A Spirited Valentine ...

[EricsBiscuit]

It's insane at UNI! It's like how in 2003 b4 Wishes; everyday but Saturday MK closed at 6! Only had SM and FitS on Saturday! What does everyone do after they leave UNI at 6? They go to MK! UNI is losing out on so much business by closing early.

 

[JoeCamel]

It's insane at UNI! It's like how in 2003 b4 Wishes; everyday but Saturday MK closed at 6! Only had SM and FitS on Saturday! What does everyone do after they leave UNI at 6? They go to MK! UNI is losing out on so much business by closing early.

Been to City Walk at night? Think Pleasure Island without all the cast members and hoards of locals. Or Church Street. They go adulting.

 

[GoofGoof]

It's insane at UNI! It's like how in 2003 b4 Wishes; everyday but Saturday MK closed at 6! Only had SM and FitS on Saturday! What does everyone do after they leave UNI at 6? They go to MK! UNI is losing out on so much business by closing early.

They still get paid the full price for the park tickets. They may be losing out on some merchandise sales but they also cut costs by closing earlier.

 

[Absimilliard]

My personal take on Seaworld is: until Joel Manby leave, I will not step foot in one of their property again. The reason is this: at IAAPA 2015, during his keynote address at the GM Owner Breakfast, Joel Manby vowed to take control of the story again and to fight back against the animal activists. Great message and everyone was supporting him... Less than 4 months later, total 180 and he got in bed with the HSOA and its controversial president and announced the end of orca breeding at Seaworld. If that's how Joel Manby will run his chain, then I won't be a part of it.

Only thing I am happy about it is that he's out of Hershend and can't run that great chain into the ground.

 

[Figments Friend]

Yes. We should ask Baxter if Pop Culture Droidland is superior to and deserving of the plot over Discoveryland.

It's not.
I asked him.



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[JediMasterMatt]

Re: Sea World's woes - just remember that the most valuable commodity in Orlando is time. Everyone is fighting over it as it's the one tangible commodity that is guaranteed to generate revenue and it's the one attribute that every vacationer has to allocate. When you are on vacation, you only have "x" to begin with and it's how you chop it up that's so important.

While Blackfish certainly hurt Sea World, it is really Universal cementing vacation time on their property that has hurt the most. Orlando use to be WDW and maybe the others. It has now evolved into WDW and maybe Universal.

The real battle in the future is fighting over the time spent asleep in Orlando though and it's in that attribute, Universal has the most to gain.

 

[Mike S]

Re: Sea World's woes - just remember that the most valuable commodity in Orlando is time. Everyone is fighting over it as it's the one tangible commodity that is guaranteed to generate revenue and it's the one attribute that every vacationer has to allocate. When you are on vacation, you only have "x" to begin with and it's how you chop it up that's so important.

While Blackfish certainly hurt Sea World, it is really Universal cementing vacation time on their property that has hurt the most. Orlando use to be WDW and maybe the others. It has now evolved into WDW and maybe Universal.

The real battle in the future is fighting over the time spent asleep in Orlando though and it's in that attribute, Universal has the most to gain.

This is why I feel that once Universal opens Site B it's all over for SeaWorld. When that time comes they will be a prime candidate for possible expansion of Site B hostile takeover style.

 

[FigmentForver96]

This is why I feel that once Universal opens Site B it's all over for SeaWorld. When that time comes they will be a prime candidate for possible expansion of Site B hostile takeover style.

Highly doubtful. Seaworld will always have a fanbase and I can't imagine the company will let the park go under. I don't have numbers but I would expect Orlando is the more popular of the parks due to location.

 

[Mike S]

Highly doubtful. Seaworld will always have a fanbase and I can't imagine the company will let the park go under. I don't have numbers but I would expect Orlando is the more popular of the parks due to location.

They don't have to be letting it, it's just happening.

 

[shernernum]

They don't have to be letting it, it's just happening.

I don't get your multiple page obsession with a park you have admittedly never set foot in and have said you have no intention of ever setting foot in. While they may not be as healthy as they would like to be, they are still adding new offerings, have parks in other parts of the country, and Orlando is most likely their number 1 site, although San Diego is probably a close second. I highly doubt the place is going anywhere anytime soon, and if it did, it would probably end up being a Convention Center expansion or more convention connected hotels than anything theme park related.
The bad press has been significantly ratcheted down since the Blackfish thing, and for Sea World to go out of business would actually be to the detriment of sea life around the world, because of all the work they do in taking care of, relocating, and rehabilitating animals. Most rational members of the scientific community are aware of this.

Do you have any hard numbers or data that says the park is about the fail?

 

[UpAllNight]

It was packed on both occasions we went in May....and is still, just about, a top 20 attended park on the entire planet....but haters gonna hate.

 

[UpAllNight]

This is why I feel that once Universal opens Site B it's all over for SeaWorld. When that time comes they will be a prime candidate for possible expansion of Site B hostile takeover style.

Aren't there enough screens for you already in that part of the world?

 

[FigmentForver96]

They don't have to be letting it, it's just happening.

No, not really but you are definitely allowed to believe that if you wish.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I dunno. The Tomorrowland train station always seemed like a significant thematic clash to me. Especially when it immediately gives way to the Grand Canyon (conspicuously not in Frontierland) and a bunch of dinosaurs. It's all a lot of fun, but the whole experience is one of the most thematically incongrous things in all of Disneydom.

Besides, aren't you always supposed to be looking to the right on that train? 99% of the time, looking to the left is just going to give you a view of an unthemed berm, or a wall.

That's because the steam train is a time machine. It goes from early 1900s midwestern America to 1800s Old West and Deep South to a Medieval Fantasy Village, then the future and finally the ancient past.

http://theworldkey.com/index.php/2017/08/03/stay-for-the-dinosaurs/

 

[CaptainAmerica]

They still get paid the full price for the park tickets. They may be losing out on some merchandise sales but they also cut costs by closing earlier.

Why do you think Disney pays loads of money for a "nighttime spectacular" show every night? It's that sweet sweet TS F&B revenue.

Been to City Walk at night? Think Pleasure Island without all the cast members and hoards of locals. Or Church Street. They go adulting.

City Walk at night is a fantastic place if that hard-to-find vacation souvenir you're looking for is an STD. When I lived in Orlando, the CityWalk AMC was my closest movie theater so I was there quite regularly and those people are gross.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

This is why I feel that once Universal opens Site B it's all over for SeaWorld. When that time comes they will be a prime candidate for possible expansion of Site B hostile takeover style.

I know you're really excited for UNI's third gate, but I just don't think it's going to be the draw so many think it will be. Additionally, unless it's based on a single IP, it will likely be another thematically directionless IP multiplex which will make it harder to stand out.

Remember, the dumbest thing Disney is doing with WDW right now is stripping the theme out of their theme parks.

 

[TalkingHead]

I know you're really excited for UNI's third gate, but I just don't think it's going to be the draw so many think it will be. Additionally, unless it's based on a single IP, it will likely be another thematically directionless IP multiplex which will make it harder to stand out.

Remember, the dumbest thing Disney is doing with WDW right now is stripping the theme out of their theme parks.

Not to mention, if history is any indication, the third gate's debut will be another classic Universal dumpster fire. Volcano Bay doesn't instill much confidence.

 

[bclane]

I know you're really excited for UNI's third gate, but I just don't think it's going to be the draw so many think it will be. Additionally, unless it's based on a single IP, it will likely be another thematically directionless IP multiplex which will make it harder to stand out.

Remember, the dumbest thing Disney is doing with WDW right now is stripping the theme out of their theme parks.

Since IP themes are here to stay and since I think there are plenty of kid friendly family parks in Florida to meet demand... Universal should consider doing a more adult oriented scifi / fantasy park with IP like Dune, Game of Thrones, Mad Max, Lord of the Rings, etc. Would probably be crazy popular...

 

[The Empress Lilly]

That's because the steam train is a time machine. It goes from early 1900s midwestern America to 1800s Old West and Deep South to a Medieval Fantasy Village, then the future and finally the ancient past.

http://theworldkey.com/index.php/2017/08/03/stay-for-the-dinosaurs/​

That’s the magic of Disneyland. You might come to Disneyland for Mickey Mouse but it’s the dinosaurs that you stay for.


I’ll soon be headed to Walt Disney World to visit the cousins of these Disneyland Railroad dinosaurs at Epcot (expect some Walt Disney World posts here soon!). The last-minute trip is to catch a final ride on a couple attractions Disney is closing to make way for new experiences. At Epcot, a Guardians of the Galaxy-themed ride will be installed in the current Universe of Energy pavilion, where the dinos serve as a major scene in a ride about our planet’s energy. It’s a shame that Disney is seemingly no longer interested in creating attractions that both entertain and educate their guests through extraordinary experiences, but at least these guys continue to live on at Disneyland.​

At least the DL crowd gets it. "Go for Mickey, stay for the dinosaurs". Just when DL re-opens its dinorama, looking better than ever with new effects, the WDW version - the superior one - is on the brink of being destroyed.

Why oh why did these barbarians have to take over our parks?

 

[Mike S]

I don't get your multiple page obsession with a park you have admittedly never set foot in and have said you have no intention of ever setting foot in. While they may not be as healthy as they would like to be, they are still adding new offerings, have parks in other parts of the country, and Orlando is most likely their number 1 site, although San Diego is probably a close second. I highly doubt the place is going anywhere anytime soon, and if it did, it would probably end up being a Convention Center expansion or more convention connected hotels than anything theme park related.
The bad press has been significantly ratcheted down since the Blackfish thing, and for Sea World to go out of business would actually be to the detriment of sea life around the world, because of all the work they do in taking care of, relocating, and rehabilitating animals. Most rational members of the scientific community are aware of this.

Do you have any hard numbers or data that says the park is about the fail?

Their attendance goes down every year. It's inevitable. I'm also only talking about Orlando here.
http://www.themeparktourist.com/news/20170228/32521/will-seaworld-s-fortunes-ever-improve
When a brand new Universal park opens pretty much right next door to them it's all over. If not, then they have a lot more fight in them than I'm giving credit for.

That’s the magic of Disneyland. You might come to Disneyland for Mickey Mouse but it’s the dinosaurs that you stay for.


I’ll soon be headed to Walt Disney World to visit the cousins of these Disneyland Railroad dinosaurs at Epcot (expect some Walt Disney World posts here soon!). The last-minute trip is to catch a final ride on a couple attractions Disney is closing to make way for new experiences. At Epcot, a Guardians of the Galaxy-themed ride will be installed in the current Universe of Energy pavilion, where the dinos serve as a major scene in a ride about our planet’s energy. It’s a shame that Disney is seemingly no longer interested in creating attractions that both entertain and educate their guests through extraordinary experiences, but at least these guys continue to live on at Disneyland.​

At least the DL crowd gets it. "Go for Mickey, stay for the dinosaurs". Just when DL re-opens its dinorama, looking better than ever with new effects, the WDW version - the superior one - is on the brink of being destroyed.

Why oh why did these barbarians have to take over our parks?

I still hope they might be saved and put on the MK railroad when it inevitably has to close during Tron construction.