Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Phroobar said:
Adrien Brody was in Predators and his character survived. Granted it was huge mistake to be in that pile of ....
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That is the one-off that no one talks about, its not mentioned when talking about that franchise as its the dud that almost killed it. Its off living in an alternate universe like it never happened.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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brideck said:
It would be a mistake to assume that every actor is in it to be famous, to make millions of dollars, or to do the junketing that it takes to be either of the first two.
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Disney Irish said:
Except that was the argument that started this whole conversation that this thread now find itself involved in.
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Uhhh, no it wasn't. The quote above yours is what I was responding to. That topic came up, but wasn't what started what I was talking about and what you were responding to.
Disney Irish said:
Also how is Adrien Brody not famous or not living the movie star lifestyle? The dude just won his second Oscar, you don't think he is getting "paid" and living it up? Of course he is, and he still hasn't joined a large blockbuster franchise.
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Of course he's famous. And I'd bet as a young actor in drama club he dreamed of being a famous movie star. That's the entire point.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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DKampy said:
As someone who has been in that world… people who hope to be able to have a career in the acting usually decide to move to either California or New York for more Opportunities…. I know a couple of people who have done just that….no one anyone knows… but they do find work on a regular basis

If you move to Hollywood expecting to be rich and famous the likely hood of that happening is slim…. I would not suggest that…It is a highly competitive field
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I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Cliff said:
Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back and huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you: "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

It's very common for producers and cast and crew to seek validation from within the elite social circles in the entertainment industry and NOT from the general public. (Or much less so)
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This attitude is a huge part of why Disney is having some trouble across most if not all of its business segments

When your gravy train for sports primary market was college football…and you had 2 hours an afternoon of grievance political pundit talk…who would thunk it would add to your troubles down the road. And if then you blame the audience.

A big takeaway from the last 10 years or so is that they are trying to portray the world for what they think it will be…not what it is.

Not that I don’t think a lot of movements aren’t positives - because they are - but it’s not up to you to decree the pace. It’s bad business.

You need volunteers…not hostages.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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erasure fan1 said:
I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.
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Probably only 99.9% of them

I’m just trying to be practical…if you don’t “make it”…you’re constantly looking and working somewhere else. Life’s too short. It’s gotta suck
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Brody isn’t more famous…by the way…cause he’s a kook and that’s the rep. Not quite Joaquin Phoenix…but still

I just saw a clip yesterday as a matter of fact…when he hosted SNL…he introduced Sean Paul in a dreadlocked wig with a fake mocking Jamaican accent

Dear lord 🙄
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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erasure fan1 said:
Uhhh, no it wasn't. The quote above yours is what I was responding to. That topic came up, but wasn't what started what I was talking about and what you were responding to.
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Except if you go to what the post is responding to its about the whole fact that claims where made about careers being said, specific actors, because they have failed to lock down a new large blockbuster franchise, not about the generic topic of whether a actor wants to be famous.

erasure fan1 said:
Of course he's famous. And I'd bet as a young actor in drama club he dreamed of being a famous movie star. That's the entire point.
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Ok, but was does "famous" mean? Does it mean being recognized, I say he's achieved that.
 
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Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Brody isn’t more famous…by the way…cause he’s a kook and that’s the rep. Not quite Joaquin Phoenix…but still

I just saw a clip yesterday as a matter of fact…when he hosted SNL…he introduced Sean Paul in a dreadlocked wig with a fake mocking Jamaican accent

Dear lord 🙄
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So what? If the goal of an actor is to be famous, the dude has achieved that in spades. It doesn't matter how he did it.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Great point

Actually that wasn’t the point at all. You’re slipping a bit
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Ok, then we've lost the point. As your point was that Disney is killing careers. And after that was proven false, it was changed to well actors are looking to be famous and they don't do that by doing "arthouse" films they do that by booking large franchises. And when that was proven false, well now I don't know what is the point.

So what is the current point there chief?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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Disney Irish said:
Ok, then we've lost the point. As your point was that Disney is killing careers. And after that was proven false, it was changed to well actors are looking to be famous and they don't do that by doing "arthouse" films they do that by booking large franchises. And when that was proven false, well now I don't know what is the point.

So what is the current point there chief?
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If it's not about Disney killing careers, why are we talking about it?
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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Disney Irish said:
Except if you go to what the post is responding to its about the whole fact that claims where made about careers being said, specific actors, because they have failed to lock down a new large blockbuster franchise, not about the generic topic of whether a actor wants to be famous.
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It doesn't matter. The response was making a specific claim that I have a really hard time believing. And that was what I was commenting on.
Disney Irish said:
Ok, but was does "famous" mean? Does it mean being recognized, I say he's achieved that.
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I'm not sure it matters in the context of our discussion. But he absolutely has achieved it. And I'm sure once he got his first major roll it was what he always dreamed of. I don't think the things you're saying support your side of the discussion very well. At least the points I was making. Most of what you say supports what I'm saying really.

I get what you're saying about not being in marvel or star wars...it doesn't mean you are not wanted. Although it can. I don't think I argued against it though because it wasn't my point.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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erasure fan1 said:
It doesn't matter. The response was making a specific claim that I have a really hard time believing. And that was what I was commenting on.
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Except if you change the whole conversation midstream to a different point that is hard to track and follow for those that were continuing talking about the original conversation. Because the rest of us, I'm not the only one, are continuing to respond as if that is what you're talking about when apparently its not.

erasure fan1 said:
I'm not sure it matters in the context of our discussion. But he absolutely has achieved it. And I'm sure once he got his first major roll it was what he always dreamed of. I don't think the things you're saying support your side of the discussion very well. At least the points I was making. Most of what you say supports what I'm saying really.

I get what you're saying about not being in marvel or star wars...it doesn't mean you are not wanted. Although it can. I don't think I argued against it though because it wasn't my point.
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Well apparently our discussion is completely different than that I thought it was about.

In general I would agree actors want to be famous. That can be done in many ways, a character actor for example can be famous for showing up in hundreds of films and TV shows and having bit parts, ie being famous for having that recognizable face that everyone knows. Bringing this back to Disney, John Ratzenberger, while having a minor career as a TV actor became famous for voicing various characters in almost every Pixar films. So much so that it now seems weird if he isn't in one, it'll be a sad day when he passes. Or same with Patrick Warburton, who is famous for having a deep voice and it being everywhere.

So fame and fortune is had in many ways, doesn't have to be because of joining a huge franchise, to bring this back to the original conversation.
 

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