uncle jimmy
Premium Member
Awesome, Thanks Martin! Could the one be the rumored hotel that connects directly to the park like DL has?
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
My point was that all UNI needs to do is NOT raise their prices when Disney begins its room price increase orgy in the next 12-18 months. No cutting necessary
Governor just announced tourism numbers for 2016. More than 112.8 million visited Florida last year; 27.6 million visited in the last quarter. Article doesn't break out that figure by region, but I'm sure more than 50% visited the Central Florida area.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
No Disney has the rooms they are taking them out of service to maintain the pricing structure.
In the annual report remember there were 2.5% less 'available' rooms nights in 2016 then there were in 2015
Disney would rather sell 1 room at $500 than 5 at $100 because the margin and support costs are lower
It was only a month ago I was able to snag POP rooms for $107 a night on the AP special. I need better proof for such a conspiracy theory to believe in it.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Those AP specials and CM discounts are meant to fill the empty rooms because for a room to be out of service for accounting reason it needs to be taken out of service for 30 days or longer
So that's why CM's are getting the 145 offers at AKL and AP holders get the 107 rate at ASM but those are there to fill in the gaps so Disney can tout 90% occupancy on the rooms that ARE available.
If it goes on for too long those rooms will go 'out of service' as well
It's not a conspiracy theory its just how yield manangement is done.
It's a case of seeing which resorts get built. Personally I know of proposals for 9 projects.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Because Disney believes the guests will come no matter what
You're visiting during spring break....AND trying to get a room a few weeks before that time starts. I would expect most hotels to be booked. I was talking over the course of a year.
Just looked at the price of a standard room at Pop the last few days of the Spring AP discount June 1st through 4th. Average price per night? $126. Total cost for those 3 nights? $385. Wow. Three nights in a Value, with no coffee maker, for that price...
ETA: Pop and many other resorts are undergoing renovations, so that will take rooms out of inventory.
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uncle jimmy
Premium Member
Very Cool, maybe it'll get debunked in the new thread and disney will announce again
Hey congrats on hitting 100,000... and awesome 400 likes in a day! You're very much appreciated on these boards with your insight and knowledge! Thanks Martin
wannabeBelle
Well-Known Member
9??? WOW!!! I like some of the projects proposals I have seen so far, cant wait to see what is coming next!!! Marie
Thank youVery Cool, maybe it'll get debunked in the new thread and disney will announce again
Hey congrats on hitting 100,000... and awesome 400 likes in a day! You're very much appreciated on these boards with your insight and knowledge! Thanks Martin
TabulaRasa
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@marni1971 any hint of which Resorts have a proposed "plussing" moving forward (similar to what Coronado is getting)? Is this aimed more at the current moderates or would any Deluxes get revamped? Personally, I would be really curious how any of the Epcot Resorts could expand without being bulldozed.
brb1006
Well-Known Member
I miss the old way WDW made commercials like they did in the 90's and mid 2000's before they focused more on princesses and hotels.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Who pays $250 for Pop? That's what I pay for DAK Lodge.
Also, your entire post contradicts itself. Know what drives prices down? Capacity. You can't complain about the high prices and then complain more about the resort expansion because those forces work against each other in the supply curve.
rushtest4echo
Well-Known Member
Disney's grab at the timeshare and value demographics over the past 20 years has really crowded out their mid-teir properties. Of course by wdws standards, value means $140 a night and mid tier is closer to $250 (supply and demand, we dont really need to revisit how 'unfair' their pricing scheme is when its at 90% occupancy). I agree that the value resorts would never pass for a $150 a night room anywhere but WDW, but thankfully for Disney- were discussing rooms that are in fact at WDW.
Still though, Universal has seized on that mid teir area in a major way and Disney (in typical fashion) is responding half a decade later than they should. We'll see a huge amount of $250-$350 price point 'mid teir' rooms being added through expansions and new properties. Again, we can debate the merits of $250-350 being 'mid teir' but Disney could care less if the room is full 85% of the time at an inflated price and they throw aps and cms a bone during off peak and give away a room at a smaller (still healthy) margin.
Still though, Universal has seized on that mid teir area in a major way and Disney (in typical fashion) is responding half a decade later than they should. We'll see a huge amount of $250-$350 price point 'mid teir' rooms being added through expansions and new properties. Again, we can debate the merits of $250-350 being 'mid teir' but Disney could care less if the room is full 85% of the time at an inflated price and they throw aps and cms a bone during off peak and give away a room at a smaller (still healthy) margin.
rushtest4echo
Well-Known Member
You're not the focused demographic that thier market analysts are telling marketting to target to make sure the entire resort's business model remains sound.
Both Disney and Universal only care about the rich. Universal just raised their ticket prices and a Florida Season package for the two parks, city walk and hopefully VB cost just over $1,000.00 for my wife and I and WDW was just over $1,300.00 for everything on property. I think the WDW deal was a better one since there is more to do on property. However, looking at the daily price now it costs $124.00 peak for either the MK or USF or IO. What is the better deal??? Value time MK is $107 but USF or IO are $110?
Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make. That taking into account occupancy, Disney's resorts are still overpriced for what is provided. Because it's Disney. Which was what Spirit was pointing out.
rushtest4echo
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Spare me, it's entertainment - not some govt controlled price fixed entitlement (after all, this is America where medical care doesn't even fall into that category!). Liesure has always been reserved for those who have disposable income. By your logic, concerts are only for the rich, pro sports are only for the rich... And so on. It costs a family of 4 almost $50 to see a movie now ($12 admission in a major market first run cinema in NYC) and thats for 2 hours of entertainment. Were not talking a second run dollar theater or a value one, compare apples to apples- Disney isn't a "second run/dollar theater" class of entertainment. Nor are they a small band playing a local pub. Theyre the premiere family entertainment destination on the planet.
Were talking 12-15 hours for better-than-any-movie entertainment and it's about the same cost per person per hour. Take that family of 4 to a football game or a concert and they likely spent MORE for those 3 hours than a 12-15 hour day at Disney.
Go look at the cost of other entertainment options. Compare a ticket for a Micheal Jackson concert in the 80's and a ticket to Beyonce now. Compare an NFL game too. I'll wager the cost of those have risen at a higher rate than Disney. And again, that's for 2-3 hours. For comparisons about hotels - try and find a decent room near a venue during a major event and see what they charge. Disneys a major event at a major venue 365 days a year.
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