Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?

[Jrb1979]

Everyone trying to play gotcha, pulling from posts from month or so ago, claiming things I never said, is pretty boring, moving on.

I understand your side is that it's not as bad as everyone keeps saying so there is no need to shutdown again. I agree we shouldn't shutdown again but more should be done to get the numbers even lower. What makes me laugh and shake my head at is how there is always a reason things can't be done. Fining businesses and people can be done. Its funny how most cities here passed laws quickly to do just that. There is measures that can be put in place so people can go to work as @DisneyCane wants.

 

[kong1802]

Of course , but the point is a good bit of those deaths already happened weeks and months ago

You gotta stop with the side splitters.

ETA: So your post after mid June praising low death counts was misleading and misguided? Is that what you are saying?

 

[Miss Bella]

We got them last August and then went again in January, so we did get 2 - 5 day trips, but we had scheduled for May and July which didn't happen. We booked August and November before booking stopped, but August is not happening. I'll keep my fingers crossed now for November, but not holding out much hope for things getting better virus wise.

I was considering upgrading my tickets to annual passes, but they are not currently selling them. Oh well one less decision to make.

 

[kong1802]

Sigh. I'm going to take you at your word, and not that you're being intentionally obtuse- it is a very bad sign that these deaths happened weeks and months ago, considering the recent explosion in cases.

Please tell me you understand this reality.

Not at all. When total deaths in the US late June were only 350 for a day, we get on here and say "Look, lowest death total in a while, things are looking up"

In July, when that number is over 1,000 for a day we say "Ok, but some of those could be in that June number I used to tout how great things were, and so that makes my June statement look bad but I'm not gonna admit that, we just have to mentally subtract out numbers from the high July day total so it doesn't look bad now"

It's a complicated game. But its a funny complicated game.

 

[Miss Bella]

I understand your side is that it's not as bad as everyone keeps saying so there is no need to shutdown again. I agree we shouldn't shutdown again but more should be done to get the numbers even lower. What makes me laugh and shake my head at is how there is always a reason things can't be done. Fining businesses and people can be done. Its funny how most cities here passed laws quickly to do just that. There is measures that can be put in place so people can go to work as @DisneyCane wants.

I think WDW is doing everything they can to make it a safe experience. The problem seems to be in south Florida. I know nothing about South Florida I can’t even begin to have an opinion on it know what the problem is or how to fix it.

 

[Dizneykid]

Its downright hilarious how some of you think things are ok. I have posted a few times things that will work without shutting things down. You never comment other then to say how much I laugh

You have been one of the most outspoken advocates for closing Disney despite that they are mandating stricter safety measures than anywhere I can think of. I've always been pro-masks but also don't see any evidence for shutting down any business doing this safely. I will bet a hundred bucks that a majority of these cases in Florida are from people who are taking bigger risks.

 

[Jrb1979]

I think WDW is doing everything they can to make it a safe experience. The problem seems to be in south Florida. I know nothing about South Florida I can’t even begin to have an opinion on it know what the problem is or how to fix it.

The thing is the things that are working here can be done everywhere. Make masks mandatory, pass laws to fine people and businesses for not complying with social distancing. The economy can still run with those rules in place.

 

[DisneyCane]

Hardly.

Closing the parks is not life coming to a standstill.

It is for the CMs and people who want to live life by going to the parks.

 

[Miss Bella]

Its funny cause in Erie they have people going to the low income areas handing out masks and talking to the people and making them informed. Yet another thing that can be done to help slow the spread.

I have to ask @legwand77 @DisneyCane @LUVMCO tell me why making masks mandatory, fining people and businesses who don't comply with social distancing and going into low income neighborhoods and handing out masks won't work.

When have we ever debated that or said it wouldn’t work. I can tell Ive never been part of that discussion.

 

[Miss Bella]

The thing is the things that are working here can be done everywhere. Make masks mandatory, pass laws to fine people and businesses for not complying with social distancing. The economy can still run with those rules in place.

Again weve never discussed this before.

 

[Jrb1979]

You have been one of the most outspoken advocates for closing Disney despite that they are mandating stricter safety measures than anywhere I can think of. I've always been pro-masks but also don't see any evidence for shutting down any business doing this safely. I will bet a hundred bucks that a majority of these cases in Florida are from people who are taking bigger risks.

Disney can have all the safe measures in the world in place. The problem is people outside of Florida traveling to Disney.

 

[Miss Bella]

Disney can have all the safe measures in the world in place. The problem is people outside of Florida traveling to Disney.

Why is it a problem if they follow the rules. You keep contradicting yourself.

 

[Dizneykid]

There's nothing "positive" about the situation. However, it isn't the worst pandemic to ever hit humanity and isn't the apocalypse either. Life doesn't need to completely stop in response and WDW can operate as currently configured without endangering the population.

I actually take this virus very seriously but we've been going out with our masks. It was eye opening to see how many people are doing the same. The media has a way of making a narrative. More people want to live life than not and masks have paved us a way to do it safely. HLN interviewed a man visiting Disney after it opened. She kept trying to bait him into saying something bad and he wouldn't. He said he never felt safer than at Disney.

 

[Dizneykid]

Disney can have all the safe measures in the world in place. The problem is people outside of Florida traveling to Disney.

Not if the measures work? Are you saying they don't?

 

[marni1971]

It is for the CMs and people who want to live life by going to the parks.

No, it isn’t. Park attendance being stopped is a mild inconvenience. I know all about it. Cast would expect their elected leaders to provide some support.

Buy hey.

 

[Jrb1979]

Why is it a problem if they follow the rules. You keep contradicting yourself.

Inside the park people are following the rules but outside the park most aren't. You have to travel to through the places where people aren't following rules to get to the park.

 

[Miss Bella]

Inside the park people are following the rules but outside the park most aren't. You have to travel to through the places where people aren't following rules to get to the park.

How could you possibly know this when you live in Canada.

 

[havoc315]

There, I brought it up. The poster I replied to is suggesting that strict full lockdowns are the right thing to do and would have "smashed" the virus if they were done in Florida. I brought up Sweden because they didn't do that.

I really don't get why anyone would point to Sweden's choices -- Sweden has been a total disaster. 10 times worse than their border countries. Their mortality rate will soon surpass countries that were hit hard and early.
Sweden is 1 of the few countries that have actually handled Coronavirus nearly as badly as the USA.

Grim coronavirus death toll projected in Sweden after lax approach to pandemic

In the worst scenario, where COVID-19 was expected to follow a traditional pandemic trajectory, over 4,400 more deaths related to the virus could follow.

www.cbsnews.com

Sweden hoped herd immunity would curb COVID-19. Don't do what we did. It's not working.

Sweden's approach to COVID has led to death, grief and suffering. The only example we're setting is how not to deal with a deadly infectious disease.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Jrb1979]

How could you possibly know this when you live in Canada.

From what people are posting here about grocery stores and people not wearing masks. The fact airlines are filling planes with no social distancing in place. In all honesty you're much better off driving to Disney and only stopping for gas til you get there.

 

[Dizneykid]

Inside the park people are following the rules but outside the park most aren't. You have to travel to through the places where people aren't following rules to get to the park.

What are you referring to? Airlines require masks as far as I know. People have been flying all along. There aren't many businesses left that aren't focusing on new safety. You have to follow the rules at Disney. Why does it matter much what people do outside of that if the park itself literally screens guests and makes them wear a mask everywhere? Masks either work or they don't.
I'm going go bring up the protests again too (NOT POLITICAL) because most Disney closure enthusiasts were confidently vouching for the mass protests as low risk while a theme park with strict guidelines is considered evil. If the protests didn't prove that masks work, what would? I can't for the life of me understand the targeted outrage being hurled at Disney over any other theme park currently open.