Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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drew81

drew81

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Animaniac93-98 said:
So if WDW is going to reopen without some things like fireworks and parades to discourage large gatherings, how will that affect the holiday parties, where the main selling point is the exclusive entertainment?

Would Disney still charge full price for MNSSHP if the only party exclusive was the free candy? [the answer is yes, but it's something for potential customers to think about]
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Good question.
 
Rich Brownn

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DisneyCane said:
It's only a matter of time before there is an uprising and civil unrest. People will stay under control for a few weeks but at some point they will rebel. The government can't just keep sending out checks to keep people under control. With half the economy shut down there isn't going to be close to enough tax revenue.

I still say that if taken to the Supreme Court it is likely that a lot of these measures would be found unconstitutional. Quarantine of the infected is one thing. Restrictions on people because they might become infected and spread the virus is another concept completely.

I don't think it would have been acceptable in 1981 to tell the gay community that they were only allowed to go to work, to essential stores and back home where they were to not have guests to prevent the spread of AIDS. AIDS had a essentially a 100% mortality rate back then. That would have correctly been found unconstitutional. Other than not specifically being targeted at a specific group, how are the current measures any different?

The orders for certain businesses to close seems to violate the equal protection clause. If I own a grocery store I am allowed to earn a living but if I own a movie theater then I'm not?

If this goes on too long, somebody is going to file a lawsuit to put these things to the test.
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AIDS was spread by sexual contact (or blood transfusions) which led to the closing of bathhouses, and huge campaigns about safe sex.Not compatible at all.
 
flynnibus

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Animaniac93-98 said:
The whole point of declaring a national emergency is to limit/control human activity to protect the population. Normal rules don't apply.

Doubt you could challenge it legally, especially with court cases on hold.
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National Emergencies don't trump the constitution though. It's more about efficiencies between congress and the executive branch.

It gets even more complex because most of this is really about the rights at the state level - not federal. And most people don't know anything about their state constitutions...
 
LittleBuford

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RobWDW1971 said:
Yup - and that's the problem - with no specific stated goal of what we are accomplishing besides meaningless platitudes like "flattening the curve", we will for the first time in history voluntarily destroy our economy and then be left with debating what we accomplished.
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You may not agree with it, but there is indeed a specific stated goal that multiple experts have explained in considerable detail.
 
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Lilofan

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Incomudro said:
Thank you, but there is a more positive side.
I live in a central NJ suburb - houses are on 100 x 200' lots and up, so we are not on top of each other.
There's quite a lot of social distance - even before this broke out.
Work for me however involved boarding an express bus that was often filled to capacity.
Two rows, of paired seats with an aisle down the middle.
I took that bus (an hour and a half ride with those people) into lower Manhattan, where I would then enter the subway to ride the train into Brooklyn. Just one subway stop though.
I worked in Downtown Brooklyn where the streets are really crowded.
So, all and all - I'm really happy that my retirement happened when it did.
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Congratulations and if you can afford to still live in NJ and pay the highest property taxes in the nation, that's a great accomplishment.
 
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Lilofan

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Animaniac93-98 said:
So if WDW is going to reopen without some things like fireworks and parades to discourage large gatherings, how will that affect the holiday parties, where the main selling point is the exclusive entertainment?

Would Disney still charge full price for MNSSHP if the only party exclusive was the free candy? [the answer is yes, but it's something for potential customers to think about]
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If Disney minimized their offerings to include your idea of no fireworks and parades, there would be a number of cast members without a job since these work departments have speciality trained cast.
 
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Lilofan

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jt04 said:
If nothing is open people will mostly comply. I think nearly all recognize how serious this is. If some people are stupid and want to risk their elderly relatives then we should take note of who they are.
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That's exactly what the thousands of college spring breakers from all over the USA are by risking is their lives and their families that they are going home to from their wild spring break adventures in Florida recently.
 
DisneyDebRob

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Well it finally hit my town. I live about a mile from a casino. The casino closed on March 15 way after the governor was saying non essential establishments should close. I had called the township wondering why a place with thousands of people, sitting basically on top of each other playing slots was still not compliant. The answer was.. “ we are monitoring the situation closely”. Last night a employee was positive with the person working their last night on March 8th. Doesn’t give any info about who it is, which is fine but wondering how the heck you get in touch with thousands of people who were packed in like sardines for whatever time period.

Parx Casino employee tests positive for COVID-19 | FOX 29 Philadelphia

Parx Casino announced a casino floor employee has tested positive for COVID-19.
www.fox29.com www.fox29.com
 
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Patcheslee

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ImperfectPixie said:
Every time I see movies theaters or the word "airborne" mentioned...the movie Outbreak comes to mind.
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Our local charity/haunted house is hosting a free Social Distancing Cinema drive-in night. Must stay in the vehicle due to CDC recommendations- playing The Andromeda Strain. Kinda curious how well ppl can behave in this situation, or if the city will ask them to shut it down. Town pop. about 18K.
 
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seascape

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The US Constitution has nothing to do with the States closing businesses. The US Constitution clearly states that all powers not given to the Federal Government are left to the States. The orders on lockdowns, business closings and activities allowed in public have all been made and issued by the States and are therefore in compliance with the US Constitution.
 
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thomas998

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flynnibus said:
National Emergencies don't trump the constitution though. It's more about efficiencies between congress and the executive branch.

It gets even more complex because most of this is really about the rights at the state level - not federal. And most people don't know anything about their state constitutions...
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Actually they pretty much suspend parts of the Constitution. Think back to Roosevelt putting the Japanese Americans into interment camps, or Bush allowing torture after 9/11. There are certain powers Trump would have by declaring a national emergency that he would never had otherwise and it would be extremely rare for the court to stop or even consider stopping. During an emergency most courts assume that their are extreme events beyond the scope of the powers normally granted by the Constitution and do nothing.to stop them... Maybe Truman when he tried to control steel production in during his term was a rare exception but basically Trump has a lot more power once a national emergency is put into effect. Making it more problematic is that while Congress put in place a method of tempering those power by requiring themselves to meet every 6 months to determine if they national emergency should be terminated, Congress hasn't had those meeting as they were supposed to an many past national emergencies are theoretically in effect well after one would have thought the emergency had passed.

You might view the national emergency as a way of suspending the Constitution which is pretty much what it can do. If Trump wanted to turn off the internet or freeze bank accounts he could by using the powers during a national emergency even though he could never do that in normal times.
 
Timmay

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Lilofan said:
Thank you. Thinking of the almighty dollar or to preserve life. I choose the second option.
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That’s a false dilemma.

I’m not saying preserving life isn’t important. I’m saying that to reach a defined outcome successfully there has to be a very defined goal or set of goals. “Our goal is to decrease the number of deaths by X amount by X date by doing X and X.” That’s an outcome defined with goals.
 
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