract the sheriff from what he had to do.

To think otherwise is a bit kooky.

He didn't save anything. DLR needed fixing and it got some. It still needs more. WDW's infrastructure is crumbling ... a few years ago they had to do a last minute partial repave of the EPCOT parking lot or they would have had to call off the Disney Marathon. ESPN did fine long before Iger and is doing fine now. ABC has its issues. Animation has improved under JOHN LASSETER's control ... seriously, JT you are a hoot, you just make crap up as you go along and hope it sticks.

 

[NoChesterHester]

I assure you Uni does not want to get into a serious battle with the mouse.

But if they are that dumb, well we would all be the winners.

Part 1 - BS. Uni is doing direct battle with the mouse. They are hunting with a bazooka. The mouse hasn't retaliated yet.

Part 2 - You are completely right, if this battle goes nuclear we will all win.

 

[jt04]

I'll be very pleased when we start seeing improvements in WDW.

But WDW has been neglected for 10 years and there is a lot of work left to be done. The only infrastructure stuff they've done is NextGen related. But that could improve soon too. I'm hoping for transportation infrastructure, and that may be some where on the radar, though far down in the queue.

This just is false. Much of the infrastructure is out of view. A lot of money went into the monorail, busses etc. Then all the rehabs at the MK and WS. The investment to fix stuff that was neglected for far too long is massive. Add another half billion for the FLE, at least that for NextGen and all sorts of hotel adds and improvements and I think it is safe to say WDW has received at least as much capital as the DLR. Probably much more.

 

[NoChesterHester]

I'll be very pleased when we start seeing improvements in WDW.

But WDW has been neglected for 10 years and there is a lot of work left to be done. The only infrastructure stuff they've done is NextGen related. But that could improve soon too. I'm hoping for transportation infrastructure, and that may be some where on the radar, though far down in the queue.

Truth. Properly addressing the infrastructure is the scary expensive stuff. Makes Cars Land look like a drop in the bucket.

Oh so much to do. The resort looks relatively the same as it did during the millennium celebration.

 

[WDW1974]

Less than a year ago you were burying Iger and now you want to be his personal valet. Excuse me, I need to puke my guts out.

JT, stop LYING and misrepresenting my posts and opinions.

I want Iger gone tomorrow ... I've wanted him gone for years. He isn't the worst exec. But he has no passion for the company and creativity. He cares about technology and his own bottom line. He has done some good, but largely has continued much of the bad practices of Eisner's last years. Again, I want him gone to politics like he wants.

Many people that work for Disney do too ... please remember this when he resigns a lot sooner than his already handed in resignation letter says.

 

[spacemt354]

Please explain how I am a trolls and you are nos. I think I know your answer, I use logic and am not attacking TDO so that means I am a trolls while you who has added.nothing.to.the conversation is not a trolls because you like to attack TDO and think that Disney is failing

The logic is flawed. It's way too general and you are overlooking the fact that there would be more than a 9% increase if Disney World was pulling its own weight in terms of profits. The expansion of DCA and DCL covered up for the staleness/loses in Orlando. It's quite obvious. The only positives that can come out of this is that maybe these numbers will finally force TDO's hand, and the consumer will get some great new additions in the near future before the storm really hits.

Also you have to use correct grammar dude to be taken seriously. This.is.not.a.sentence.

 

[Tiggerblood]

JT, stop LYING and misrepresenting my posts and opinions.

I want Iger gone tomorrow ... I've wanted him gone for years. He isn't the worst exec. But he has no passion for the company and creativity. He cares about technology and his own bottom line. He has done some good, but largely has continued much of the bad practices of Eisner's last years. Again, I want him gone to politics like he wants.

Many people that work for Disney do too ... please remember this when he resigns a lot sooner than his already handed in resignation letter says.

Such and awful person I means everything he does is just a failure. Disney should hire you to be CEO since you know everything right?

 

[jt04]

Really? Did The Weatherman share this with you during one of your fishing trips to Montana?

You do realize that if you removed The Avengers and ESPN from the equation just how bad things would look, right? You do realize that Disney isn't going to give specific WDW numbers because they aren't anything you want publicized?



WDW's transportation system is fixed?!?! HOW?!?!

The monorails can barely be kept runnning. They haven't added or expanded anything, but buses. Again ... share that JT wisdom ...



He didn't save anything. DLR needed fixing and it got some. It still needs more. WDW's infrastructure is crumbling ... a few years ago they had to do a last minute partial repave of the EPCOT parking lot or they would have had to call off the Disney Marathon. ESPN did fine long before Iger and is doing fine now. ABC has its issues. Animation has improved under JOHN LASSETER's control ... seriously, JT you are a hoot, you just make crap up as you go along and hope it sticks.

Yeah the company is such a mess it might as well shut down. Your template is crumbling, your propaganda is clear for all to see and soon you will have to admit exactly what you have been shoveling since you joined this forum.

Of course I know you will leave before you ever admit you were wrong about everything.

 

[WDW1974]

Our resident cynics claimed both the Pixar and the Marvel purchases would be Iger's undoing. I even believe a certain spirit claimed The Avengers would underperform in a John Carter sort of way.

Know nothings.

No, I never said Avengers would be anything less than a big hit. And Iger had zero to do with it, ya know. It was financed by Paramount/Viacom and Disney paid for the rights and made a fortune.

But stop the lying. That's a JT 2009 deal and I'm not playing that with you.

 

[WDW1974]

Umm, profits increased too. Essentially the only thing not showing great growth is WDW and they are getting to that now. They had to fix the infrastructure and create enough accomadations for the future crowds.

Right.

They needed more rooms and timeshares that they can't fill nightly without discounting regularly --- and often massively.

And still waiting on the infrastructure improvements ... I guess you're talking about a few facades on Main Street, not things like roadways, monorail beams, water bridges, plumbing etc.

 

[The Duck]

WOW! I just read all 22 pages in one sitting and now I'm exhausted!
I've tried to remain realistically optimistic about WDW over the years but I'm so glad that some of the folks at TWDC are having a harsh dose of reality served to them.
I predict that we're going to see a Disney soap opera that we can tell our grandchildren about.
Thanks again Spirit, for keeping us informed. I see this thread being bumped for quite a while.

 

[WDW1974]

I assure you Uni does not want to get into a serious battle with the mouse.

But if they are that dumb, well we would all be the winners.

You are so far off, it's ridiculous.

You do see what UNI is adding to its parks, both here and in Hollywood and abroad, right?

You do know that their execs are passionate about the theme park business and bullish on its future and are actively throwing money into bar-raising projects, right?

Or do you and the newbie just want to get the discussion off-track by spouting total BS?

 

[Jim Handy]

This just is false. Much of the infrastructure is out of view. A lot of money went into the monorail, busses etc. Then all the rehabs at the MK and WS. The investment to fix stuff that was neglected for far too long is massive. Add another half billion for the FLE, at least that for NextGen and all sorts of hotel adds and improvements and I think it is safe to say WDW has received at least as much capital as the DLR. Probably much more.

Transportation is in shambles. Busses cost a fortune to run and get costlier every day. The monorail trains are on their last legs and the 40/30 year old beam way needs a little work.

World Showcase is an area that has been kept up well. Most of DAK's attractions need work, Space Mountain had a botched refurb, CoP, Splash, JC, Pirates, Peter Pan have all been neglected. We all know the story with Future World. The attractions DHS does have are in fair shape, but that park is one hell of a mess. And then there is PI. Not to mention, besides cuts, entertainemnt has been ignored.

The only hotel changes have been DVC.

They added AoA which is definitely the nicer "value" resort, so I guess I'll label that positive, same with Fantasyland. HM got a good refurb. BTMRR left some things out bit was a decent job. But refurbishments are nothing we shouldn't expect.

WDW has spent more than DL. No doubt. But much of that is NextGen. A completely unnecessary effort. NextGen is the kind of thing you roll out when your parks have been well taken care of. Tap to pay, enhanced Fastpass, interactive queues, interactive elements in attractions, interactive games and other elements associated with NextGen are icing on the cake type of things. They are the extra mile things that have always made Disney different. But they mean nothing next to old and dilapidated attractions. I may not agree with the entire program regardless of when it was rolled out, but I would be more tolerant.

Has WDW spent more than DL? I'd say so. Which makes sense, considering there's a lot more to spend on. But the spending hasn't been on pace.

I pointed out some positives in this post. I hope you all can see I'm not all doom and gloom. I do believe WDW has made some right moves. Some things done with good intentions but were misguided. Some things were done with bad intentions. It can get better, and I'm now confident it will.

 

[71jason]

Now they have fixed WDW's infrastructure and added enough on-site hotels to handle the crowds that will return in the near future.

Word on another site has WDW hotels stuck at around 60% occupancy. The crowds are not returning--and guests who are returning are staying in a better room at a lower price that's as equally convenient to IoA as it is to WDW.

BTW, saw a bartender catch a mouse behind the bar at a DELUXE hotel this week. Appropos of nothing...

 

[RSoxNo1]

What does any of this have to do with the new bathrooms going into the American Adventure?

 

[sweetpee_1993]

But rises in money in all aspects shows growth and increase.

Let's explain it like this:

Yes, Disney company as a whole reported great numbers. Parks & Resorts looks wonderful. On a scale of 1 to 10 they hit a solid 9.8. (The numbers scale is pure analogy, bear with me.) The point these folks are trying to make is that the sum of all the parks added together made that total number good. The fact that there was an obvious omission of WDW's piece of that 9.8 score while specific mention was thrown for the huge contributions from Tokyo (which Disney doesn't even own, it's all a license agreement), Disneyland, and Disney Cruise Line speaks volumes. Again, the sum of the numbers is good. But that number breakdown is more like:

Tokyo: 2.5
Disneyland: 3.5
Disney Cruise: 3.0
WDW: 0.8

It's obvious when one of the bunch there isn't pulling its weight. The way TDO keeps their numbers looking okay is they cut spending by reducing offerings, cutting budgets, etc. basically they spend less but charge the guest more. It's not a healthy business model. At some point consumers get tired of spending more to get less.

 

[sweetpee_1993]

My best friend works for Hyatt and he can't even get a room at the Hyatt Regency near Disney for less than $200 a night lol

Have you priced the moderates lately? They push this sort of rate but don't even come close to the quality.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Did anyone catch how Disney are trying to promote 7D has a mountain... Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill...

 

[wm49rs]

Have you priced the moderates lately? They push this sort of rate but don't even come close to the quality.

No, but I just priced the Hyatt Regency Grand Cypress. Lake-view rooms for 2 adults and 2 kids at $146.65/night. I guess it is possible to get rooms there for less than $200.....

 

[TalkingHead]

Did anyone catch how Disney are trying to promote 7D has a mountain... Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill...

I assume you're talking about this from the official blog: "As previously planned, the New Fantasyland expansion will continue with the opening of Princess Fairytale Hall in 2013 and the debut of a new Disney “mountain” in the form of the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train in 2014."

No wonder they're nervous in the halls of TDO.

When you gotta make a kiddy coaster sound like the next Splash Mountain, you know you're in trouble.