On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
It's a good incentive to work at Disney while going to college.

It absolutely was for me. I had a well known employer on my resumé by the time I graduated, and I was long gone from Florida, where Disney on a resumé is looked highly upon.
 

The Mom

Moderator
Premium Member
I would love to live in Florida, but I won't because I'd have to take a pay cut. We moved out of California to a state with a lower cost of living and a comparable income for my husband. It made life a lot easier.

Which is why so many people move here after retirement - which is one reason we are a "taker" state. People earned/contributed to pensions, 401k, IRAs, SS. medicare, etc in other, higher pay/higher taxes states, but move here after retirement and start withdrawing all of those benefits.
 

Sir_Cliff

Well-Known Member
I suppose I’m lucky but it’s been incredibly easy for me to get jobs in the fields that I’m passionate about and enjoy.
I have also been very lucky to get a job that I enjoy (well, it has its moments) in a field that I love. This, though, makes me more understanding of the situation many CMs find themselves in.

Within my field (academia), it is very common for people to spend years working hard on poverty wages and ultimately go nowhere. That's in large part because the higher education system is structured to take advantage of the fact people are passionate about their field and will sacrifice a lot to obtain a job, sucking in more people to do PhDs than there are academic jobs and them dangling the carrot of an eventual job in front of them in exchange for cheap teaching labor. Because some people do make it and the culture tells you that you have to persevere if you hope to be worthy of a tenure track position, it becomes very hard for people to judge whether they're chasing sunk costs or giving up on their life's ambition because they don't want it enough. I had to work hard, but was also lucky to get the position I have. One little decision or random event along the way and I could easily be still jumping from temporary contract to temporary contract not sure if I'm doing the right thing.

So, I can completely understand people buying into the whole Disney dream and not recognising the difference between sunk costs and perseverance in deciding to remain in their job. The culture people are describing here doesn't seem a world away from what I've seen in my own field.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
I would love to live in Florida, but I won't because I'd have to take a pay cut. We moved out of California to a state with a lower cost of living and a comparable income for my husband. It made life a lot easier.

I'm a bit lucky in that I am officially a Chicago employee in a remote position. So I earn a Chicago Wacker Drive salary while working from home in Miami.

But we really want out of Florida. My wife's career has hit a bit of a wall in Florida, so we are looking at DC or Denver.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
I'm a bit lucky in that I am officially a Chicago employee in a remote position. So I earn a Chicago Wacker Drive salary while working from home in Miami.

But we really want out of Florida. My wife's career has hit a bit of a wall in Florida, so we are looking at DC or Denver.
DC or Denver- hopefully you like a lot of snow especially in Denver.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
But we really want out of Florida. My wife's career has hit a bit of a wall in Florida, so we are looking at DC or Denver.

Well if you are concerned about cost of living.. DC shouldn't be high on your list :) Even way out in our suburbs, many drive an hour to work simply because they can't afford to live near where they work :) And I'm not talking about 'commuting to the city' - I'm talking about can't live in suburb ABC, so you live in BFE county and commute in.

Anywhere nice in the DC suburbs costs a fortune. Not SF or NYC... but considering I live 45mins from the city and still have those kind of urban comparisons... that should tell you something :)

Of course you could move out to the country here.. we have really nice stuff out to the west.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
DC or Denver- hopefully you like a lot of snow especially in Denver.
You obviously don’t live in Denver. We’ve been here 12 years and there is not nearly as much snow as people think. Even when we get 10” the roads are bare and wet within 24 hours of the snow stopping. There was one time it got really cold after a heavy snow and things stuck around causing problems. But it was once. I think the Northeast down to DC gets storms with way more impact than we get.

Our snow mostly comes end of October or beginning of November or March into April. So when it snows it’s still pretty warm so it’s over quickly.
 

The_Jobu

Well-Known Member
I have also been very lucky to get a job that I enjoy (well, it has its moments) in a field that I love. This, though, makes me more understanding of the situation many CMs find themselves in.

Within my field (academia), it is very common for people to spend years working hard on poverty wages and ultimately go nowhere. That's in large part because the higher education system is structured to take advantage of the fact people are passionate about their field and will sacrifice a lot to obtain a job, sucking in more people to do PhDs than there are academic jobs and them dangling the carrot of an eventual job in front of them in exchange for cheap teaching labor. Because some people do make it and the culture tells you that you have to persevere if you hope to be worthy of a tenure track position, it becomes very hard for people to judge whether they're chasing sunk costs or giving up on their life's ambition because they don't want it enough. I had to work hard, but was also lucky to get the position I have. One little decision or random event along the way and I could easily be still jumping from temporary contract to temporary contract not sure if I'm doing the right thing.

So, I can completely understand people buying into the whole Disney dream and not recognising the difference between sunk costs and perseverance in deciding to remain in their job. The culture people are describing here doesn't seem a world away from what I've seen in my own field.


Ugh, its such a tough road. I'm just starting and already collecting backup options.
 

mwf5555

Active Member
It is pretty obvious at this point that if in fact there were layoffs yesterday, they weren’t among the frontline cast members. That would have been all over social media. If layoffs happened yesterday it was among the management ranks.
no, its not obvious...maybe just a phased approach and maybe if a cast member said anything then they would lose some incentive
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Well if you are concerned about cost of living.. DC shouldn't be high on your list :) Even way out in our suburbs, many drive an hour to work simply because they can't afford to live near where they work :) And I'm not talking about 'commuting to the city' - I'm talking about can't live in suburb ABC, so you live in BFE county and commute in.

Anywhere nice in the DC suburbs costs a fortune. Not SF or NYC... but considering I live 45mins from the city and still have those kind of urban comparisons... that should tell you something :)

Of course you could move out to the country here.. we have really nice stuff out to the west.


In my wife's profession, DC would increase her earning potential enough to more than offset the increased cost of living. And once she's settled in, I can search for a local job that would pay better.

I've tried to convince her to move west, but other than Denver and Portland, she's not interested. She loves to visit, but other than those two cities, she's not interested in being off the east coast, as to be closer to home.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
is this a guess or confirmed?

My termination was by phone call telling me to come in. I came in and was terminated. I asked if I hadn't answered, what would have happened, and was told they would have terminated me with a certified letter.

Termination for consecutive No Call/No Show is by certified letter.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
After almost an entire lifetime of perpetual summer, it's become a bit boring.
Be warned, we only have 2 seasons here in Denver. It goes from 40-50s to 90 in about 3 weeks, and back the other way. Spring and Fall are edited. Too cold to be outside followed by too hot to be outside. And summer is just brown, and I miss the water. Home for us is the PacNW but we got priced out.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
DC suburbs. Richest per capita county in the country... https://www.loudountimes.com/busine...cle_04019b78-e90d-11e9-b29f-afd4cca3c2e8.html

But note I didn't grow up here..I didn't default into this... I moved here for the same reason many other professionals did 20+ years ago.

We're looking in DC and Fairfax county. She's an insurance attorney transitioning into IP law, so DC, NY, and California are the obvious places. But we don't want to live in NY or California.

The other places we'd consider are "eh, let's see if we can get an offer"
 

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