Disney Springs Plans: What do they mean?

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jt04

jt04

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DisneyGuyNYC said:
That technology is just so wasteful. Having lived abroad and in NYC most of my life I just can't believe everyone else feels like they need their own personal vehicle especially over great distances. So wasteful.
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The capabilities will amaze people. And I think we will see it within 10 years. Personal vehicles will still make sense for some but leases and contracted vehicle services are definitely the future.

Here is a blog that is documenting the evolution of personal flight technology...

http://blog.cafefoundation.org/
 
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twebber55

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jt04 said:
High speed rail would make sense if we were not on the cusp of personal self-navigating cars and planes. That technology is emerging faster than anyone could have anticipated.

Hyperion Wharf is still happening. It is just that now it will be renamed and newer, bolder and with sparkling new parking complexes. Seems they took my advice and added those. Happy to help.
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mag lev trains will eventually get here in america no doubt. they are big in europe and asia
 
jt04

jt04

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twebber55 said:
mag lev trains will eventually get here in america no doubt. they are big in europe and asia
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I am not so sure except for extremely high traffic corridors such as New York/Boston or New York to Washington DC. The distances favor air travel as a general rule in the US.
 
rael ramone

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NoChesterHester said:
Man... I can't believe I am about to defend JT...

I can verify that traditional mall traffic and sales per square foot has dropped steadily over the past decade, perhaps longer. The traditional mall as a model is well on its way out. Sure there are exceptions... It isn't just due to the Internet either. Lots of factors have contributed.

Lifestyle Centers dominate the retail business now, but their numbers aren't always spectacular either, partially due to the predominance of unrealistic price points. This will be no exception. They want people to shop here that are interested in maxing out the credit cards.
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In a lot of areas there has been a shift from malls to lifestyle centers, and the reason can be summed up in two words:

Goth Kids

It's why in some areas malls are a mixture of teen retailers, fringe type independent stores, and shuttered retail, and why some lifestyle centers blast classical music at full volume.
 
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MattM

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WDW1974 said:
I think an argument for public money can be made, but I wouldn't want to make it in this economy with TWDC basking in record profits and an allt-time stock high. The traffic is caused by their development and they really should just pay for the whole thing ... WDW may be doing well, but Central Florida is in no way recovered from the economic slide that began in 2007. Public money should not go to multi-billion corporations that want a more convenient way for guests to bypass outside businesses and come right into their new parking garages.
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Agreed. Public dollars should rarely be used for the of benefit private enterprises.
 
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MattM

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alphac2005 said:
And unfortunately, public dollars are generally used for the benefit of private enterprises. ;)
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This is true. I don't necessarily have a problem with a local govt giving money (in terms of tax breaks, etc) to a small business who is taking over what was an abandoned building on a city's main street, or similar scenarios. But to think a local govt should fund an interstate exit that benefits one company (though you could argue it benefits multiple companies in this case), and that company took in FAR more in the past quarter than the local government does over several years...that just isn't right.
 
alphac2005

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MattM said:
This is true. I don't necessarily have a problem with a local govt giving money (in terms of tax breaks, etc) to a small business who is taking over what was an abandoned building on a city's main street, or similar scenarios. But to think a local govt should fund an interstate exit that benefits one company (though you could argue it benefits multiple companies in this case), and that company took in FAR more in the past quarter than the local government does over several years...that just isn't right.
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Absolutely. (Some posts require nothing else to say.)
 
flynnibus

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MattM said:
This is true. I don't necessarily have a problem with a local govt giving money (in terms of tax breaks, etc) to a small business who is taking over what was an abandoned building on a city's main street, or similar scenarios. But to think a local govt should fund an interstate exit that benefits one company (though you could argue it benefits multiple companies in this case), and that company took in FAR more in the past quarter than the local government does over several years...that just isn't right.
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Yeah, but supporting growth means supporting job growth and increased tax revenue... the county and state have vested interests in boosting business.
 
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flynnibus said:
Yeah, but supporting growth means supporting job growth and increased tax revenue... the county and state have vested interests in boosting business.
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This is true, and I should clarify that I am not against incentives that would lure a company to a city or state that could bring many jobs. But, if Disney doesn't get Orange County to build an overpass, no jobs are going to be lost or created because of that. They can easily absorb that cost...they just don't want to.
 
flynnibus

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MattM said:
This is true, and I should clarify that I am not against incentives that would lure a company to a city or state that could bring many jobs. But, if Disney doesn't get Orange County to build an overpass, no jobs are going to be lost or created because of that. They can easily absorb that cost...they just don't want to.
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While Disney is capable of spending money.. that doesn't necessarily mean they would go through with things the same w/o external funding. Just like a business can afford that new HQ regardless.. but the county/city/state may give them tax incentives to ensure the new HQ happens and happens where they want it. Same thing here.. the government support isn't to make the project economically feasible in itself... but to incentivize common interests that ultimately will benefit the tax payers. At least that's the theory :)
 
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flynnibus said:
While Disney is capable of spending money.. that doesn't necessarily mean they would go through with things the same w/o external funding. Just like a business can afford that new HQ regardless.. but the county/city/state may give them tax incentives to ensure the new HQ happens and happens where they want it. Same thing here.. the government support isn't to make the project economically feasible in itself... but to incentivize common interests that ultimately will benefit the tax payers. At least that's the theory :)
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You've got it right. And if the transaction was handled the way it is supposed to work theoretically, I wouldn't so much have an issue with it. But in this case, Disney isn't going to not do the DD project b/c the county/state didn't build them an interchange. That would be cutting off their nose to spite their face. It makes sense in some cases, like I mentioned above, but in this case it isn't necessary.
 
baymenxpac

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Genie of the Lamp said:
I know this doesn't have to do directly with Disney Springs, but I saw this article from Da Mouse and it says that the Rainforest Cafe will be undergoing a renovation refurbishment to the interior theming of the main Rainforest Cafe areas once the exterior renovations and the Lava Lounge project are completed. Here's the article:
http://damouse.com/2013/03/12/downt...-after-completion-of-lava-lounge-renovations/
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that'd be very welcome. it's much needed.
 
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