A Spirited Valentine ...

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I can see Disney going there. But anyone with half a brain has to know the deluxe Universal hotels, which are run by a luxury hotiler, are actually nicer than anything Disney has, correct? I mean, I love Disney but often have considered staying at Universal just for the hotels.

I'm DVC and I've stayed in most of the UNI hotels and frankly they are amazing. Even Cabana Bay their value resort is themed right down to the Alberto VO 5 shampoo in the rooms

As to the Hard Rock want to make a few riffs on an axe(electric guitar) just call the front desk and they will deliver one to your room.

Match that level of service Disney
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
I can see Disney going there. But anyone with half a brain has to know the deluxe Universal hotels, which are run by a luxury hotiler, are actually nicer than anything Disney has, correct? I mean, I love Disney but often have considered staying at Universal just for the hotels.

Agree. I've stayed in two of those hotels. I was stunned at the quality of room I stayed in for $20 - $30 more than the resort I just left at Disney; I'd gotten a special deal at Royal Pacific for our first overnight stay at Universal. And I could walk to City Walk and both parks.
 

RobbinsDad

Well-Known Member
They love creating unrealistic expectations. I was speaking with my father yesterday and he mentioned that commercial and said, "when the hell does a princess character ever hang out in the lobby and does Disney really think people believe that". He also mentioned how they used the GF lobby as if every Disney resort looks like that.

My favorite is still the "More Magical" commercial. The family is checking in. They are wearing magic bands so obviously they were sent to them, yet they have made no FP+ selections or especially highly sought after ADR's such as CRT, yet the CM gets them a reservation right away. And the moms request to "take a break by the pool" is hilarious. As if you need a reservation to do that. I cant find it on youtube, so here is a link: https://ispot.tv/a/AYKD for anybody that wants to watch it and have a good laugh at the unrealistic expectations they set.
It's hilarious. Borderline false advertisement. Oh you CAN make an ADR on the day you arrive - enjoy Boatwright's!
 

Nickels5

Well-Known Member
First, a sincere thanks to @danlb_2000 and @P_Radden for their hard work breaking that crazy (but true!) gondola story and Disney's rush to get ahead of their resort plans (massive as they were described to me) and changes coming and rushing out the Coronado tower and admitting changes were coming to CBR, just not with a new transport system, a new DVC deluxe resort and reduced capacity at CBR.

All of this has allowed me to only be a dozen or so pages behind on my own thread. :D:eek::cool:

What exactly is going on you ask?

Well, the CBR is being contracted in size. And a DVC resort will be going there (I am fairly certain on theme, but am holding back for a bit because I still recall my teepee art at the WL that wound up being cabins ... I still like the teepees better!)

Why gondolas?

Because it is the absolute cheapest transportation Disney could add there beyond more buses. And they will be used to tout the area's direct connection to the SWE when it opens in 2019 ... or 2020 (no, I don't really care what Iger said as he often lies publicly, even on opening dates!) This is designed to make the area more desirable and give Disney (they hope) the ability to sell more rooms at higher price points (see those $49 rooms at the All Stars or $145 rooms at DAK Lodge right now if you think more rooms is what Disney needs).

This will also bring about the long planned idea of dropping the 'value', 'moderate' and 'deluxe' categories and allow for them to sell based on location and desire. You want direct transport to that outpost on the edge of space at whatever Disney-MGM's corpse will be called? Well, would you pay $250 a night to stay at Pop Century? $400 for CBR? Yes, this IS the thinking behind this. And it will be property wide. You can already smell those $1200 a night standard rooms at the Poly for Christmas, right?

More Gondolas elsewhere?

Down the road, maybe. Right now, no.

How does Coronado fit in?

The resort will be seeing an expansion yet again at the convention center to make up for the loss at the Contemporary (timeshare is more valuable than conventions, apparently). So a need for deluxe inventory will get moved over to this resort, which will see even more upgrades and much higher price points.

Does this mean no DVC at Coronado Springs?

Not 100% sure, but it looks that way.

But there has to be more DVC coming?

Hell yeah. At least three resorts right now, including new builds at CBR and in EPCOT resort area.

Is Coronado the only place where actual new non-timeshare inventory will be added?

No. They are looking at multiples. But the big one is that the EPCOT resort I first broke here years ago appears to be on again as a full blown, very pricey, very deluxe resort. Yes, this is the one at the entrance that was planned as DVC. I still believe the resort will be part hotel/part timeshare, but conflicting talk on that.

There also are plans for a Star Wars themed resort of some type. But it would appear to be so top secret that it isn't worth discussing yet.;) No timeshare with this one.

Should I be excited by this?

No, not unless you are such an addict to a BRAND that you want to pay 5-star dollars for 3-star rooms and services.

Why all this stuff now when we've had next to nothing for years?

Simple. Star Wars, WDW's 50th and ... Pandora.

Chappie and The Weatherman expect WDW attendance to go up BIGLY in the next 5-6 years. They believe demand will outpace supply and that you will pay Four Seasons prices for a Disney motel if it is sold/targeted correctly. They may be right with many of you. I am largely over WDW and admit that. I am excited by DAK and very little else, except CM 40% dining discounts. But if you are an addict or a newbie, maybe you will pay those prices. Even if they excite me, I'll simply use my DVC points. Barring a parks renaissance that I don't see happening.
Where are you seeing those hotel rates? Cause I just looked and they are nowhere close to the rates you listed.
 

wannabeBelle

Well-Known Member
I'm DVC and I've stayed in most of the UNI hotels and frankly they are amazing. Even Cabana Bay their value resort is themed right down to the Alberto VO 5 shampoo in the rooms

As to the Hard Rock want to make a few riffs on an axe(electric guitar) just call the front desk and they will deliver one to your room.

Match that level of service Disney
LOVE the VO5 in the bathrooms!!! Marie
 

HauntedMansionFLA

Well-Known Member
I've stayed at three Uni resorts. Cabana Bay was okay, but both Royal Pacific and Portofino Bay are excellent resorts. Would have chosen the new Sapphire Falls, but they don't offer club level suites.

A bay view 450 Sq foot room during the first week of May at Portofino Bay is $256 a night. Average nightly room rate for a main building room at GF for the same time period with FL resident discount? $943. I've stayed in suites at both Disney and Universal. Disney will never match the three Loews resorts. Portofino Bay is Uni's top resort. Non-suite room rates start in the upper $200s.

If Disney really was worried about the competition, they would offer hotel rates competitive with that other park. As Spirit said, Poly could offer rooms for $99 a night and make a profit....
With all of the hotels Universal is building right now, how many resort guest can they serve right now? It looks like they are building more hotel rooms too. They could make a huge run on Disney once they get hotel rooms up to a certain level - new theme water park and add another theme park. Plus, if they figure out a transportation system that ties the hotels and theme parks together would be the game changer.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
I love the UOR hotels. The WDW and Uni parks aren't interchangeable products though.

True. If I weren't DVC, I'd seriously consider staying in Royal Pacific for a Disney trip. As an AP, my park parking is free. We've visited Disney for a special event while staying at Uni. Parking wasn't that bad. The drive over, though, was not fun.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
With all of the hotels Universal is building right now, how many resort guest can they serve right now? It looks like they are building more hotel rooms too. They could make a huge run on Disney once they get hotel rooms up to a certain level - new theme water park and add another theme park. Plus, if they figure out a transportation system that ties the hotels and theme parks together would be the game changer.

They have boats and buses. What else are you referring to?

I think Volcano Bay is going to put Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon to shame. I'm not a big water park person, but I'm looking forward to spending a day at Volcano Bay during our trip in September.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
I love going to WDW, and have an AP there this year, however, it is absolutely fair to compare Universal and Disney. You do get more for your money there.

I'm blessed with a job that allows me to travel a lot, I also love going to theme parks. Due to this I end up buying a "premium AP" every year, which I define as WDW, Disneyland, or Universal, and go for a few week long trips a year. Due to the fact that I stay off property there, my DL years are the cheapest, Universal is slightly more expensive and WDW is much more expensive. Universal's biggest negative up to this point is that I could not stay there an entire week like I could at the Disney properties, I would typically spend 4 days at Universal and a day at BGT and SWO (thanks to BGW I almost always have a Sea World AP.). However, with Volcano Bay, and Nintendo coming on line soon that is about to change.

Even for me, WDW is simply to expensive to justify evenly swapping between the three properties, after my AP expires this year I won't have a WDW pass until the 50th. This October it's back to Universal, with the following year going back to CA for Star Wars Land's opening.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
But the big one is that the EPCOT resort I first broke here years ago appears to be on again as a full blown, very pricey, very deluxe resort. Yes, this is the one at the entrance that was planned as DVC
I recall you bringing it up yeas ago. So it will possibly be near the entrance of Epcot? Im trying to picture where exactly. What type of theme might it be?
 

alex0c

Active Member
Does Disney really need more room capacity? Better stated, does Disney need more timeshares? At the expense of cash rooms?

From a pure business standpoint I think DVC is one of the best things Disney has ever done. Besides the outrageous profit on the initial sale of points, they continue to make money managing the property and increase economies of scale for their overall hotel operation.

But most importantly it keeps people coming back every single year buying park tickets and spending money on property. DVC occupancy is near 100% year round. The buyers also tend to be older, which generally means they spend more money on dining, etc.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
CBR is also another resort I don't get a lot hits on. But I will say I think the location is prime and these additions make logical sense. It has the most potential to be upgraded to a Deluxe. The theme is one most travelers enjoy. CBR took a hit when the rooms were in crummy shape in early/mid 2000's, anyone doing research on the net would see many negative reviews of worn/dirty rooms. So many people shy away from the resort. Once you get a reputation, its hard to overcome.

CBR was also Disney's first try at building a mid priced resort. In the 30 years since it opened the expectations of tourists have changed quite a bit, so it makes sense to give it a major overhaul. I agree that it has great potential thanks to its location.
 

hpyhnt 1000

Well-Known Member
Chappie and The Weatherman expect WDW attendance to go up BIGLY in the next 5-6 years. They believe demand will outpace supply and that you will pay Four Seasons prices for a Disney motel if it is sold/targeted correctly. They may be right with many of you. I am largely over WDW and admit that. I am excited by DAK and very little else, except CM 40% dining discounts. But if you are an addict or a newbie, maybe you will pay those prices. Even if they excite me, I'll simply use my DVC points. Barring a parks renaissance that I don't see happening.

They're probably not wrong about attendance increasing again. Major expansions at at least 2 parks, maybe 3 as we'll see with Epcot, coupled with the emotional pull of celebrating MKs 50th - there's bound to be a decent uptick from both new guests and previous ones visiting for nostalgia's sake. Whether that leads to room occupancy increasing "bigly" remains to be seen.

In the theoretical case of Pop Century, paying more for the same rooms that, only 5 years earlier, had been classified as "value" and could be had for half the price? Sorry, to me gondola rides to two parks aren't worth spending $600 more for a week long stay. And don't even start on pricing the previous moderate resorts even higher. I'm not interested in paying $400/night to stay in a lightly themed hotel tower overlooking the remnants of a once beautiful Coronado Springs Resort. Nor does $500+ for a room at one of the monorail resorts float my boat, either.

I've had the fortune of staying at some fantastic hotels on three continents as part of my job. The price for those hotels has never exceeded $400/night, and that's true 5-star resort experiences right down to oceanfront views, expansive breakfast buffets, and personalized service. The Disney resorts just aren't even close in terms of amenities or service. You've got to know your audience AND what you're selling, and your product has to match the price you're charging. I'm willing to give Disney ~20% up charge on most things, but you can't then go and stick a 30% up charge on your up charge, in addition to the rumored resort fees and parking charges. I know for some it won't matter but I think for a lot of people it will.

As @LAKid53 notes, when your $120/night off site Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn Express can offer a larger room with proper doors, upgraded bath fixtures, and a coffee maker - and free breakfast and parking! - it gets pretty tough to justify spending twice as much for none of that. But maybe I undervalue gondolas, hidden Mickeys, and Disney Magic®.

Time will tell.
 

NearTheEars

Well-Known Member
They love creating unrealistic expectations. I was speaking with my father yesterday and he mentioned that commercial and said, "when the hell does a princess character ever hang out in the lobby and does Disney really think people believe that". He also mentioned how they used the GF lobby as if every Disney resort looks like that.

My favorite is still the "More Magical" commercial. The family is checking in. They are wearing magic bands so obviously they were sent to them, yet they have made no FP+ selections or especially highly sought after ADR's such as CRT, yet the CM gets them a reservation right away. And the moms request to "take a break by the pool" is hilarious. As if you need a reservation to do that. I cant find it on youtube, so here is a link: https://ispot.tv/a/AYKD for anybody that wants to watch it and have a good laugh at the unrealistic expectations they set.

While not anywhere near comparable on price point, it's not much different from those fast food commercials showing a pristine, juicy, product when in reality you end up with a smashed, messy hamburger.
 

alex0c

Active Member
I think Volcano Bay is going to put Blizzard Beach and Typhoon Lagoon to shame. I'm not a big water park person, but I'm looking forward to spending a day at Volcano Bay during our trip in September.

I'm curious to see how effective 'the bubble' will be. Based on some videos I have seen of ride testing, once you climb the stairs to board a ride the view will be of a bunch of... highways. I love climbing to the top of Summit Pummet and seeing green as far as you can see ;)
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Yes. One, possibly two near Epcot.

Possibly one near MK (no, not on Seven Seas)

And longer term one near Disneys Star Wars and a few other IP Studios Adventure Park.

Near Epcot... Do you mean one by Epcot's main entrance? (In addition to the Swolphin Fantasia Tower.)

The one near MK... there was a rumor I remember from somewhere (and you could possibly be the source, or, I heard it on Reddit) of possibly:

1. New Bay/Contemporary Tower.
2. New resort out by the old race car track.


From who? Four Seasons?

Am I off base thinking Disney is over building? You've got the additions to CSR and CBR, plus the potential for four more? Do Bob and Bob really think they can maintain occupancy at 4-6 more hotels to make them at least marginally profitable? Or is everything going to be DVC, so they'll get it at the front end....

The upside I can see is if they end up over building and occupancy rates drop to say 60% - 70%, they will start lowering rack rates. Nah.....

So, a few months ago I planned a WDW vacation for the beginning of March. My usual first choice, the Swolphin, was booked some of those days. So, I went with POP. Then, just yesterday, friends joined in and we needed another room. Went to the Disney site and found that every single Disney resort room was booked except for a few over $550/night.

So, it seems to me they need more rooms.
 

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