MagicMouseFan
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Snow White will do 600 million globally in business. Great for the movie theater owners.
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Farerb
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Honestly, I hope so. As much as I have negative feelings towards this movie, I don't want it to fail.
MagicMouseFan
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Something is seriously wrong if Snow White (the animated feature that started it all) doesn’t do 600 million globally.
Casper Gutman
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This is an absurd statement that it is difficult to believe is made in good faith.
Casper Gutman
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Not surprising at all. We’ve had similar comments here.
John park hopper
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I think you are overly optimistic
Dranth
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Snow White was historically significant but in no way shape or form is ideal for modern audiences. I doubt there have ever been a significant number of folks who are interested in this even before all the whiners came out of the woodwork.
Animaniac93-98
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The comp for live-action Snow White would be live-action Cinderella, which made $542 million a decade ago.
That's probably around what Disney was expecting when this was first green lit.
That's probably around what Disney was expecting when this was first green lit.
Ghost93
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I agree that $500-600 million would be the ideal scenario for Snow White.
I LOVE the animated original, but in a post-Shrek cynical world most audiences would have a hard time buying an extremely faithful adaptation of the 1937 film. The movie started a lot of Disney tropes that have now become the subject of parody almost a century later.
But the problem is, a revisionist feminist version of Snow White in live action was already done in 2012 with Snow White and the Huntsman. Add in Mirror Mirror coming out that same year, and it seems like general audiences already got their fill of a live action version of this particular fairly tale.
Casper Gutman
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A Snow White remake is a significantly harder sell then a Cinderella remake.
Cinderella is a product of a mature studio operating in the 50s, reflecting cinematic conventions that would be much more familiar to modern viewers then those found in a film from 1937. I love Snow White, it’s probably my favorite classic Disney animated film, but more than any other classic Disney animated film (with the exception of the Good Neighbor pictures) you need an understanding of its historical and industrial context to appreciate it.
Farerb
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Which means $728 million today.
Casper Gutman
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I don’t think a lot of folks in this thread are particularly familiar with the animated Snow White.
Farerb
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I agree. And it seems that this remake is going to mush all those versions together.
I think the perfect time for a Snow White remake was probably 10 years ago but I have a feeling Disney didn't want to do it in order to not outshine Once Upon a Time which still aired back then.
Animaniac93-98
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This ignores decades of strong theatrical and home video releases, Snow White's inclusion in the Disney Princess brand, Grumpy t-shirts and coffee mugs and how people pay a premium to get on the Seven Dwarfs coaster because the lines are so long.
Disney's Snow White has always been popular. Snow White and the Huntsman did well relative to its budget. No reason to think the initial concept for a Snow White live-action remake (prior to any casting or creative choices) would do worse than the likes of 2019 Dumbo. If it really was a tough sell, they wouldn't have bothered to do it.
Of course you need context to fully understand how much of a technical and cinematic achievement the original movie was, but Snow White's music, characters and iconography have never totally fallen out of fashion.
Chi84
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The idea of Snow White has never fallen out of fashion. Its iconic status is based on its technical and cinematic achievement for its time.
But the actual movie is too dated and its material too problematic for a faithful live-action remake.
This movie is presumably directed toward a younger, female audience. I don’t know if anyone made Zegler watch it but if so her comments would represent the reaction of that demographic to the original movie.
and those crybabies go after easy targets… Disney is public enemy #1 among the ragers…. It was obvious to anyone Snow White would never join the billion dollar club… I am sure even Disney….all to fit their narrative that their feelings are on the correct side
Farerb
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs wasn't only revolutionary in animation, but in music as well. Many consider it the first time songs and music were used as a storytelling device, something that was done later in Wizard of Oz and then in Rodgers and Hammerstein's musicals.
Casper Gutman
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Snow White has survived as a BRAND separate from the film itself, yes, although even there she’s not one of the more popular princesses.
When I discuss the historical context, I’m not talking about the usual Disney talking point of SW as an artistic innovation, something that is true but doesn’t alter the actual content of the film. The actual film Snow White feels like something from an era with entirely different expectations and understandings in a way something like Casablanca doesn’t.
The protagonists of Snow White have no character arc or real agency. Snow herself harkens back to silent film damsels rather than reflecting, say, the willful female leads of the contemporary screwball comedies. Frankly, she acts like a child. The Prince is an utter nonentity. Compare the nonexistent character growth and development of SW and the Prince to that of Gepetto and Pinocchio just a few years later. The only characters who experience meaningful growth are the dwarfs, secondary characters.
The film has few if any, thematic throughlines. Action doesn’t rise and fall in the expected way - there’s a brief set-up, a long series of gags, and a perfunctory conclusion. It’s essentially structured as an extended short.
The film is still a masterpiece, of course, but more then any other Disney film it feels like an artifact from another time.
Casper Gutman
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There are images of Zegler dressed up as Snow White as a child which commentators here and across the web have worked hard to ignore because it demonstrates the bad faith of their outrage. She was familiar with the film long before she was cast.
Casper Gutman
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I’m… not sure what you mean here. Musicals were common in this era, and while some, like the Warner backstage cycle, used musical numbers mainly as spectacle, many like Anything Goes used it as a key story element. Even earlier you had Gilbert and Sullivan, operettas, etc.