Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[monothingie]

Oh my boy…you’ll find this is “standard operating procedure”

 

[Cliff]

If you can lose $247 mil on Indiana Jones and show up at the executive sauna bright and early on Monday Morning with nothing approximating a “care in the world”…then everyone is safe

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back and huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you: "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

It's very common for producers and cast and crew to seek validation from within the elite social circles in the entertainment industry and NOT from the general public. (Or much less so)

 

[Phroobar]

Young people know social media for sure. But I don't think that helps the argument. Social media is all about engagement. Good, bad doesn't matter and they absolutely 100% know this. They also know that the Internet gives a voice to everyone, even the vocal minority of idiots. And the ones who know this run right towards it, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it. I'm not saying someones career is dead because they won't be in the next batman. But the argument is why they were there in the first place. And most that's for the Hollywood lifestyle.

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

Adrien Brody was in Predators and his character survived. Granted it was huge mistake to be in that pile of ....

 

[monothingie]

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back abd huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you. "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

You mean to tell me that out of touch elite Hollywood group think has an impact on the appeal of media intended for mass consumption?

 

[Disney Irish]

Young people know social media for sure. But I don't think that helps the argument. Social media is all about engagement. Good, bad doesn't matter and they absolutely 100% know this. They also know that the Internet gives a voice to everyone, even the vocal minority of idiots. And the ones who know this run right towards it, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it.

You're assuming that many young people in Hollywood are diving head first into that world willing to tackle all the social media backlash that comes with joining a large blockbuster franchise. I'm saying, no they aren't. I don't think anyone is, especially someone who is savvy in social media. They know to avoid that, and to do that the first thing you do is to not join a large blockbuster franchise.

So yeah young people come to Hollywood to become rich and famous, but they don't come to get bullied online on their social media feeds. The thing that has happened to now countless actors across the industry.

I'm not saying someones career is dead because they won't be in the next batman.

Except that was the argument that started this whole conversation that this thread now find itself involved in. That because some of the actors that were part of Disney franchises in the past aren't now tied to next new large franchises that their careers are dead. And that is what many of us have been arguing against, because its not true.

But the argument is why they were there in the first place. And most that's for the Hollywood lifestyle.

And one can do that without joining a large blockbuster franchise.

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

I think too many have been watching too many movies and TV shows about this "Hollywood lifestyle" and thinking that is real.

Also how is Adrien Brody not famous or not living the movie star lifestyle? The dude just won his second Oscar, you don't think he is getting "paid" and living it up? Of course he is, and he still hasn't joined a large blockbuster franchise.

 

[coffeefan]

Staying booked and busy.

 

[DKampy]

Both taste like something they drain out of your fuel line at jiffy lube

Mot saying either would be my choice…people here seem to power on Miller light

 

[DKampy]

You don't think he had a dream of becoming a famous movie star and living that movie star lifestyle? I just find it hard to believe that there's this huge majority of people who decided to go to Hollywood not to get famous.

As someone who has been in that world… people who hope to be able to have a career in the acting usually decide to move to either California or New York for more Opportunities…. I know a couple of people who have done just that….no one anyone knows… but they do find work on a regular basis

If you move to Hollywood expecting to be rich and famous the likely hood of that happening is slim…. I would not suggest that…It is a highly competitive field

 

[Disney Irish]

Adrien Brody was in Predators and his character survived. Granted it was huge mistake to be in that pile of ....

That is the one-off that no one talks about, its not mentioned when talking about that franchise as its the dud that almost killed it. Its off living in an alternate universe like it never happened.

 

[erasure fan1]

It would be a mistake to assume that every actor is in it to be famous, to make millions of dollars, or to do the junketing that it takes to be either of the first two.

Except that was the argument that started this whole conversation that this thread now find itself involved in.

Uhhh, no it wasn't. The quote above yours is what I was responding to. That topic came up, but wasn't what started what I was talking about and what you were responding to.

Also how is Adrien Brody not famous or not living the movie star lifestyle? The dude just won his second Oscar, you don't think he is getting "paid" and living it up? Of course he is, and he still hasn't joined a large blockbuster franchise.

Of course he's famous. And I'd bet as a young actor in drama club he dreamed of being a famous movie star. That's the entire point.

 

[erasure fan1]

As someone who has been in that world… people who hope to be able to have a career in the acting usually decide to move to either California or New York for more Opportunities…. I know a couple of people who have done just that….no one anyone knows… but they do find work on a regular basis

If you move to Hollywood expecting to be rich and famous the likely hood of that happening is slim…. I would not suggest that…It is a highly competitive field

I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Y'Know, as long as your movie has "the message" properly portrayed, you are pretty much a hero in Hollywood social circles. If you "say" the correct things, you get all the pats on the back and huggs and handshakes at the LA parties.

If box office sales are low, you will still be a hero but Hollywood insiders tell you: "I personally loved your movie. It was brilliant and moving. Sadly, the bad people in this world didn't buy it... but that is THEIR fault, not yours.."

When movies don't sell, it's "bad" or "ignorant" movie-goers that caused it, not you. (If your message was the Hollywood approved one)

It's very common for producers and cast and crew to seek validation from within the elite social circles in the entertainment industry and NOT from the general public. (Or much less so)

This attitude is a huge part of why Disney is having some trouble across most if not all of its business segments

When your gravy train for sports primary market was college football…and you had 2 hours an afternoon of grievance political pundit talk…who would thunk it would add to your troubles down the road. And if then you blame the audience.

A big takeaway from the last 10 years or so is that they are trying to portray the world for what they think it will be…not what it is.

Not that I don’t think a lot of movements aren’t positives - because they are - but it’s not up to you to decree the pace. It’s bad business.

You need volunteers…not hostages.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree. But of the actors who are there, and have made it. What percentage do you think dreamed of making it in Hollywood and being famous? I'd say the answer is the vast majority of them.

Probably only 99.9% of them

I’m just trying to be practical…if you don’t “make it”…you’re constantly looking and working somewhere else. Life’s too short. It’s gotta suck

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That is the one-off that no one talks about, its not mentioned when talking about that franchise as its the dud that almost killed it. Its off living in an alternate universe like it never happened.

Do you think he declined to cash the check for that fine period drama?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Brody isn’t more famous…by the way…cause he’s a kook and that’s the rep. Not quite Joaquin Phoenix…but still

I just saw a clip yesterday as a matter of fact…when he hosted SNL…he introduced Sean Paul in a dreadlocked wig with a fake mocking Jamaican accent

Dear lord

 

[Disney Irish]

Uhhh, no it wasn't. The quote above yours is what I was responding to. That topic came up, but wasn't what started what I was talking about and what you were responding to.

Except if you go to what the post is responding to its about the whole fact that claims where made about careers being said, specific actors, because they have failed to lock down a new large blockbuster franchise, not about the generic topic of whether a actor wants to be famous.

Of course he's famous. And I'd bet as a young actor in drama club he dreamed of being a famous movie star. That's the entire point.

Ok, but was does "famous" mean? Does it mean being recognized, I say he's achieved that.

 

[Disney Irish]

Do you think he declined to cash the check for that fine period drama?

And your point? Did he book another franchise after that? No. Is his career dead because of it? No. So this completely goes against your claims that actors careers are dead unless they book a big blockbuster franchise.

 

[Disney Irish]

Brody isn’t more famous…by the way…cause he’s a kook and that’s the rep. Not quite Joaquin Phoenix…but still

I just saw a clip yesterday as a matter of fact…when he hosted SNL…he introduced Sean Paul in a dreadlocked wig with a fake mocking Jamaican accent

Dear lord

So what? If the goal of an actor is to be famous, the dude has achieved that in spades. It doesn't matter how he did it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And your point? Did he book another franchise after that? No. Is his career dead because of it? No. So this completely goes against your claims that actors careers are dead unless they book a big blockbuster franchise.

Great point

Actually that wasn’t the point at all. You’re slipping a bit

 

[Disney Irish]

Great point

Actually that wasn’t the point at all. You’re slipping a bit

Ok, then we've lost the point. As your point was that Disney is killing careers. And after that was proven false, it was changed to well actors are looking to be famous and they don't do that by doing "arthouse" films they do that by booking large franchises. And when that was proven false, well now I don't know what is the point.

So what is the current point there chief?