Glad to hear that about the buses. The one time I thought "Disney Transportation has really good buses", lol.
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Glad to hear that about the buses. The one time I thought "Disney Transportation has really good buses", lol.
I had almost forgotten about the rumors of tearing down the south Garden Wing and building another BLT tower. However, if a tower were to replace the south Garden Wing, it will have a ton of lake view rooms but not a lot of MK view rooms due to that pesky Contemporary building being in the way. If they were to build a tower on the site of the current convention center, it would probably provide half MK view rooms and half lake view rooms.
Figments Friend
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Building something with some levels to it on the ol' River Country plot sure would have some swell views.
Or then again, maybe not...
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Or then again, maybe not...
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ParentsOf4
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In case anyone wonders why Disney is adding hotel room capacity:
PhotoDave219
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First, a sincere thanks to @danlb_2000 and @P_Radden for their hard work breaking that crazy (but true!) gondola story and Disney's rush to get ahead of their resort plans (massive as they were described to me) and changes coming and rushing out the Coronado tower and admitting changes were coming to CBR, just not with a new transport system, a new DVC deluxe resort and reduced capacity at CBR.
All of this has allowed me to only be a dozen or so pages behind on my own thread.
What exactly is going on you ask?
Well, the CBR is being contracted in size. And a DVC resort will be going there (I am fairly certain on theme, but am holding back for a bit because I still recall my teepee art at the WL that wound up being cabins ... I still like the teepees better!)
Why gondolas?
Because it is the absolute cheapest transportation Disney could add there beyond more buses. And they will be used to tout the area's direct connection to the SWE when it opens in 2019 ... or 2020 (no, I don't really care what Iger said as he often lies publicly, even on opening dates!) This is designed to make the area more desirable and give Disney (they hope) the ability to sell more rooms at higher price points (see those $49 rooms at the All Stars or $145 rooms at DAK Lodge right now if you think more rooms is what Disney needs).
This will also bring about the long planned idea of dropping the 'value', 'moderate' and 'deluxe' categories and allow for them to sell based on location and desire. You want direct transport to that outpost on the edge of space at whatever Disney-MGM's corpse will be called? Well, would you pay $250 a night to stay at Pop Century? $400 for CBR? Yes, this IS the thinking behind this. And it will be property wide. You can already smell those $1200 a night standard rooms at the Poly for Christmas, right?
More Gondolas elsewhere?
Down the road, maybe. Right now, no.
How does Coronado fit in?
The resort will be seeing an expansion yet again at the convention center to make up for the loss at the Contemporary (timeshare is more valuable than conventions, apparently). So a need for deluxe inventory will get moved over to this resort, which will see even more upgrades and much higher price points.
Does this mean no DVC at Coronado Springs?
Not 100% sure, but it looks that way.
But there has to be more DVC coming?
Hell yeah. At least three resorts right now, including new builds at CBR and in EPCOT resort area.
Is Coronado the only place where actual new non-timeshare inventory will be added?
No. They are looking at multiples. But the big one is that the EPCOT resort I first broke here years ago appears to be on again as a full blown, very pricey, very deluxe resort. Yes, this is the one at the entrance that was planned as DVC. I still believe the resort will be part hotel/part timeshare, but conflicting talk on that.
There also are plans for a Star Wars themed resort of some type. But it would appear to be so top secret that it isn't worth discussing yet.No timeshare with this one.
Should I be excited by this?
No, not unless you are such an addict to a BRAND that you want to pay 5-star dollars for 3-star rooms and services.
Why all this stuff now when we've had next to nothing for years?
Simple. Star Wars, WDW's 50th and ... Pandora.
Chappie and The Weatherman expect WDW attendance to go up BIGLY in the next 5-6 years. They believe demand will outpace supply and that you will pay Four Seasons prices for a Disney motel if it is sold/targeted correctly. They may be right with many of you. I am largely over WDW and admit that. I am excited by DAK and very little else, except CM 40% dining discounts. But if you are an addict or a newbie, maybe you will pay those prices. Even if they excite me, I'll simply use my DVC points. Barring a parks renaissance that I don't see happening.
So basically Bobby doesnt care if he drives people away in the process....
PhotoDave219
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Dave! Nice to see you.
I float around here and there.....
Quinnmac000
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Remember how Spirit said Universal was granting and overlooking Disney using Marvel in the parks for other reasons and it wasn't related to theme parks. One of the reasons may turn out to be M Night Shamalyan as they now have a shared universe together thanks to his last film.
Mike S
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What?
Mike S
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Eh. Marvel is more valuable than Mr. Shamalamadingdong. I doubt that's what they took in exchange for a few Marvel IPs being allowed in WDW.
JoeCamel
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Quinnmac000
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A week long meet and greet here and there for an IP that costs already 15 million to make 2 million to market and grosses around 100+mil means better ROI in the short term and easy to churn out. Most companies would that responsible to turn a blind eye in the long run.
rushtest4echo
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I get a kick out of people trying to convince themselves that Disney takes losses on rooms when they knock 50% off rack rates. Extra capacity isn't intended to help during light attendance, and they still turn a healthy margin for each and every room on property when occupency is over 80% even with steep discounts.
Just keep spinning the BS though... Don't let hospitality analysts, or Rosen, or analytics, and even Sea World/Universals admission that the market is under capacity sway you. Stick to the internet experts instead who are insisting that discounting rooms by 30-40% when margins are double that is a bad move on Disneys part.
When Pop or another resort shoot up in price its because demand is outpacing supply... Pretty obvious there. So what do you experts want, less supply? Lets see what happens to these 'overpriced motels' pricing if attendance grows by double digits and available rooms don't increase.
The market needs more rooms. Attend a seminar or a lecture where hard figures are analyzed and decisions are made. Might I suggest the World Research Summit for Tourism and Hospitality this December.
It's right down the street at Shingle Creek. All of the industry agrees on Orlandos growth potential and the need for more rooms. Theres a reason Universal has been so aggressive on it lately. Theres a reason Sea World said they need to concentrate on getting hotel rooms into the chain especially in Orlando.
Just keep spinning the BS though... Don't let hospitality analysts, or Rosen, or analytics, and even Sea World/Universals admission that the market is under capacity sway you. Stick to the internet experts instead who are insisting that discounting rooms by 30-40% when margins are double that is a bad move on Disneys part.
When Pop or another resort shoot up in price its because demand is outpacing supply... Pretty obvious there. So what do you experts want, less supply? Lets see what happens to these 'overpriced motels' pricing if attendance grows by double digits and available rooms don't increase.
The market needs more rooms. Attend a seminar or a lecture where hard figures are analyzed and decisions are made. Might I suggest the World Research Summit for Tourism and Hospitality this December.
It's right down the street at Shingle Creek. All of the industry agrees on Orlandos growth potential and the need for more rooms. Theres a reason Universal has been so aggressive on it lately. Theres a reason Sea World said they need to concentrate on getting hotel rooms into the chain especially in Orlando.
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CJR
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And keep in mind, the gondola's will only get you to two of the four parks, so it's not even something people will take advantage of daily unless they want to avoid the kingdoms for some reason. So, if you factor in the increase per gondola ride, that'll be one expensive trip.
The real winners will be those people park hopping from Epcot to DHS (or the other way) and stay off property or are local.
PizzaPlanet
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WDW could open nothing and they would still win May 27th!
ford91exploder
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I can see the other garden wing going buh-bye. The convention center not so much but once again it will be DVC bucks building more contemporary inventory.
As much as Disney would like to eliminate the convention center it's a deluxe convention space and CBR would double WDW's convention capacity so I can't see them doing it because now Disney can host two conventions instead of one and that market is becoming increasingly competitive in MCO
wannabeBelle
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Ford do you think that they will leave the convention space in the Contemporary, build new space in Coronado or both? Thanks in advance for the clarification. Marie
ford91exploder
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I'm no insider but I think Coronado will be getting new convention space remember that CBR hosts smaller conventions already like the annual Tupperware sales meeting.
I think the convention center in the Contemporary is safe and may even be upgraded because big conventions where people bring families command a premium room rate because convention hotel is on monorail line.
The garden wing is an inefficient use of prime land and symmetry in design is broken so I can see a BLT II project which will return design symmetry but with a different room layout so that MK view singles/studios are maximized and the bigger DVC rooms are primarily lake view rooms with exception of GV's on top floor
wannabeBelle
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Thanks, I understand this is simply an educated opinion. Where it actually goes can be anyone's guess. Appreciate the thoughts and keep em coming!! Marie
ryguy
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Are DVC numbers part of this diagram? Or are they considered there own entity? Also hasn't Disney eliminated/converted rooms over to DVC and does this skew the occupancy numbers the last few years?