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News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

rushtest4echo

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Yes, I have seen all the shows many many many times.... but there are also now fewer shows than there once were...and seriously...how many time can you see the Little Mermaid show and the Beauty and the Beast show... Once a year is more than enough, especially when it doesn't really change. In the early years there were tons of Streetmosphere characters which I rarely see anymore...they were great... I remember watching a woman with her suitcase talking to a little gorl and telling her all about how she just got off a bus from Kansas and wanted to be a movie star... that was sweet and fun... and lovely detail, but have not seen that level of detail on a long tme... maybe I have just mossed it... but I suspect there are less performers than there once were. So fewer shows, less performers, fewer rides make this park on a whole, pretty sad.
Streetmosphere is still more common at DHS than any other park at WDW by a wide margin. Maybe you've just visted at bad days or times of day, but when I've visited over the last year or two there have been these on almost every single visit:
The "fresh off the bus" suitcase people on Hollywood Blvd at park opening and in the afternoon
The directors/talent scouts on Sunset Blvd throughout the day
The Toy Story green army men throughout the day
First Order Stormtroopers throughout the day, especially during the build up to the fireworks

I don't think there has been any drawback in that category, or at least I haven't seen it. If anything, I think I've seen just as many or more over the past few years. Maybe it's a right time/place deal and I'm getting the long end of the streetmosphere stick and you've gotten the short end of the stick.
 

uncle jimmy

Well-Known Member
Yes, but honestly the money is now spreading property wide. The level of spending over the next five years is unprecedented. I don't come to WDW for one park. I come for four. And they will be in stellar shape by 2021.

My concern now turns to the 2020s. It would be unreasonable to expect growth to continue at this clip and it is reasonable to expect no major construction during what is shaping up to be a TRULY dazzling (no really, Disneyland) celebration. Let's hope they can end up at the arguably-appropriate pace of one new E-ticket every 12-18 months property-wide, smaller additions inbetween, and maintenance of a reasonable refurb schedule.

Disneyland has maintained that since 2005.
Could this Ride be coming sooner because after TSL or SWL are open, an area near GMR would be impacted with walls and bigger rides closing?
 

rushtest4echo

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you're talking about Frozen. Have you ever actually seen it? The performers are hilarious.
Normally, I find your arguments/defense against the crybabies as totally logical and well reasoned, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the crappy Star Wars shows in two different theaters, in addition to the "previews" constantly going on over at One Man's Dream (the original film is in poor shape too). Those three "attractions" are pitiful excuses meant to prop up the attraction count and he's right on that count.

Having the better Frozen show, the nightly Symphony Concerts, nightly fireworks and the third track on TSMM are all huge positives in my book and are certainly helping Studios limp through this overhaul- but the other filler is just that. In 5 years, everyone will look back at 2015-2020 and see it the same way people looked at DCA during its overhaul. Plenty of people (myself included) recognize that it's just impossible to shut down a top 10 theme park for years, but I hope those people recognize that the park is in really bad shape and beneath Disney's typical standards. I'm confident that the park will be back up to those standards and looking the best it has in 20 years by 2020 though.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
It pains me to say I may have ridden my last GMR.

As things stands at the moment, when I return in the fall the attraction should be closed.
Crap.
All the changed in the short term are painful but in the lonf term are setting up the park to draw just under what the MK draws. Its clear to almost everyone that Star Wars is the most popular IP in the movie industry. Therefore WDW has to make sure whatever they remane the park has capacity to handle 20 million as it will be the number 2 park in Orlando. Once they finish what is planned and the next phase for Epcot and MK tomorrowland WDW will be set for the 70 million plus a year attendance they will be getting.
Magic Kingdom can barely handle 20 million a year and you're expecting DHS to be able to when all of this is done?
Normally, I find your arguments/defense against the crybabies as totally logical and well reasoned, but I'm pretty sure he was talking about the crappy Star Wars shows in two different theaters, in addition to the "previews" constantly going on over at One Man's Dream (the original film is in poor shape too). Those three "attractions" are pitiful excuses meant to prop up the attraction count and he's right on that count.

Having the better Frozen show, the nightly Symphony Concerts, nightly fireworks and the third track on TSMM are all huge positives in my book and are certainly helping Studios limp through this overhaul- but the other filler is just that. In 5 years, everyone will look back at 2015-2020 and see it the same way people looked at DCA during its overhaul. Plenty of people (myself included) recognize that it's just impossible to shut down a top 10 theme park for years, but I hope those people recognize that the park is in really bad shape and beneath Disney's typical standards. I'm confident that the park will be back up to those standards and looking the best it has in 20 years by 2020 though.
I hope you mean "better Frozen show" as in better than the Star Wars stuff. Not really hard to top those though. If you want a truly great Frozen show you have to go to California.
 

HauntedPirate

Premium Member
All the changed in the short term are painful but in the lonf term are setting up the park to draw just under what the MK draws. Its clear to almost everyone that Star Wars is the most popular IP in the movie industry. Therefore WDW has to make sure whatever they remane the park has capacity to handle 20 million as it will be the number 2 park in Orlando. Once they finish what is planned and the next phase for Epcot and MK tomorrowland WDW will be set for the 70 million plus a year attendance they will be getting.
Right. Attendance at DHS is going to nearly double with the addition of three attractions?

As I've said before - The pixie dust is strong with this one. Treat the posts accordingly.
 

MansionButler84

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Could this Ride be coming sooner because after TSL or SWL are open, an area near GMR would be impacted with walls and bigger rides closing?
Well, the Mickey Ride was proposed to open with SWL or not at all. I know there had been discussions over whether or not to build it, and apparently they have decided to go forward. Since it needs to open with Star Wars Land (that's why it was proposed in the first place), and has a 24-month build, and Star Wars Land opens ~summer 2019, it's simple math. If they had waited for Toy Story Land to open, sure it'd be better for crowd flow, but we would likely just not get the Mickey ride at all.

20,000,000 guests at DHS is laughable. That would be beyond their capacity. I guess all those extra people turned away from the gate will just be sent to the Ratatouille ride by gondola?
 

atighe42

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So what is the next step for DHS to counter the lack of rides? When will we see true, permanent replacements/updates for things like Mermaid, Beast, Indy, Launch Bay? I feel like they should get going on that stuff before the heavy hitters are down.
 

Bocabear

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So what is the next step for DHS to counter the lack of rides? When will we see true, permanent replacements/updates for things like Mermaid, Beast, Indy, Launch Bay? I feel like they should get going on that stuff before the heavy hitters are down.
Honestly as long as people keep paying $100 to get into a half a park, they are in o rush to bring things back online... if attendance suddenly dropped they would be more amenable to fixing things faster... I think the current TDO philosophy is "As long as people are paying, why bother?"
 

rushtest4echo

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I think the current TDO philosophy is "As long as people are paying, why bother?"
Agreed. Unfortunate, but can you really blame a corporation for such a practice? I know people want that to change, but the customers ultimately drive those decisions in the long run and it looks like customers are not punishing Disney for these practices.

I guess we'll have to see what the attendance/occupancy numbers look like for 2016/2017 to see the true extent of customer reaction has been to DHS's issues. Animal Kingdom will obviously widen its lead over DHS, and maintain that lead until Star Wars Land is complete. It'll be interesting to see where the numbers fall by 2020 if EPCOT goes under the knife significantly, it's possible that AK will be the #2 attended gate by then. When all is said and done expansion wise, I think it's anyone's guess what the numbers will look like. Maybe by then Universal will have something to challenge Disney's least attended Orlando gate which may very well be DHS. And if that comes anywhere near close to happening, I'd expect even more money to be invested in DHS after this round! Yay competition!
 

Jones14

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Something else to keep in mind: it seems unlikely that we will see any major improvements to current attractions until at least next summer unless they begin before The Great Movie Ride closes. That means no enclosed Theater of the Stars, no significant Famtasmic! upgrades, no Little Mermaid replacement, etc.

Disney is really shooting themselves in the foot here.
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Honestly as long as people keep paying $100 to get into a half a park, they are in o rush to bring things back online... if attendance suddenly dropped they would be more amenable to fixing things faster... I think the current TDO philosophy is "As long as people are paying, why bother?"
I doubt there's a lot of people paying a one day ticket just for DHS. With a 4 to 10 day stay, the cost of extra park days diminishes to an extra $50 - $20.

Since I still see most of the shows when I go to DHS, it's still very much a full day park for me. I can see how locals who may have tired of the shows or people who just want rides would be disappointed.

So the 'suckers' who fill up the park each day have discounted multiple day tickets, or hoppers (including APs), and/or are huge Star Wars fans and find the park satisfying in that regard.
 

KrzyKtty

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A lot of the shows are still new since my last trip in 2012. I am excited to see them all with my daughter for the first time. That being said, we are still expecting it to be the more relaxing of the parks.
 
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