bethymouse
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"Cultural norms" suck! Oops! I just used a bad word. Sorry.
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bad language in the parks
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FettFan
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Welcome to the new normal, I'm sorry to say.
Product of the poor American education system. Anyone who throws around f-bombs casually...just one look and you KNOW they're not the brightest bulbs on the strand.
Practically have "duh" tattooed across their foreheads.
AndyS2992
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It's actually 'Walt Disney World: Where Dreams Come True', formerly 'The Vacation Kingdom of the World' and 'Magical Place on Earth'.
Where Dreams Come True can be seen on signage and during the Dream Along with Mickey show.
Then about a minute in to DAWM they sing 'Join the party at the place where dreams come true'
So yeah.
Matt_Black
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There are no inherent virtues or drawbacks to words. If a word is considered vulgar, it's because someone decided they didn't like and conned everyone else into believing it. As Shakespeare said, "There is nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so."
sweetpee_1993
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Regardless of what others have expressed, I appreciate your candid honesty. We're mature adults here. We should be able to discuss these topics without judging.
In my daily life I weave swears like a fine tapestry. Sure do. I can behave myself and tone my language to almost passable for a lady when I need to. In the public I try to keep my profanity to a minimum out of respect for others and/or children. I will shoosh my husband like a relentless champ. Promise. But when I'm down to being me the swears are there. I make sailors blush.
I know exactly why these words are such a solid part of my vocabulary. My dad was a USNavy sailor but he typically toned-down his language around me (or any female). My mom's 2nd husband who raised me spoke almost entirely in profanity. It didn't matter where he was, what he was talking about, etc. It was there. He was also ex-USNavy. I won't go into a lot of detail about him or his parenting. I may speak using the words I heard but I have never turned them AT my children in the way it was done to me.
Yep, I can tell humorous stories of hearing my sweet little toddlers trying out the bad words, too. Yes, we taught them that those words were bad. My mother once fussed at me for punishing one of my boys for saying a bad word when he was a toddler. "How can you tell him he can't say that when you do?" My response: "Well, I also drive cars, use sharp knives when cooking, have sex, and drink alcohol. Should he (as a child) do that, too?"
One of my sister-in-laws has always been okay with her kids swearing at home. Not me. That's an "adult" thing that has to be learned the proper time & place. We asked her kids not to do that at our house and they don't. We told our boys from the start that we realize when they're alone with their peers they'll use bad language and we'll never have control of that. But, when in the presence of adults and/or kids younger than them they WILL show proper respect, behave, and speak using only appropriate language. Again, teaching responsibility and awareness. This rule still holds true even with them being 16 & 18. As they've gotten older they slip a word here or there in front of me and occasionally my husband but it never goes without notice. And apology.
I imagine at some point our boys will live on their own and probably end up swearing along the way I do even in the presence of my parents. When they're grown, independent men that's their prerogative. I'm okay with that.
I've heard swearing in the parks but it doesn't really bother me because I grew up with that as normal speech. I do make an effort not to swear in the public especially in the presence of children out of consideration.
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Goofnut1980
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Oh not me.. I would have caused some DRAMA up in that place! I can swear like the best of them, but when at DIsney it's a no-no. I will tell someone where to stick that tongue of theirs for being inconsiderate. I have even told managers at the parks before and watched people be escorted out. It helps when you are SUPER nice to the managers and show how concerned you are about these people causing a lot of problems and how suspicious they are acting... WORKS LIKE A CHARM!!! Plus I am used to getting my way.. LOL so I have that in my favor.
I don't play around at Disney. Btw, the word suspicious is what we use for our neighborhood block watch when you have to call the police. It is a KEY word and no matter what they will send a patrol. I live next to an elementary school and kids will go into the park at night (no lighting around) and you will see little orange lights from whatever they decide to smoke. I call and say its suspicious.. and BAM... police! I can only laugh how well it works. It's my neighborhood and no one will show disrespect and not follow the rules of the school and the playground. Teens have learned do not go there at night or cops will come!
HouCuseChickie
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To be perfectly honest, I haven't noticed anyone spewing curse words left and right while at WDW. I mean, I've probably heard a random F-bomb here or there...usually an overwhelmed parent who was having a knee jerk cursing reaction to vacation stress, but nothing extreme.
I do try and stifle any of my cursing while at WDW, but I'm sure I've slipped here and there. Then again, these words that I'm trying to stifle are things I grew up hearing and they were usually heard when something really got to my dad. i.e. it's that cathartic release of cursing when something goes wrong. Considering most people are not using these words in a hateful manner- they've never really bothered me.
You can argue that acceptance of such words is indicative of the degradation of society, but I disagree. If anything, I hear less of these words in conversation now than I did 10-20-30 years ago. And the reality, someone dropping an F-bomb because something really frustrated them does no major harm IMO. Kids are going to hear these words no matter how much you try and insulate them from it...so your job as a parent is to explain it to them. Plus, kids who know about these words- i.e. parents talked to them about it all- are far less likely to get in trouble with them.
Ultimately- It's the nasty petty ugly personal attacks/comments some people make regarding others that bothers me. Sure, we hear about teens all of the time with bullying, but there are PLENTY of adults who are just as guilty of such hateful behavior. I've heard some pretty nasty comments in line at WDW- shameful things. Soooooo, I'd rather hear you cursing left and right than quietly mocking the family that just passed by because you don't find them to be visually pleasing.
I do try and stifle any of my cursing while at WDW, but I'm sure I've slipped here and there. Then again, these words that I'm trying to stifle are things I grew up hearing and they were usually heard when something really got to my dad. i.e. it's that cathartic release of cursing when something goes wrong. Considering most people are not using these words in a hateful manner- they've never really bothered me.
You can argue that acceptance of such words is indicative of the degradation of society, but I disagree. If anything, I hear less of these words in conversation now than I did 10-20-30 years ago. And the reality, someone dropping an F-bomb because something really frustrated them does no major harm IMO. Kids are going to hear these words no matter how much you try and insulate them from it...so your job as a parent is to explain it to them. Plus, kids who know about these words- i.e. parents talked to them about it all- are far less likely to get in trouble with them.
Ultimately- It's the nasty petty ugly personal attacks/comments some people make regarding others that bothers me.
Sure, we hear about teens all of the time with bullying, but there are PLENTY of adults who are just as guilty of such hateful behavior. I've heard some pretty nasty comments in line at WDW- shameful things. Soooooo, I'd rather hear you cursing left and right than quietly mocking the family that just passed by because you don't find them to be visually pleasing.
AndyS2992
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Oh this reminds me of a time when my sister got off Tower of Terror for the first time and shouted 'Oh My God' for some reason and this religious woman stormed over wagging her finger telling her that the Lord's name should not be used in that way, and she was really aggressive about it too. I thought it was rather funny. Religion in the UK seems to be at an all time low whereas in America it seems to be pretty strong still.
Iwannabeindisney89
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If you wouldn't "kiss your mother with that mouth" then there's no place for it in Disney where there's tons of children... Fact to live by! @Andys2992 Your story reminded me of walking through the parks and seeing the infamous "Jesus loves you" written in the sky, hearing lots of Brits/Europeans around me thinking it's an "American thing" lol too funny. sorry your sis had to deal with that woman! We don't all push our religious beliefs on strangers!
Californian Elitist
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I've let words slip, but usually never out loud. I don't want children picking up some of my bad habits.
Robin Of Loxley
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Really? How is "Norms" a bad word?"Cultural norms" suck! Oops! I just used a bad word. Sorry.
Matt_Black
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Really? How is "Norms" a bad word?
I think they were referring to "suck". Depending on the context, some people consider that inappropriate.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
I guess I just don't get that connection. One word is just another term for s-e-x (did the filters even let that through?), which if we didn't have, we wouldn't be discussing if it is acceptable to use the term in in front of the children that wouldn't exist.
The other term was used to degrade an entire race of people based only on the color of their skin.
To me that is where the intent behind the word comes in. Some people long ago thought sex was dirty and evil, so they made discussing it, except for in the most scientific of ways, "bad". On the other side some people long ago decided that an entire race of people were less than them and used, among other things, language as a weapon to keep themselves feeling above the other group of people.
Those two words in my mind do not belong in the same league.
But again, that is my opinion, and I do my best to watch my mouth. Since my parents didn't swear, I'm really good at turning my filter on and off when appropriate.
Matt_Black
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No, you're absolutely right. Language can be an insidious tool for enforcing certain norms. Take, for example, the use of the pronoun "he" when the gender of the person is unknown. That is the official rule, and yet it enforces the idea that males are superior.
networkpro
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Oh lets not muddle the topic, it was about inappropriate utterance of vulgarities, not which words are pejorative in which normative societal context. Indeed this is about upbringing, formal education, and cognitive ability (or the lack there of for all of these). Children revile in the ability to "get away" with employing bad language and will continue it if not corrected and provided incentives never to do so. Its a sad commentary on the relative health of the self centered mindset. I can so I shall.
sshindel
The Epcot Manifesto
Interesting thoughts, but I was a child of an upbringing where "swear" words were not allowed, I am college educated, and would consider myself relatively smart (others may disagree).
Again, I just believe that words are neither bad or good. They are words. The intent behind the words by the speaker is what renders them right or wrong.
Kuzcotopia
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As a high school educator who teaches in a poverty-stricken area, I hear quite a bit of foul language. I handle it professionally, but also with patience.
The average American student spends about 6.5 hours in a classroom setting, and the remaining 17.5 hours outside of it. The kids bring a variety of challenges to our classrooms that are often outside the logistics of our funding and our time. In many cases, these kids come to my school district in Kindergarden, already dropping f-bombs.
We do what we can during their time in public education to promote courage, responsibility, and respect in our students (and the community), but we aren't miracle workers.
Matt_Black
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Who said the language is bad? Most of our curse words come from English's Germanic roots. However, to be cultured back in the day, you wanted to aspire to Greek or Latin. It was just another way of "othering" and enforcing class systems.