A Spirited Valentine ...

ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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ParentsOf4 said:
Right. In 2010 when hotel occupancy was 82%, domestic P&R operating margin was 14.6%.

In 2016 when hotel occupancy was 89%, domestic P&R operating margin was 24.8%.

That 7% swing in occupancy was indicative of the health of Disney's Parks & Resorts segment.

Then we look at DLP, where occupancy was 75% in 2014 and operating loss was 5.1%.

HKDL had an occupancy of 79% in 2015, with an operating loss of 3.0%.

WDW does not have the same cost/rack-rate structure as DLP or HKDL. WDW should be able to realize a profit at 75% but it most likely would be down into the single digits. At 70%, WDW is losing money.

DL and Universal are different beasts. Their operating costs are less than WDW, which has to cover the cost of an extensive transportation network (including theme parks and Disney's Magical Express) within its room rates. In addition, DL runs 3 Deluxe Resorts with rack rates that are much higher than the average at WDW.
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those 2016 numbers also reflect huge cuts in labor and amenities at the US parks driven by SDL's losses and cost overruns so I'm really not sure they are representative of a 'healthy' P&R segmevt
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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WildcatDen said:
I agree that Uni has newer stuff and has impressed as of late but in my opinion Uni does not have a park to park comparison. Does Uni compare to DHS, yes, quite favorably I might add but neither Uni park compares to EPCOT, AK or MK. Not by a long shot.
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No question on AKL UNI has nothing of similar quality. The Ghost of EPCOT and the poorly maintained MK. I'm not sure I agree with you there.

MK's Space Moubtain is one structural problem away from a 5 year shutdown because Phil and Meg would not authorize the desperately needed track replacement.

There are other rides in almost as bad shape and what does TDO spend money on that right destroying the hub so that they can do a projection show.
 
WildcatDen

WildcatDen

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ford91exploder said:
No question on AKL UNI has nothing of similar quality. The Ghost of EPCOT and the poorly maintained MK. I'm not sure I agree with you there.

MK's Space Moubtain is one structural problem away from a 5 year shutdown because Phil and Meg would not authorize the desperately needed track replacement.

There are other rides in almost as bad shape and what does TDO spend money on that right destroying the hub so that they can do a projection show.
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Good points. I may be in the minority or maybe too naive, but EPCOT, to me, is World Showcase first and Uni has nothing to compare. As for MK, well, it is MK. For multiple reasons, nostalgia for one, Uni again does not compare. I think both Uni parks compete with DHS and both win. Ask me again in 2019 if DHS has not changed that perspective.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
WildcatDen said:
Good points. I may be in the minority or maybe too naive, but EPCOT, to me, is World Showcase first and Uni has nothing to compare. As for MK, well, it is MK. For multiple reasons, nostalgia for one, Uni again does not compare. I think both Uni parks compete with DHS and both win. Ask me again in 2019 if DHS has not changed that perspective.
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Fair enough, Trouble is in the 90's both sides of EPCOT shone with the Amazing World Showcase which I agree with you is the BEST part of EPCOT today. But you had Horizons and the Wonders of Life pavilion and a functional communicore EPCOT was always my favorite park till TDO broke it.

As to the MK back up till the Early 00's it sparkled and it truly WAS the magic kingdom once again TDO is working hard on breaking the MK. And the maintenance there was always amazing I'm a photographer and I notice details. If you had damaged paint or trim one day it was fixed the next and you could not see what had been done. There was none of this let it rot. Then we'll put up a scrim and bust out some epoxy filler to slap over the rot slap a coat of paint on it and call it done like today.
 
LAKid53

LAKid53

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ford91exploder said:
I'm no insider but I think Coronado will be getting new convention space remember that CBR hosts smaller conventions already like the annual Tupperware sales meeting.

I think the convention center in the Contemporary is safe and may even be upgraded because big conventions where people bring families command a premium room rate because convention hotel is on monorail line.

The garden wing is an inefficient use of prime land and symmetry in design is broken so I can see a BLT II project which will return design symmetry but with a different room layout so that MK view singles/studios are maximized and the bigger DVC rooms are primarily lake view rooms with exception of GV's on top floor
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Don't forget the convention center at GF. The week we visited last February, Ocean Spray hosted a trade show and booked several of the rooms. We had the rehearsal for my daughter's wedding in one of the smaller meetings rooms....and snuck a few samples on our way out of the building. Don't they also have a business center in that building?
 
BubbaQuest

BubbaQuest

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WildcatDen said:
...but EPCOT, to me, is World Showcase first and Uni has nothing to compare.
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Not to get too off topic, but the Uni Resort to me *is* World Showcase. The difference being hotels and City Walk instead of pavilions. I can take a water taxi to Italy (Portofino), America (Hard Rock), South Pacific (Royal Pacific), or Caribbean (Sapphire Falls). I realize WDW has themed hotels too, but in the Epcot spirit of a combined live/work space, I think the current Uni waterways and CityWalk did a pretty good job.
 
Disneyhead'71

Disneyhead'71

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BubbaQuest said:
Not to get too off topic, but the Uni Resort to me *is* World Showcase. The difference being hotels and City Walk instead of pavilions. I can take a water taxi to Italy (Portofino), America (Hard Rock), South Pacific (Royal Pacific), or Caribbean (Sapphire Falls). I realize WDW has themed hotels too, but in the Epcot spirit of a combined live/work space, I think the current Uni waterways and CityWalk did a pretty good job.
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I was going to say the same thing. If I'm at Uni, and I'm looking for a World Showcase vibe, I usually head to Portofino Bay and chill around the harbor.
 
Sped2424

Sped2424

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Thought this thread was a good place to put this in. A new effort to encourage...good guest behavior has started over at Shanghai Disneyland using the zootopia characters to bring the message home! And boy are some of these posters gold.
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last and my personal favorite
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