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RSoxNo1

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Added or substantially redeveloped? I admit it's not perfect, but they've had a pretty good decade.

2007 Nemo subs
2008 Toy Story Mania
2010 World of Color
2011 Star Tours and Ariel
2012 Cars Land
2015 60th additions
2016 Soarin
2017 Guardians

Then 2019 SWL
That's being quite liberal, but I see what you're saying. There was a period pre-Iger where Disney looked to truly add an E-ticket to WDW ever 3.5-4 years. Up until 2006 they did a pretty good job of meeting or exceeding that pace.

The aggressive building schedule coming up in the next 4 years is unprecedented outside of building a new park being built. The closest timelines I can come up with would be 1989-1992 and 1997-1999.
 

MansionButler84

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That's being quite liberal, but I see what you're saying. There was a period pre-Iger where Disney looked to truly add an E-ticket to WDW ever 3.5-4 years. Up until 2006 they did a pretty good job of meeting or exceeding that pace.

The aggressive building schedule coming up in the next 4 years is unprecedented outside of building a new park being built. The closest timelines I can come up with would be 1989-1992 and 1997-1999.
I know I'm being liberal. They still added more to two parks than WDW added to four.

On the other hand, it seems we have four E-tickets opening in 2019. That's totes cray.

They better watch it or 2021 will feel like an afterthought.

How heavily can you REALLY market rides that opened two years prior? I'm sure they'll try...
 

Kman101

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I know I'm being liberal. They still added more to two parks than WDW added to four.

On the other hand, it seems we have four E-tickets opening in 2019. That's totes cray.

They better watch it or 2021 will feel like an afterthought.

How heavily can you REALLY market rides that opened two years prior? I'm sure they'll try...
Yes, it's finally time for WDW to get the attention. LONG overdue though. But it's still great that they're all coming. But we could also debate that at this point they really have no choice.

There's plenty for them to still do by 2021. Plenty. If they choose to do any of it.
 

clemmo

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I know I'm being liberal. They still added more to two parks than WDW added to four.

On the other hand, it seems we have four E-tickets opening in 2019. That's totes cray.

They better watch it or 2021 will feel like an afterthought.

How heavily can you REALLY market rides that opened two years prior? I'm sure they'll try...
Hopefully it's not an after thought and MK gets its first new e ticket in the 21st century that year. Won't be 4 e tickets but still would be nice for MK to finally get some love including lots of big time refurbs as well.
 

rushtest4echo

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I agree except your never empty comment is a little skewed because I could argue what else are people going to do ahaha
Go see Indy or BatB instead- that's why I compared it to those shows! Much better shows that are still worth seeing especially if you're not a local that's there every week like some of us. :)

But I digress, you're totally right about the options being quite limited. Still, people tend to think that DHS needs more rides and while I'd like to see more rides, a park that can pull in 10 million visitors (don't care about bait & switch, first clicks, long lines, discounted tickets or any other means they achieve this), adding two entirely new lands with 4 rides is going to help the place out a lot. Is it ideal? No, nothing ever is. EPCOT wasn't "idea" when it opened because WS had a pitiful assortment of attractions in the eyes of a lot of people- that issue remains today. But like WS, Studios has stuff that attracts people beyond rides. They are currently the only WDW park with two evening spectaculars. They're the only WDW park with a full assortment of stage shows. Is that a complete daily offering? Not right now obviously, but the additions will go a long way toward making it a full day park. Between 3-4 hours of watching shows, 2-3 hours of queuing/riding rides, a hour for dining and an hour or two for the night time spectaculars, there's easily 7-8 hours of stuff to do at the Studios right now and the additions will push that closer to 10 hours. That's going enough for most people if they take in all of the offerings that the park has (not that repeat/locals will, but that's an issue everywhere).
 

rushtest4echo

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I should have fit Mania into that to pay homage to the ride's origins at DCA. Still lamenting the loss of that attraction concept in favor of more Toy Story shooters in the parks.

There are currently 9 Toy Story shooters in the parks! And I constantly hear people clamoring for Midway Mania at Paris, Hong Kong and Shanghai with the strong possibility that at least one, if not all, of those resorts eventually receive them. :mad::(:oops::rolleyes::arghh::bawling::banghead::cry::depressed::devilish::facepalm::grumpy::hungover::in pain:
 

MansionButler84

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I should have fit Mania into that to pay homage to the ride's origins at DCA. Still lamenting the loss of that attraction concept in favor of more Toy Story shooters in the parks.

There are currently 9 Toy Story shooters in the parks! And I constantly hear people clamoring for Midway Mania at Paris, Hong Kong and Shanghai with the strong possibility that at least one, if not all, of those resorts eventually receive them. :mad::(:oops::rolleyes::arghh::bawling::banghead::cry::depressed::devilish::facepalm::grumpy::hungover::in pain:
Crazy people clamoring for clones of popular rides.

Who still wants Mystic Manor? And Indiana Jones Adventure? And Journey to the Center of the Earth? And Tron Light Cycles? And Cars Land?

Shall I continue?
 

rushtest4echo

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Crazy people clamoring for clones of popular rides.

Who still wants Mystic Manor? And Indiana Jones Adventure? And Journey to the Center of the Earth? And Tron Light Cycles? And Cars Land?

Shall I continue?
No, because I personally love clones. I hope to see straight up clones of Disney's best offerings scattered around every resort. I'm not the sort of person to disparage a well done clone. I'd love nothing more than for them to do it everywhere, and often. And that's coming from someone who visits most of the intl parks every couple of years but can recognize the value in-reusing a ride concept that is successful in different markets. ;)

But Toy Story? And the quality of the Toy Story offerings that Disney already has demonstrated around the globe? No, I don't really care for more of that.

There are currently 6 more Toy Story rides, with another 5 currently under construction. So that makes a total of 20 Toy Story attractions before any other Manias might be built. No mas! What's the next most represented property at Disney parks as far as ride count? Star Wars (it'll be that in a few years right)? And even after SWL opens at the two parks, that'll be 8 total attractions and 2 lands. Toy Story will have 20 rides across 5 lands. Enough.

Every single Disney Resort is well represented in parades, shows, lands, shops, dining, meet & greets and rides as far as Toy Story is concerned. If people want that trend to continue, I guess Disney should continue to offer it. Personally, I think Toy Story has enough visibility. It's BY FAR the most represented thing at Disney Parks, unless you count the Princess line (though I think at this point, the collective representation of Toy Story beats all of the princess offerings!)
 
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MansionButler84

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No, because I personally love clones. I hope to see straight up clones of Disney's best offerings scattered around every resort. I'd love nothing more. ;) But Toy Story? And the quality of the Toy Story offerings that Disney already has demonstrated around the globe? No, I don't really care for more of that.

There are currently 6 more Toy Story rides, with another 5 currently under construction. So that makes a total of 20 Toy Story attractions before any other Manias might be built. No mas!
It's an extremely popular IP. Look at the wait times on each of those rides. They'd plop a 4th and 5th Midway Mania track behind France if they didn't have another option to CTRL+C, CTRL+V.
 

Goofyernmost

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It pains me to say I may have ridden my last GMR.

As things stands at the moment, when I return in the fall the attraction should be closed.
It pains me too. When I was at WDW last month, I really wanted to see it, but, my age got to me and after a full day I just couldn't crank up the energy to make a stop at DHS just to see it. I kinda figured that it would be gone before I could get back again. In spite of the massive denial aging truly sucks. We may keep our 20 year old mentality, but, the body's in charge.
 
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rushtest4echo

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It's an extremely popular IP. Look at the wait times on each of those rides. They'd plop a 4th and 5th Midway Mania track behind France if they didn't have another option to CTRL+C, CTRL+V.
No doubt, adding a 4th or 5th track would finally bring that ride in line with the capacity of the other attractions around the park. (and people still struggle to figure out why the waits are so out of control at Tokyo and DL where the capacity is still that of a minor dark ride). ;)

It's obviously an extremely popular IP, but for all of the hand wringing that goes on about Frozen or Star Wars, I always wonder why people don't loathe the (over) representation of Toy Story in the parks. I know people criticize the quality of the offerings (as they should, it's carny rides, shooter rides and a really poor offering of a screen based shooter that barely qualifies as a ride regardless of its popularity), but I'm also about tapped out as far as quantity too which I don't see many people taking issue with (Toy Story specifically). Luckily I don't think they could cram any more Toy Story into the parks if they tried (I shouldn't say that, I could see them dumping it into Fantasmic, Pyro Shows and other areas, ugh).

Back to GMR though. If it's trackless and Mickey then count me in. I'd love to see a "Mickey through the ages" trackless dark ride like what Midway Mania was originally supposed to be. I just hope it's done well and it's done before Star Wars Land opens.
 

Bocabear

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Well...it is also in a park with the lowest count of rides period... So that helps it's popularity at DHS...
 

MansionButler84

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Well...it is also in a park with the lowest count of rides period... So that helps it's popularity at DHS...
Sure. But, it is popular. Guests like it. Even Tokyo wanted one. How often in recent memory has Tokyo asked for a copy of an American ride?
 

rushtest4echo

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Sure. But, it is popular. Guests like it. Even Tokyo wanted one. How often in recent memory has Tokyo asked for a copy of an American ride?
They've cloned from everyone including the US parks quite heavily. That's always been the case except for DisneySea's opening lineup which was largely clone free. Tokyo Disneyland itself was probably the most "cloned" park of any of Disney's offerings when it opened. I know you're saying in recent memory so I'll discount all of that. But still, before TDS, almost every ride at TDL was a clone of an American counterpart and since TDS has opened, it's also been largely clones from the US or other parks too:

Since TDS opened:

Turtle Talk (Cloned from EPCOT, DCA and HKDL)
Buzz Lightyear (originated at WDW, was upgraded for Tokyo, then cloned everywhere else)
Tower of Terror (in concept arts, it was intended to be WDW's version, instead ended up an updated clone of DCA's, which was supposed to be in Paris originally- but Tokyo ASKED for a Tower of Terror, then made the decision in conjunction with Disney to use the cheaper ride system along with a new theme, since Twilight Zone was largely unknown in Japan)
Raging Spirits (Cloned/updated ride from Paris, which itself is a clone of a carny coaster)
Toy Story Mania (Cloned from the stateside parks as you mentioned)
Philharmagic (Cloned from WDW and HKDL)
Star Tours II (Cloned from the stateside parks)
Stitch Encounter (Cloned/updated from Paris and Hong Kong)

The only unique rides I can think of is Monsters Inc, and now the BatB dark ride. It's been literally all clones otherwise. Am I missing something (I may be, but that's what I came up with off the top of my head)? Of the attractions that Tokyo's done in the last 15 years, they've all been clones and many of them have been from original US attractions. They've added some bells and whistles, but more than half of those rides originated in the states and the other half are still just clones.

I love Tokyo's parks and many of their attractions are unique and spectacular. But plenty are also just clones. Some from the US parks, some from elsewhere. Lets be real about that (aside from TDS's original lineup) while still acknowledging that there's a great deal of things that set Tokyo apart from other properties.
 

MansionButler84

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In the Parks
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They've cloned from everyone including the US parks quite heavily. That's always been the case except for DisneySea's opening lineup which was largely clone free. Before TDS, almost every ride at TDL was a clone of an American counterpart and since TDS has opened, it's also been largely clones from the US or other parks too:

Since TDS opened:

Turtle Talk (Cloned from EPCOT, DCA and HKDL)
Buzz Lightyear (originated at WDW, was upgraded for Tokyo, then cloned everywhere else)
Tower of Terror (in concept arts, it was intended to be WDW's version, instead ended up an updated clone of DCA's, which was supposed to be in Paris originally- but Tokyo ASKED for a Tower of Terror, then made the decision in conjunction with Disney to use the cheaper ride system along with a new theme, since Twilight Zone was largely unknown in Japan)
Raging Spirits (Cloned/updated ride from Paris, which itself is a clone of a carny coaster)
Toy Story Mania (Cloned from the stateside parks as you mentioned)
Philharmagic (Cloned from WDW and HKDL)
Star Tours II (Cloned from the stateside parks)
Stitch Encounter (Cloned/updated from Paris and Hong Kong)

The only unique rides I can think of is Monsters Inc, and now the BatB dark ride. It's been literally all clones otherwise. Am I missing something (I may be, but that's what I came up with off the top of my head)? Of the attractions that Tokyo's done in the last 15 years, they've all been clones and many of them have been from original US attractions. They've added some bells and whistles, but more than half of those rides originated in the states.
Guess I missed all those lol. I don't view ToT as a clone. Or Raging Spirits. Either way, your point stands. My bad.
 

rushtest4echo

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I forgot Jasmine's Carpets too! :p

It took me by surprise too though. I was about to just say that they were cloning before TDS came into the fold, but the more I thought about it, they're back to doing that again. No problem with cloning at all though. When Tokyo clones stuff, you often get the best version of said clone/concept. Tower, Spirits, Star Tours, Thunder (at the time), Indy, Pooh, Buzz, (at the time) and others I'm probably forgetting were the best of their type when they opened, all being "upgrades" of an earlier concept/ride. The only thing smarter than cloning is doing "cloning plus" like they've done with Thunder, Tower and Splash. Took superior attractions and made them even better! I'm all for it!

Don't try to "upgrade" Fantasmic though, that failed badly. ;)
 
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