Sirwalterraleigh
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Avatar 2 is rocking an 80% on the critic tomatometer as of now…
…that’s a warning flag
…that’s a warning flag
Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.Your a fan…I get it.
Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.We can all postulate.
If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....Mine is they’re gonna have to reverse course a bit and pay the actors ransom as they try and maintain juice. Just an assumption after spending a few years on the planet…
Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.You’ve got 45 more movies queue up in just this post.
Yes long term I'm taking the over.So you’re taking the “over” and I’m taking the “under”
Yes it is.Good discussion either way
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.
Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.Here's where that domestic box office stands today, and compares with other Marvel films in the last year and the original Black Panther '18 plus Top Gun and Spiderman for '22 reference points.
As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.Yes I'm a fan, just one look at my avatar image and one can tell I'm both a Disney and Marvel fan.
Yes we can, its a discussion forum. That is what they are for, postulating about a particular topic in a thread, within the forum guidelines of course.
If you're referring to bringing back Evans, RDJ, and Johansson in some form.....
Well for at least Evan and Johansson that is already rumored to be the case for either Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars or both.
However RDJ said recently that he doesn't believe there is anything more he can do with the character, so it would have to be a really compelling story and reason for Tony to return, ie he isn't coming back for just a paycheck. But really he wants to do other stuff and not be tied down to the one character. Could it take a "actors ransom" as you say for him to come back, dunno but doesn't seem like it. But does the MCU really needed RDJ to return, nope don't think so. As there are many stories not involving Tony Stark that can be told in the MCU.
Not sure your math is right on that. Each Phase is an average of 6 movies, so only about 30ish movies over the Phase 5-9 that I discussed.
But lets say you're right and its 45 movies, and? You do realize that Feige is already laying out the next 10 years of the MCU. So yes there is plans to have Phases 7, 8 and 9 and more. They have so many stories from the Marvel Universe to tell they could literally spend the next 30+ years telling them and not even get through 25%.
Yes long term I'm taking the over.
Yes it is.
Except they people kept going to see top gun for 6 months.Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.
It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...
Here, let me try... It seems that Top Gun wasn't really a movie that people wanted to see...
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…look harder. But not that much. A ton of bravado on this one. Which is typical…but even a bit understandable.I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.
I can speak as both.As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.
Feige is for the most part left alone to make the decisions for Marvel. And Feige knows the fanbase and the content really well, as deep down he is a fan himself. Doesn't mean there aren't missteps along the way. But it does mean that when there is a misstep the fans are more likely to give them a pass as Feige so far has known how to correct those missteps. Obviously some opinions will vary, but I think that is the general consensus among fans.Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.
The MCU at some point in the future will reboot things, its been done in the comics more times than I can count. Again Feige know the content. The difference is these wouldn't be a traditional reboot/remakes. I trust Feige will know how to reboot the MCU when the time is right.And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must![]()
Marvel fans have been eating pretty good for the last 14 years with the MCU. So I believe most can sleep pretty well at night.The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.
So then they embolden more.
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie.
Isn't it amazing that when you name the top domestic box office, that other movies -- purely by coincidence -- don't have a higher box office.
It's almost as if a movie that makes it to the top is the top and all the others aren't. Hmm...
…look harder. But not that much. A ton of bravado on this one. Which is typical…but even a bit understandable.
The first One was a significant effort…it did very well.
I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.How on earth the Smart Set decided that random computer code written by some neckbeard nerd in the Bahamas was actually worth something is beyond us!
I identified crytpo as the dumbest current idea when I first learned about it and dismissed it outrightI think it was a safe bet that this second one would do at least $900 Million globally. Yet now it likely won't reach that.
But doing $1.5 Billion or higher? That seems wildly optimistic, even six months ago.
The real story here is that the budget for this second Black Panther movie swelled to $250 Million, meaning it's just barely earning Burbank a few tens of millions in profit over a month after its release. How these budgets bloat up that big is beyond me and my non-Hollywood brain. But so few seem to question it, that perhaps it's just best to ignore that angle and pretend it's no problem?
Sort of like Crypto. So many people just want to ignore the most basic questions about that weird concept.
Sorry, I just got back from a dinner with friends where we talked about Cryptocurrency, and all of us worked damned hard our entire lives and are now comfortably retired; a retirement that is dependent on traditional stocks and bonds and commodities and pensions and cash in the bank. How on earth the Smart Set decided that random computer code written by some neckbeard nerd in the Bahamas was actually worth something is beyond us! It was a very fun and very funny dinner tonight!![]()
Is this another “millennial Econ” class?I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.
Now as for why some computer code, well that gets into blockchain and distributive ledgers, too deep and technical for this site. But if you want to know more about it, check this link out for an easy to understand explaination.
Yes, I did see how you chose the parameters of your comparisons so as to have cherry-picked information to make the point your were making.I'm pretty sure I quite clearly called out that we were discussing movies from the past 12 months, not movies of all time historically since the invention of the moving picture. Or sound. Or color. Or Demi Moore being topless.
Were people really expecting this to top the first movie?
After a quick scan of this thread, apparently so.
I don't remember anyone saying it was going to do *more* that the first movie. I'm sure you'd be able to quote the several people from this thread to back up that claim, which may be difficult since you immediately quote someone saying it will make less.
Go back to July, 2022 of this thread. There were a couple folks saying exactly that.
But I've said silly stuff here in the past too, so I'm not going to call them out specifically. No harm, no foul.
…I’m sorry….my brain scrambled…I'm pretty sure I quite clearly called out that we were discussing movies from the past 12 months, not movies of all time historically since the invention of the moving picture. Or sound. Or color. Or Demi Moore being topless.
Is this another “millennial Econ” class?
Because the dollar is no longer on the gold standard…does NOT mean that crypto has any real comparison to centuries old currency markets.
It’s exactly what TP says: a shortcut. A bunch of kids in the middle of the night wanting to be rich and unwilling to follow “the pattern”…so they ordered papa Johns and stayed up all night (for 5 years) and came up with a computer smoke screen with nothing behind it.
And then they paid Matt Damon to plug it![]()
Sigh...I'm not a crypto guy at all, I've always thought it was a fad for many reasons. But if you actually know how currency works you'd understand that the cash in the bank ain't actually worth anything. There is nothing backing a dollar except what a bank and the US Government says its worth. Tomorrow they could say a stick of gum is the new currency and all your dollar based retirement is wiped away. So whether a dollar, stick of gum, or digital currency, they are all actually worth nothing but what banks and governments say they are worth. The world's financial market is a house built of cards, 2007/2008 taught us that.
Now as for why some computer code, well that gets into blockchain and distributive ledgers, too deep and technical for this site. But if you want to know more about it, check this link out for an easy to understand explaination.
Case in point. Tron Legacy.As long as you’re speaking more as a marvel fan than a Disney fan…I will yield to your judgment.
Disney has shown a shocking inability to read the fanbases of their core IP. It’s a “factory” of creative void and misunderstanding.
And they suck at remakes and reboots. Don’t even try it…
…make mighty ducks 9 and home alone 11 if you must
The problem with Disney fans is they can’t sleep at night if they have to accept they make tons of mistakes…so they refuse to do it.
So then they embolden more.
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