Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Disney Irish

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Your a fan…I get it.
Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.

We can all postulate.
Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.

Mine is they’re gonna have to reverse course a bit and pay the actors ransom as they try and maintain juice. Just an assumption after spending a few years on the planet…
If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....

Well for at least Evan and Johansson that is already rumored to be the case for either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both.

However RDJ said recently that he doesn't believe there is anything more he can do with the character, so it would have to be a really compelling story and reason for Tony to return, ie he isn't coming back for just a paycheck. But really he wants to do other stuff and not be tied down to the one character. Could it take a "actors ransom" as you say for him to come back, dunno but doesn't seem like it. But does the MCU really needed RDJ to return, nope don't think so. As there are many stories not involving Tony Stark that can be told in the MCU.

You’ve got 45 more movies queue up in just this post.
Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.

But lets say you're right and its 45 movies, and? You do realize that Feige is already laying out the next 10 years of the MCU. So yes there is plans to have Phases 7, 8 and 9 and more. They have so many stories from the Marvel Universe to tell they could literally spend the next 30+ years telling them and not even get through 25%.

So you’re taking the “over” and I’m taking the “under”
Yes long term I'm taking the over.

Good discussion either way
Yes it is.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Here's where that domestic box office stands today, and compares with other Marvel films in the last year and the original Black Panther '18 plus Top Gun and Spiderman for '22 reference points.
Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.

It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...

Here, let me try... It seems that Top Gun wasn't really a movie that people wanted to see...

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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.


Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.


If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....

Well for at least Evan and Johansson that is already rumored to be the case for either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both.

However RDJ said recently that he doesn't believe there is anything more he can do with the character, so it would have to be a really compelling story and reason for Tony to return, ie he isn't coming back for just a paycheck. But really he wants to do other stuff and not be tied down to the one character. Could it take a "actors ransom" as you say for him to come back, dunno but doesn't seem like it. But does the MCU really needed RDJ to return, nope don't think so. As there are many stories not involving Tony Stark that can be told in the MCU.


Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.

But lets say you're right and its 45 movies, and? You do realize that Feige is already laying out the next 10 years of the MCU. So yes there is plans to have Phases 7, 8 and 9 and more. They have so many stories from the Marvel Universe to tell they could literally spend the next 30+ years telling them and not even get through 25%.


Yes long term I'm taking the over.


Yes it is.
As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.

Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.

And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must 👍🏻

The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.

So then they embolden more.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.

It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...

Here, let me try... It seems that Top Gun wasn't really a movie that people wanted to see...

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Except they people kept going to see top gun for 6 months.

They’re bored with Wakanda as if Rian Johnson crapped it onto the screen…
…”3 and out”

Similar to “love and ragnarok”
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.
…look harder. But not that much. A ton of bravado on this one. Which is typical…but even a bit understandable.

The first One was a significant effort…it did very well.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.
I can speak as both.

Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.
Feige is for the most part left alone to make the decisions for Marvel. And Feige knows the fanbase and the content really well, as deep down he is a fan himself. Doesn't mean there aren't missteps along the way. But it does mean that when there is a misstep the fans are more likely to give them a pass as Feige so far has known how to correct those missteps. Obviously some opinions will vary, but I think that is the general consensus among fans.

And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must 👍🏻
The MCU at some point in the future will reboot things, its been done in the comics more times than I can count. Again Feige know the content. The difference is these wouldn't be a traditional reboot/remakes. I trust Feige will know how to reboot the MCU when the time is right.

The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.

So then they embolden more.
Marvel fans have been eating pretty good for the last 14 years with the MCU. So I believe most can sleep pretty well at night.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie.

Go back to July, 2022 of this thread. There were a couple folks saying exactly that.

But I've said silly stuff here in the past too, so I'm not going to call them out specifically. No harm, no foul.

Hell, back in 2012 I actually posted here that I thought Luigi's Flying Tires was a lot of fun*! :oops:

* = Once you waited in line two or three times and learned how to steer the damn thing.
 
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TP2000

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Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.

It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...

I'm pretty sure I quite clearly called out that we were discussing movies from the past 12 months, not movies of all time historically since the invention of the moving picture. Or sound. Or color. Or Demi Moore being topless.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
…look harder. But not that much. A ton of bravado on this one. Which is typical…but even a bit understandable.

The first One was a significant effort…it did very well.

I think it was a safe bet that this second one would do at least $900 Million globally. Yet now it likely won't reach that.

But doing $1.5 Billion or higher? That seems wildly optimistic, even six months ago.

The real story here is that the budget for this second Black Panther movie swelled to $250 Million, meaning it's just barely earning Burbank a few tens of millions in profit over a month after its release. How these budgets bloat up that big is beyond me and my non-Hollywood brain. But so few seem to question it, that perhaps it's just best to ignore that angle and pretend it's no problem?

Sort of like Crypto. So many people just want to ignore the most basic questions about that weird concept.

Sorry, I just got back from a dinner with friends where we talked about Cryptocurrency, and all of us worked damned hard our entire lives and are now comfortably retired; a retirement that is dependent on traditional stocks and bonds and commodities and pensions and cash in the bank. How on earth the Smart Set decided that random computer code written by some neckbeard nerd in the Bahamas was actually worth something is beyond us! It was a very fun and very funny dinner tonight! :cool:
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
How on earth the Smart Set decided that random computer code written by some neckbeard nerd in the Bahamas was actually worth something is beyond us!
I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.

Now as for why some computer code, well that gets into blockchain and distributive ledgers, too deep and technical for this site. But if you want to know more about it, check this link out for an easy to understand explaination.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think it was a safe bet that this second one would do at least $900 Million globally. Yet now it likely won't reach that.

But doing $1.5 Billion or higher? That seems wildly optimistic, even six months ago.

The real story here is that the budget for this second Black Panther movie swelled to $250 Million, meaning it's just barely earning Burbank a few tens of millions in profit over a month after its release. How these budgets bloat up that big is beyond me and my non-Hollywood brain. But so few seem to question it, that perhaps it's just best to ignore that angle and pretend it's no problem?

Sort of like Crypto. So many people just want to ignore the most basic questions about that weird concept.

Sorry, I just got back from a dinner with friends where we talked about Cryptocurrency, and all of us worked damned hard our entire lives and are now comfortably retired; a retirement that is dependent on traditional stocks and bonds and commodities and pensions and cash in the bank. How on earth the Smart Set decided that random computer code written by some neckbeard nerd in the Bahamas was actually worth something is beyond us! It was a very fun and very funny dinner tonight! :cool:
I identified crytpo as the dumbest current idea when I first learned about it and dismissed it outright

I’ve learned never to second guess that instinct
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.

Now as for why some computer code, well that gets into blockchain and distributive ledgers, too deep and technical for this site. But if you want to know more about it, check this link out for an easy to understand explaination.
Is this another “millennial Econ” class?

Because the dollar is no longer on the gold standard…does NOT mean that crypto has any real comparison to centuries old currency markets.

It’s exactly what TP says: a shortcut. A bunch of kids in the middle of the night wanting to be rich and unwilling to follow “the pattern”…so they ordered papa Johns and stayed up all night (for 5 years) and came up with a computer smoke screen with nothing behind it.

And then they paid Matt Damon to plug it 😂
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I'm pretty sure I quite clearly called out that we were discussing movies from the past 12 months, not movies of all time historically since the invention of the moving picture. Or sound. Or color. Or Demi Moore being topless.
Yes, I did see how you chose the parameters of your comparisons so as to have cherry-picked information to make the point your were making.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Were people really expecting this to top the first movie?
After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.

I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.

Go back to July, 2022 of this thread. There were a couple folks saying exactly that.

But I've said silly stuff here in the past too, so I'm not going to call them out specifically. No harm, no foul.

I did go back to the posts of July 2022, and only one person said it would make more.

Not "people", not "a couple of folks."

And in that time frame, one person predicted less and two other said they didn't know how it would do.

The foul is your constant posting of misinformation.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm pretty sure I quite clearly called out that we were discussing movies from the past 12 months, not movies of all time historically since the invention of the moving picture. Or sound. Or color. Or Demi Moore being topless.
…I’m sorry….my brain scrambled…

What was the subject again?
 

Mr Ferret 75

Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
Premium Member
Is this another “millennial Econ” class?

Because the dollar is no longer on the gold standard…does NOT mean that crypto has any real comparison to centuries old currency markets.

It’s exactly what TP says: a shortcut. A bunch of kids in the middle of the night wanting to be rich and unwilling to follow “the pattern”…so they ordered papa Johns and stayed up all night (for 5 years) and came up with a computer smoke screen with nothing behind it.

And then they paid Matt Damon to plug it 😂
the martian GIF
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.

Now as for why some computer code, well that gets into blockchain and distributive ledgers, too deep and technical for this site. But if you want to know more about it, check this link out for an easy to understand explaination.
Sigh...

The value is based on past good behavior and continued expectation of such, that people agree on its value and have reassurance that said value will be maintained by responsible stewardship... which is largely the way the US Treasury Department has acted throughout its history.

The stick of gum and digital currency have no such institutional trust, hence their value is solely based on what someone else is willing to pay for them.

I would really love to track down the crypto-bros who circa 2019 told me how much I was missing out, how behind the times I was, how I was afraid of innovation, etc. I would like to compare how their crypto dreams have panned out against my slow but steady traditional investments. Because along with institutional trust, Schadenfreude is also a thing.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.

Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.

And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must 👍🏻

The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.

So then they embolden more.
Case in point. Tron Legacy.

They got everyone excited about Tron Legacy at Comic Con and had a huge party at DCA. Then Tron got derezzed very quickly.
 


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