A Spirited Valentine ...

flynnibus

Premium Member
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Look at Ouimet's reward from the Igerbots for saving DL, What was his reward for saving DL you ask, Being sacked of course. No good deed goes unpunished at Disney.
But he wasn't fired... don't let those details get in the way of your spiced up tales

(He didn't get the tap he needed after saving Disneyland so he left)
 

MisterPenguin

Rumormonger
Premium Member
Could everyone give Spirit a break and please stay on topic? He introduced enough topics so that there is something for everyone to discuss- no need to go branching off. Thank you.
To help narrow the scope of the discussion, here is a list of things Spirit has mentioned in this thread. Please limit the scope of this thread to....


Valentines Day

Cupid emoji

visiting all of Disney’s international parks

ticket prices going up

“The Weatherman”''s and “Chappie”'s cluelessness as to price increases

the value of an AP

what “lifestylers” and bloggers are doing about AP prices

are MK and DAK worth their one day price ticket?

are DHS and Epcot worth even half their one day price ticket?

Disney financials, the darling of Wall Street

Is Iger overstaying his welcome like Eisner did?

Disney’s ESPN problem

Movie studios are doing well… but c’mon, they’ll fail eventually, right? cf. the next pirate movie

the pirates’ Superbowl commercial sucked and heads should roll for it

Cars franchise is growing tired (and Planes, right?)

That thing where Iger is a thin skinned petulant brat and refuses to answer a question from Richie Greenfield

CM food discounts doesn’t mean Disney is nice to their CMs, it means their restaurants are failing

Disney has little use for guests and even less use for CMs

Disney premier restaurants survive mostly on bloggers and government aid

Spirit would still like a CM to take him to lunch at any of those fancy places, tho

Parking and resort fees: though rumored to be coming for years, in Spirit’s opinion, will happen ‘soon’

People should be calling TDO and everyone from Georgie K on down to stop them from doing this unannounced thing of adding parking and resort fees

Spirit is a DVCer

Disneyland Paris takeover: Disney had an evil plot to let the park rot so they can easily buy them out and make “debt disappear”

Though, it is good that DLP is going to get some love now

DLP’s 25th anniversary was more sparkle than substance

DLP need to market to countries other than UK, Spain, and France

DLP’s Buzz Lightyear harmed the consistency of story in the parc

DLP’s neglect saved it from recent bad decisions in other parks

DLP faces competition from Germany’s parks with more bang for the buck, though lesser themed

Spirit went on a Disney Cruise and visited WDW twice recently

Did all the bloggers think Rivers of Light was the greatest thing ever? Or other thoughts?

RoL was 10 years of missteps and a final truncated version

The Walt Disney Company’s Board of Directors...

Iger: he was considering politics; was criticized by Bernie Sanders; vacillated on meeting the president; removed two possible successors; soon to join the Billionaire "Bois" club; planted a story in the Wall Street Journal about staying on longer; but other board members are vocal about no extensions; it's like replacing the Pope.

Burke: intrigue with feelers about him going to be Disney's new chief; Universal “fanbois” like him, but Disney wouldn’t want him; he has an ego; not likely to be asked to replace Iger

Mark Woodbury: No. 2 at Universal parks now; widely unliked, like Bruce Vaughn was, co-workers think of him as Satan; likes screens too much

WDI overspends, but puts out a better product than Universal, other than Potter

Universal Beijing is just a cut-and-paste job, like Tokyo Disney Land in 1983.

Steve Bannon is Satan

Grammies weren’t that entertaining. Karaoke car and Sweet Caroline didn’t go well

contemporary music is held by Spirit in the same regard as the typical blogger/podcaster/Lifestyler

Some people in the Trump cabinet want us to go to war with China, but let’s not get into politics

A war with China will kill us all, and consequently, be bad for business with Disney and Universal

Universal Beijing: a model of the new Beijing park will be put up in Universal Orlando; project is 18-24 months behind; they’ll catch up, but then delay opening for 6 – 12 months, just like Shanghai Disney; Jurassic World looks good, the rest not so much; mostly a Western type park; ignoring Beijing weather at their peril; Beijing has a smog problem; no common sense; it will be like DCA 1.0, but with a better lineup

DLP will turn around unless there is more terrorism there or Trump starts a world war

Disney in China: plans for the new castle are still planning; top WDI talent that worked on Shanghai are going to Hong Kong

Iron Man Ride: hasn’t been a big draw… blame 80’s tech

Shanghai DL: doing relatively will and meet goal of 10 million guests in first year; but guests are spending less on extras; a third hotel likely; Disney Town struggling; The Lion King production no popular enough; most restaurants and shops are ghost towns

Disney disappointed that Rogue One didn’t do better in China

Spirit interested in “Art of…” coffee table books

DAK is the best WDW theme park, and Pandora will be good for it, tho something else could have been better

Move It Shake It is cheap and stale

Obama’s administration believed in a good relationship with China and was the best interest of everyone. Trump’s administration paints China as the enemy and some in the administration who want to engage them militarily, which is an attitude that will hurt Disney and Universal in China; this is why Spirit is sure that Iger wanted in on Trump’s advisory group to head off such a thing

DVC is coming to Caribbean’s property as a separate resort (Tom Amity said so, but Spirit said so 2 years earlier)

More DVC for the Contemporary and Coronado and Epcot-adjacent (later in the thread: DVC at Coronado: most likely no)

DVC is only going to continue to grow

Regular resort rooms are way overpriced

Epcot plans still in too much flux to comment on

Still doubtful that DHS’s SWL will open in 2019, but, hoping to be wrong about that

Not sure about Mickey ride in DHS actually going to happen

Disneyland: Bob Chapek is destroying it. SWL there and GotG ToT are awful mistakes. Though, the evening parade and shows are a bit of a balm.

Bob is shoving an IP into DL that doesn’t belong there; hey guys, can you not discuss the merits of that IP?

Huge Capital Expenditures right now aren’t enough of a balm to soothe anger over years of neglect or the wastefulness of the spending

Hey, parking garage fire!

Spring Hill Suites is an OK cheap place to stay near WDW

Again, Pandora will be great (though overbudget and late); hey guys, let’s not talk about Avatar’s box office

Bob Chapeks claim that GotG is not coming to DHS’s ToT was precipitated by Spirit, but, it could still be a lie, since he has lied before

The rumor a bunch of WDIers were fired or soon to be fired (especially Joe Rohde) is wrong. False rumor from Tom Amity.

Weatherization of Tokyo versus Shanghai

More discounts being offered, and then nickel and dime the ones you hook

hey guys, let’s not talk about Johnny Depp’s career

merits of Hong Kong’s castle and its embellishment

Euro Disney was overbuilt. DL Paris wasn’t.

WDW is cracking down on bloggers who say false things in a way to stop the leaking of true things

Spirit rightly called the Disney announcement that GotG at DCA will open Memorial Day weekend with “Meet and Gropes”

Gondolas: the current rumored ones for now, maybe more later

Luxury resort coming to near Epcot entrance, originally was planned to be DVC

Most likely a Star Wars resort coming

“Chappie” and “The Weatherman” expect WDW attendance to greatly increase

Resort occupancy numbers and what turns a profit

hey, guys, don’t talk about the DL deaths and the maintenance debate, it has nothing to do with what’s happening at WDW today

Let’s talk about Shanghai, or RoL, or Marvel in the US parks​
 

The_Jobu

Well-Known Member
To help narrow the scope of the discussion, here is a list of things Spirit has mentioned in this thread. Please limit the scope of this thread to....


Valentines Day

Cupid emoji

visiting all of Disney’s international parks

ticket prices going up

“The Weatherman”''s and “Chappie”'s cluelessness as to price increases

the value of an AP

what “lifestylers” and bloggers are doing about AP prices

are MK and DAK worth their one day price ticket?

are DHS and Epcot worth even half their one day price ticket?

Disney financials, the darling of Wall Street

Is Iger overstaying his welcome like Eisner did?

Disney’s ESPN problem

Movie studios are doing well… but c’mon, they’ll fail eventually, right? cf. the next pirate movie

the pirates’ Superbowl commercial sucked and heads should roll for it

Cars franchise is growing tired (and Planes, right?)

That thing where Iger is a thin skinned petulant brat and refuses to answer a question from Richie Greenfield

CM food discounts doesn’t mean Disney is nice to their CMs, it means their restaurants are failing

Disney has little use for guests and even less use for CMs

Disney premier restaurants survive mostly on bloggers and government aid

Spirit would still like a CM to take him to lunch at any of those fancy places, tho

Parking and resort fees: though rumored to be coming for years, in Spirit’s opinion, will happen ‘soon’

People should be calling TDO and everyone from Georgie K on down to stop them from doing this unannounced thing of adding parking and resort fees

Spirit is a DVCer

Disneyland Paris takeover: Disney had an evil plot to let the park rot so they can easily buy them out and make “debt disappear”

Though, it is good that DLP is going to get some love now

DLP’s 25th anniversary was more sparkle than substance

DLP need to market to countries other than UK, Spain, and France

DLP’s Buzz Lightyear harmed the consistency of story in the parc

DLP’s neglect saved it from recent bad decisions in other parks

DLP faces competition from Germany’s parks with more bang for the buck, though lesser themed

Spirit went on a Disney Cruise and visited WDW twice recently

Did all the bloggers think Rivers of Light was the greatest thing ever? Or other thoughts?

RoL was 10 years of missteps and a final truncated version

The Walt Disney Company’s Board of Directors...

Iger: he was considering politics; was criticized by Bernie Sanders; vacillated on meeting the president; removed two possible successors; soon to join the Billionaire "Bois" club; planted a story in the Wall Street Journal about staying on longer; but other board members are vocal about no extensions; it's like replacing the Pope.

Burke: intrigue with feelers about him going to be Disney's new chief; Universal “fanbois” like him, but Disney wouldn’t want him; he has an ego; not likely to be asked to replace Iger

Mark Woodbury: No. 2 at Universal parks now; widely unliked, like Bruce Vaughn was, co-workers think of him as Satan; likes screens too much

WDI overspends, but puts out a better product than Universal, other than Potter

Universal Beijing is just a cut-and-paste job, like Tokyo Disney Land in 1983.

Steve Bannon is Satan

Grammies weren’t that entertaining. Karaoke car and Sweet Caroline didn’t go well

contemporary music is held by Spirit in the same regard as the typical blogger/podcaster/Lifestyler

Some people in the Trump cabinet want us to go to war with China, but let’s not get into politics

A war with China will kill us all, and consequently, be bad for business with Disney and Universal

Universal Beijing: a model of the new Beijing park will be put up in Universal Orlando; project is 18-24 months behind; they’ll catch up, but then delay opening for 6 – 12 months, just like Shanghai Disney; Jurassic World looks good, the rest not so much; mostly a Western type park; ignoring Beijing weather at their peril; Beijing has a smog problem; no common sense; it will be like DCA 1.0, but with a better lineup

DLP will turn around unless there is more terrorism there or Trump starts a world war

Disney in China: plans for the new castle are still planning; top WDI talent that worked on Shanghai are going to Hong Kong

Iron Man Ride: hasn’t been a big draw… blame 80’s tech

Shanghai DL: doing relatively will and meet goal of 10 million guests in first year; but guests are spending less on extras; a third hotel likely; Disney Town struggling; The Lion King production no popular enough; most restaurants and shops are ghost towns

Disney disappointed that Rogue One didn’t do better in China

Spirit interested in “Art of…” coffee table books

DAK is the best WDW theme park, and Pandora will be good for it, tho something else could have been better

Move It Shake It is cheap and stale

Obama’s administration believed in a good relationship with China and was the best interest of everyone. Trump’s administration paints China as the enemy and some in the administration who want to engage them militarily, which is an attitude that will hurt Disney and Universal in China; this is why Spirit is sure that Iger wanted in on Trump’s advisory group to head off such a thing

DVC is coming to Caribbean’s property as a separate resort (Tom Amity said so, but Spirit said so 2 years earlier)

More DVC for the Contemporary and Coronado and Epcot-adjacent (later in the thread: DVC at Coronado: most likely no)

DVC is only going to continue to grow

Regular resort rooms are way overpriced

Epcot plans still in too much flux to comment on

Still doubtful that DHS’s SWL will open in 2019, but, hoping to be wrong about that

Not sure about Mickey ride in DHS actually going to happen

Disneyland: Bob Chapek is destroying it. SWL there and GotG ToT are awful mistakes. Though, the evening parade and shows are a bit of a balm.

Bob is shoving an IP into DL that doesn’t belong there; hey guys, can you not discuss the merits of that IP?

Huge Capital Expenditures right now aren’t enough of a balm to soothe anger over years of neglect or the wastefulness of the spending

Hey, parking garage fire!

Spring Hill Suites is an OK cheap place to stay near WDW

Again, Pandora will be great (though overbudget and late); hey guys, let’s not talk about Avatar’s box office

Bob Chapeks claim that GotG is not coming to DHS’s ToT was precipitated by Spirit, but, it could still be a lie, since he has lied before

The rumor a bunch of WDIers were fired or soon to be fired (especially Joe Rohde) is wrong. False rumor from Tom Amity.

Weatherization of Tokyo versus Shanghai

More discounts being offered, and then nickel and dime the ones you hook

hey guys, let’s not talk about Johnny Depp’s career

merits of Hong Kong’s castle and its embellishment

Euro Disney was overbuilt. DL Paris wasn’t.

WDW is cracking down on bloggers who say false things in a way to stop the leaking of true things

Spirit rightly called the Disney announcement that GotG at DCA will open Memorial Day weekend with “Meet and Gropes”

Gondolas: the current rumored ones for now, maybe more later

Luxury resort coming to near Epcot entrance, originally was planned to be DVC

Most likely a Star Wars resort coming

“Chappie” and “The Weatherman” expect WDW attendance to greatly increase

Resort occupancy numbers and what turns a profit

hey, guys, don’t talk about the DL deaths and the maintenance debate, it has nothing to do with what’s happening at WDW today

Let’s talk about Shanghai, or RoL, or Marvel in the US parks​
At the very least, you deserve recognition for actually spending that much time putting this together
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
cc: @HauntedPirate, @Mike S as well - I do not have a close date for Dragon yet, but it is coming. A Forbidden Forest coaster will replace it, and I'm trying to get more details as to what it will entail. I'm personally hoping its devoid of SCREENZ.

Fantastic Beasts would be further down the line in USF - possibly replacing Mummy (in the NY area).
Dragon Challenge is surrounded by the Wizarding World, so it makes sense that this area remains as such. Expending the footprint to include more area just seems like trying to top pigs with pigs and eventually starts to seem like desperation.

But he wasn't fired... don't let those details get in the way of your spiced up tales

(He didn't get the tap he needed after saving Disneyland so he left)
Funny that's not how Sprit or Al Lutz described it, More on the order of 'Quit or be fired' yes technically Oumet 'quit' but the reality is he did not have a choice.
Ouimet wanted Rasulo fired and was not shy about that. Iger picked Rasulo. Most people don't stay around after trying to get their boss fired.
 

Nj4mwc

Well-Known Member
@WDW1974 do the Middle East countries visit WDW in large numbers that could significantly lead to a drop in attendance if certain current events proceed. I know South America provides large numbers but not sure of the Middle East tourist numbers
 

the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member

GoofGoof

Premium Member
It'll be interesting to see how the data plays out. With attendance driven by "first clicks" for park-hopping guests, Animal Kingdom might actually be hurt. Being open later with a new land that's being heavily marketed as a nighttime experience, they'll probably see a shift from first-click morning guests to park-hopping evening guests. I don't think this impact will be great enough to offset the raw increase, but it might mute the apparent impact.
Good point. I think I read somewhere that AK will be the latest open park a bunch of nights this summer, even later than MK. I think the one thing that will help even things out is FP+. If you want to go at night but can only get a 10am FP time you will be forced to go in the morning. AK is a hot park so it might be hard for some people to stay all day and into the night in the heat of the summer, but people could go back to their hotel for a swim and/or break and come back for the night stuff. I think once 2019 hits crowds will significantly shift to DHS but for a few years AK might be really crowded.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
cc: @HauntedPirate, @Mike S as well - I do not have a close date for Dragon yet, but it is coming. A Forbidden Forest coaster will replace it, and I'm trying to get more details as to what it will entail. I'm personally hoping its devoid of SCREENZ.

Fantastic Beasts would be further down the line in USF - possibly replacing Mummy (in the NY area).
Is this the most likely 2019 project?
 

doctornick

Well-Known Member
He's just saying that this thread (created by him for the purpose of discussing specific things) should stay on topic so we don't have to wade through countless unrelated posts. People are certainly free to start threads to discuss other stuff.
God forbid the OP asks others to keep the thread on topic.

No one's dictating others, Spirit is simply asking for people to stay on topic. What's the point of thread topics if people decide to talk about any and everything?
The mods and OP have been rather polite in asking that posters stay on-topic and have suggested posters start their own threads for this kind of off-topic issue.
Quite frankly though.... what the heck is the "topic" of this thread? I can understand suggesting that certain specific discussions end or be moved to a different thread, but it's hard for me to wrap my head over what exactly is clearly "on topic" versus "off topic" when WDW1974 himself has touched on many different discussion points in this very thread.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Quite frankly though.... what the heck is the "topic" of this thread? I can understand suggesting that certain specific discussions end or be moved to a different thread, but it's hard for me to wrap my head over what exactly is clearly "on topic" versus "off topic" when WDW1974 himself has touched on many different discussion points in this very thread.
Use this as a guide.
Guys and gals, I am intending to return here when I can and respond to some of the things others have asked me and just maybe drop a bit more news (likely not on gondolas though), but it really would be helpful if there weren't 10 pages devoted to DL's issues that killed people many years ago. That info is out and ancient and while tragic has absolutely nothing that I can see to do with anything going on there or WDW or even IOA today.

If there is news, that's one thing. I've tried to make these threads catch-alls for news involving Disney and Universal that at least in some small way have something to do with the Orlando operations if at all possible. That means talk all you want about current developments, but not debating Star Wars or Avatar box office and ancient history in Anaheim ... that stuff really keeps me away from here at times because it becomes overwhelming and I know for a fact it has pushed other great members to the sidelines. Why not talk about Shanghai or RoL or Marvel in the US parks or ... something that is current and of import?

I won't be around here until the weekend and I am afraid what I will find ...
 

Princess Leia

Well-Known Member
cc: @HauntedPirate, @Mike S as well - I do not have a close date for Dragon yet, but it is coming. A Forbidden Forest coaster will replace it, and I'm trying to get more details as to what it will entail. I'm personally hoping its devoid of SCREENZ
If I was on my desktop, I'd be posting the Michael Scott 'STAY CALM' gif.
Omg.
While I'm not crazy about another HP roller coaster (I wish they would take into consideration HP fans who suffer back and nausea problems like my mom, or fans too small to ride a coaster), it's really, really, really hard to not be excited about this.
 
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71jason

Well-Known Member
-- New CM food discounts: Let's be blunt, the only people that Disney has less use for than its Guests are its CMs who make the MAGIC. Yet what did the new year bring? Real 40% discounts at many new and, formerly quite popular, dining locations. In addition to locations like Captain's Grill and Olivia's and ESPN Club that have offered 40% off for years now, CMs and their Guests get that at Garden Grill, Coral Reef (lunch only), Biergarten (lunch only), Kona Cafe (lunch only), Boma, Citricos, Jiko, Tiffins, and Skipper Canteen. They have never offered that type of discount at a character dining location.And to see it offered at locations like Boma and Jiko at DAK Lodge and Citricos at the Grand Flo is incredibly telling about their price points and that they have reached a point where they are not sustainable.When 40% off makes a meal realistic in the real world, something is very off with your business model. Oh, and this also tells you that the two newest dining locations are simply not doing well. You can't survive mostly on Bloggers and their government aid checks forever. Any CMs who want to take me to lunch or dinner with their discounts are free to PM!
Talked to some friends in the business today (groundlings, no one near the level of a George K). Word from on high is that Disney Springs is absolutely slaughtering business at many of the locations above--Citricos and Jiko were mentioned specifically. Apparently guests would rather get better food from a celeb chef at those ridiculous prices, or get get better prices for comparable food from a celeb chef. It would seem Disney Springs is the new DAK, largely cannibalizing existing guests rather than bringing in new ones.
 
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