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News Disney Not Renewing Great Movie Ride Sponsorship Deal with TCM ; Attraction to Close

twebber55

Well-Known Member
Crap.

Magic Kingdom can barely handle 20 million a year and you're expecting DHS to be able to when all of this is done?

I hope you mean "better Frozen show" as in better than the Star Wars stuff. Not really hard to top those though. If you want a truly great Frozen show you have to go to California.
DHS will not have 20 million people
zero chance
more like 14 million tops
 

huwar18

Well-Known Member
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DHS will not have 20 million people
zero chance
more like 14 million tops
I agree. I still think 14 million is shooting high. In my opinion, they are still going to have capacity issues when everything opens.
 

rushtest4echo

Well-Known Member
frozen is more of a built product even if reusing exsisting space.
True, but it was moved for more than one reason. American Idol needed to go. Premiere Theater is obviously no longer available. The new location is much better suited for the crowds, the show quality is better there too. It's not perfect by any means, but it's a solid contribution to the park and it's never had an empty seat in the dozens of times I've attended a showing (which is more than I can say about Indy or BatB despite them being superior offerings).

Frankly, I only attend to see the storytellers. One of my favorite guilty pleasures!
 

rushtest4echo

Well-Known Member
Totally agree
If I came across as a jerk I apologize
14 Million is very doable, especially after the park as a whole is redone. If they can manage 10 million with their current offerings and limited space, I don't see why they couldn't shove 4 million more people in there especially if they go back to opening at 8 AM and closing at 11 PM for new offerings like Animal Kingdom is doing. Adding 3 or 4 extra hours of park time each day really does help the overall daily carrying capacity as people clear out in the afternoon and others come in for evening visits. Just ask Magic Kingdom! ;)
 

MansionButler84

Well-Known Member
14 Million is very doable, especially after the park as a whole is redone. If they can manage 10 million with their current offerings and limited space, I don't see why they couldn't shove 4 million more people in there especially if they go back to opening at 8 AM and closing at 11 PM for new offerings like Animal Kingdom is doing. Adding 3 or 4 extra hours of park time each day really does help the overall daily carrying capacity as people clear out in the afternoon and others come in for evening visits. Just ask Magic Kingdom! ;)
Would you say they are managing 10,000,000?
 

UpAllNight

Well-Known Member
Tim Tracker, who is normally very positive in regards to Disney, highlighted the issues with DHS in a video this past month. He couldn't make Fastpass selections so went to DHS without them, and by like 10am everything was 60-90 mins. His views echoed my own from 2015. At one point we genuinely looked at each other and discussed if these kind of holidays were for us. We were queuing 70 minutes for Rock n Rollercoaster at 9am...there's endless possibilities for a holiday and there we were in the sweltering heat queuing pretty much all day. We're British if there's one thing we're used too it's a queue! We didn't get this feeling at any other park despite obviously having to wait at times....you expect it in Florida, we're not deluded. But DHS was worse than any other park for It. There was a 50 minute queue to meet Mickey, and that was one of the smallest in the park.

I think all the other parks offered relief...yeah a ride might have a 120 min queue at some points (7 dwarves etc) but there were other options and crowds would shift so there'd be times where that'd drop to 60/70...at DHS the queues were relentless all day....and there just wasn't enough to see to keep us occupied in the meantime...the nature trails in AK provided that...MK and Epcot are huge...Islands and Uni have tons of E-tickets, Seaworld is big and was quieter, and also had the animal exhibits....same as Busch.

DHS was a complete mess and I can't see how Star Wars Land and Toy Story will solve this alone. They'll help no doubt in giving guests more options, but these are 2 HUGE IPs...which will bring even bigger crowds, making this parks problems even worse.
 
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clemmo

Well-Known Member
Yes, but honestly the money is now spreading property wide. The level of spending over the next five years is unprecedented. I don't come to WDW for one park. I come for four. And they will be in stellar shape by 2021.

My concern now turns to the 2020s. It would be unreasonable to expect growth to continue at this clip and it is reasonable to expect no major construction during what is shaping up to be a TRULY dazzling (no really, Disneyland) celebration. Let's hope they can end up at the arguably-appropriate pace of one new E-ticket every 12-18 months property-wide, smaller additions inbetween, and maintenance of a reasonable refurb schedule.

Disneyland has maintained that since 2005.
In the 2020s, depending on when Nintendo land opens and if uni decides to build a new park on their new land I could easily see money being spent at WDW again. Anyway about the GMR replacement it almost seemed stalled but I guess it seems to have new life/green lit?
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
I think if we are triaging, it needs updates more than removal. We can't bulldoze everything. It's still popular and appropriate for the park.
Actually the theme has changed from 'how the movies are made' to 'live the movie adventure' for that purpose the stunt show serves no purpose. I would rather have them take the land footprint that was originally envisioned for Star Wars Land going into the car park and make that Indy land take the DLP original Indy mine cart attraction, stick Indy EMV, stick the Adventureland wall in Shanghai and create a water ride add a canteen. Done.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
So... There is now this push to get Mickey in by the time SWL opens.

Is this really a push by Ops to get everything done by 2019, OR... is this a push for the re-marketing of DHS? (or both)

Consider that as they're adding Disney movie IPs in the form of TSL and SWL, and now, they're nixing a ride that is not Disney for one that is iconic Disney; it seems that the decision to replace GMR with Mickey is as much about rebranding DHS as the "Disney Movie Adventure" park.

And if that is any part of their decision, then, once the hubbub over GotG overly of ToT in Anaheim had died down, then, I wouldn't be surprised to see DHS ToT and RnRC overlaid. Since we were promised that GotG won't go to DHS ToT, then that promise would technically still be true if Doctor Strange went to ToT and GotG went to RnRC. With the conversion of GMR, I don't see how ToT or RnRR can remain un-Disneyfied... except if they run out of conversion money.

/end speculation
 

seascape

Well-Known Member
DHS is 154 acres. MK is smaller. In fact the two new lands are 25% of the size of MK. Universal Studios is 108 acres and Islands of Adventure is 101 acres.

When Star Wars is open do you really think attendance will not jump? Because no matter what some think here the reality is Star Wars is the number 1 IP in the industry.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
DHS is 154 acres. MK is smaller. In fact the two new lands are 25% of the size of MK. Universal Studios is 108 acres and Islands of Adventure is 101 acres.

When Star Wars is open do you really think attendance will not jump? Because no matter what some think here the reality is Star Wars is the number 1 IP in the industry.
Well considering your including the car park in DHS size comparisons with MK and other Orlando parks. Is Star Wars going to have queues like that of Harry Potter Hogsmede have I doubt it. For one Disneyland SWL will have opened and the hardcore Star Wars fans will visit that first.
 

HauntedPirate

Premium Member
DHS is 154 acres. MK is smaller. In fact the two new lands are 25% of the size of MK. Universal Studios is 108 acres and Islands of Adventure is 101 acres.

When Star Wars is open do you really think attendance will not jump? Because no matter what some think here the reality is Star Wars is the number 1 IP in the industry.
I've done the online map research - The guest area of DHS is NOT 154 acres, more like 70 acres, give or take a couple. No amount of fanboi wishing or "official facts book" quoting will change that.

Attendance will jump. No one is saying otherwise. But, you are saying that two SW attractions and a Slinky coaster is going to translate to 10 MILLION MORE guests annually at DHS. Just wanted to clarify that, thanks.
 

danlb_2000

Well-Known Member
DHS is 154 acres. MK is smaller. In fact the two new lands are 25% of the size of MK. Universal Studios is 108 acres and Islands of Adventure is 101 acres.

When Star Wars is open do you really think attendance will not jump? Because no matter what some think here the reality is Star Wars is the number 1 IP in the industry.
Don't go by acreage numbers you find on the internet. We had a discussion about this in another thread recently and I found the numbers on popular sites are often inconsistent on what is included in that number.

This is 102 Acres:

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This is 103 acres:

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Yes, my choices about what is and isn't in the measurement are a little arbitrary, but it shows you how hard it is to really measure the size of a park in any meaningful way.
 
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UpAllNight

Well-Known Member
It does raise a lot of questions. I really hope I'm wrong and I really hope I'll be riding the GMR in the fall. But I'm told I aren't and I won't.
Could they be pushing for a 2019/early 2020 opening with this, and some Epcot announcements because they know MK will be a hot mess in 2020 when half of it's down for refurb?

What a mess Disney...and all their own making. Charging premium prices and offering a half baked product. (I welcome long overdue investment, for what it's worth, but this situation could so easily have been avoided)
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Could they be pushing for a 2019/early 2020 opening with this, and some Epcot announcements because they know MK will be a hot mess in 2020 when half of it's down for refurb?

What a mess Disney...and all their own making. Charging premium prices and offering a half baked product. (I welcome long overdue investment, for what it's worth, but this situation could so easily have been avoided)
The GMR is about 2 1/2 years away. The MK though won't be nearly that bad. They primarily want GMR open for SWL.

Though of course they could just build it somewhere else and have two high capacity attractions ready for SWL. But that would be daft.
 

rioriz

Well-Known Member
Well I am sad that this Summer will be my last ride on this magnificent attraction. However I am excited at the prospect of the new Mickey ride. The park is re-branding and I am not unsure that this move may be more in line with the final product of the new DHS.
 
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