JediMasterMatt
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Also, a reminder that Pop is currently getting lots of rooms taken offline due to the renovation. So, the available pool is narrowed even further.
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Also, a reminder that Pop is currently getting lots of rooms taken offline due to the renovation. So, the available pool is narrowed even further.
GrammieBee
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So let me see if I have this right. Disney is building more rooms and gondolas so they can charge higher premium prices to have even more people in the parks because Pandora will be opening ,they will at some point in time do something about the past neglect of EPCOT and they are building SWL and TSL which are increasing park area but have essentially the same number of attractions that they first eliminated at the Studios..
$$$$$ and crowds, oh my.
$$$$$ and crowds, oh my.
HauntedMansionFLA
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It was rumored a while back that Universal was looking at a monorail system to connect the theme park with the hotels. Now, both Disney and Universal are rumored to be looking at the Gondola transportation system. I'm with you on not being a water park person but Universal looks like they have something pretty cool. In the long run, it benefits visiting guest because, hopefully, one will try to outdo the other.
ford91exploder
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Anyone who is not a TWDC employee staying during a 'Gold' period
CaptainAmerica
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I am not a TWDC employee, as the 20 inches of snow outside my window can attest. I have, however, spoken about the fact that I often travel on a Cast Member friends and family discount of 40%. Even then, 30% off during value season will get you to $250 at AKL, and that's not all that rare.
UpAllNight
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We can't complain about investment in Disney World but I agree with the point above...they really need to speed up attraction development across ALL 4 parks.
They're building the infrastructure which will see them well in the future, but Parks are their bread and butter and they must do better than they are right now. I still find myself frustrated despite the welcome developments this week. Possibly out of fear that as money is going on infrastructure, it won't be going on the parks where it is getting desperate.
They're building the infrastructure which will see them well in the future, but Parks are their bread and butter and they must do better than they are right now. I still find myself frustrated despite the welcome developments this week. Possibly out of fear that as money is going on infrastructure, it won't be going on the parks where it is getting desperate.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
The ad's for a 30% at AKL are pretty common but just try BOOKING one of those so called offers pure bait and switch, In the end you ARE staying as you note on a CM discount which is 40%.
SorcererMC
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Are you a Disney spokesperson?
That is essentially the same as what they told CNN.Disney said in an emailed statement that it changes prices in order to "better manage demand" and "is reflective of the distinctly Disney offerings at all of our parks."
"If you compare our pricing to other forms of family entertainment - from football games to golf events to ski passes, major concerts - we offer a great value for the money. Guests can enjoy a full day of entertainment (up to 16 hours) when at Disney Parks," a company spokesperson said
"If you compare our pricing to other forms of family entertainment - from football games to golf events to ski passes, major concerts - we offer a great value for the money. Guests can enjoy a full day of entertainment (up to 16 hours) when at Disney Parks," a company spokesperson said
Entertainment spending remains fixed, for the most part, across all cohorts. Those entertainment venues, and Disney, are all following the same logic/ consumer expenditure trends - higher income consumers are willing to pay more for the experience (and status) of that entertainment. I wouldn't say they only care about the rich, but it's disingenuous to say that they are not targeting higher income consumers....their marketing and price signaling indicate that this is what they are doing. (I'm not judging it as good or bad here, just describing the trend.)
Secondly - quoting this for emphasis, that WDW1974's assertion is correct
because Disney literally just said as much in their statement above... ie 'better manage demand' and is 'reflective of the distinctly Disney offerings at all of our parks'.
BubbaQuest
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Help a non-Florida resident understand this. Won't gondolas be the least reliable form of transportation in Orlando's weather? Maybe mechanics have improved, but I always remember the local park skyways closing at the first hint of wind or lightning. Are we talking maybe a larger enclosed tramway system?
UpAllNight
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What would an American audience pay for 14 & 21 days multi park passes to Disney?
I think we get a good deal here in the UK, overall.
I think we get a good deal here in the UK, overall.
NearTheEars
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Someone said earlier that they can run through rains and wind up to 50 mph.
Lightning, though, may be tricky, just as it's proven to be for the monorails on occasion.
jakeman
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Week of July 4th is gold right?
Week prior to Easter. A bit worse, but we're less than two months out:
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Way more than I would pay for Pop, but no where near $250.
EDIT: I believe @WDW1974 intent was to imply that the current resort improvements would be made to justify a price increase to around that level, not that the resorts are typically book at that price point. Apologies if I misinterpreted the post.
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A less than picture perfect cheese burger is still a cheeseburger, just not as pretty and as juicy as the one advertised, and there is still a chance that you occasionally get that big juicy burger like in the commercial.
In the case of the Disney commercial, you get absolutely nothing like what is advertised (Cinderella greeting you), you dont even get less popular character. A person who sees that commercial and has never been to Disney (Disneys prime target customer) may very well think that for the high price of the Grand Floridian, perhaps Cinderella is actually there greeting people and thats why it costs so much more to say there and now the price seems more justifiable.
This has been addressed many times in the Gondola thread...
Lightning:
- Gondolas are Faraday cages, like your car. A direct hit will not electrocute you. During a lightning storm, everyone you see in the parks gathered under some cover from the rain is a more likely target of electrocution than someone in a Gondola.
- The wires are thick metal linked to metal towers. A hit on the wire or tower will be readily sent to ground. A hit on a gondola will travel through the wire most likely, or exit the bottom of the Gondola to ground
- If lightning causes a power outage, the stations that move the cable wire have back up generators
- If lightning fries the controls, the system can still be operated manually
- Gondolas need not be any higher than the monorail or surrounding buildings or trees
- During a lightning storm, even though they don't shut down the buses, who uses them? If the crack and flash of nearby lightning makes you jump, who's going to go out to a bus stand and wait for a bus in that weather? Such close lightning effectively shuts everything down, so, Gondolas aren't going to be particularly flaky because of weather.
Wind:
- The egg shape of modern Gondolas are to cut down wind drag and make them less susceptible to gusts.
- The system is rated to be able to perform in some pretty high winds.
- Extreme weather can shut down boats and even the monorail and even buses.
jakeman
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Are you still on this stupid kick? There is not one thing in that commercial that is unrealistic. If you bother to look at the commercial, they are showing 1900 Park Fare as the restaurant - NOT CRT as you have stated. If you also bother to check availability for 1900 Park Fare, you will see that you can get a reservation that is only a few days away, and many times, even sooner. As a matter of fact, I can get a ressie for 4 for TOMORROW. So it really isn't an unrealistic commercial.
wannabeBelle
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So agreed!!! That was the point of a conversation I was having not so very long ago. The hotels are pretty cool and some are just flat out amazing but if you took the nicest hotels and put them in some random place, they would not do nearly as well as they do. The parks are what draws people so the investments have to start there. Having great hotels at a variety of price ranges is the smart thing to do to keep people onsite and not spending their vacation dollars elsewhere, during their trip, however the parks are the initial draw for the people to visit in the first place. Marie
ford91exploder
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^^^ THIS ^^^
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
From the prices just posted for the July 4'th holiday looks like demand is a little soft based on the prices shown... A lot lower than last year for that time period. Prices still have time to increase as it's still 4.5 months out
EDIT - DEFINITELY A LITTLE SOFT here's Memorial Day
EDIT - DEFINITELY A LITTLE SOFT here's Memorial Day
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NearTheEars
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Outside of the princess greeting you, everything else seems plausible.
Also, many a person eating a burger at Cosmic Rays may disagree that a cheeseburger is still a cheeseburger no matter what haha.