schuelma
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And the mayor of Amity Island thought the water was safe.
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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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And the mayor of Amity Island thought the water was safe.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
But just a few days ago they said they attempted to find a contribution from the theme parks that are already opened and could not find anything. They specifically said they are looked. So by that, there are currently no indications.
schuelma
Well-Known Member
With the amount of positive cases coming back I would be absolutely shocked if any amount of meaningful tracing is going on.
chrisvee
Well-Known Member
I continue to be amazed that there’s a burden of proof required around the issue of theme parks opening in the epicenter of a pandemic.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
This is coming from an Orange County health officer. I’m just reporting what is being said.
schuelma
Well-Known Member
I am not saying they aren't trying- I'm saying the sheer numbers make it very unlikely they are able to adequately trace in sufficient numbers to make any real determinations.
I'm curious. I don't know if anyone knows the answer. What exactly would classify as an "outbreak?"
So, if multiple WDW staff get infected (or ill, whatever the right term is) that would likely qualify as an outbreak that ought to cause concern because staff is likely in constant contact with visitors.
However, if there are guests that report being infected at or near time of a Disney vacation, would that cause similar concern? I mean, a guest comes and goes to the park for only a limited time.
Edit: Unlike everyone else on the internet, I'm not an epidemiologist
So, if multiple WDW staff get infected (or ill, whatever the right term is) that would likely qualify as an outbreak that ought to cause concern because staff is likely in constant contact with visitors.
However, if there are guests that report being infected at or near time of a Disney vacation, would that cause similar concern? I mean, a guest comes and goes to the park for only a limited time.
Edit: Unlike everyone else on the internet, I'm not an epidemiologist
DisneyDebRob
Well-Known Member
You are one here.. congrats! We all are!I'm curious. I don't know if anyone knows the answer. What exactly would classify as an "outbreak?"
So, if multiple WDW staff get infected (or ill, whatever the right term is) that would likely qualify as an outbreak that ought to cause concern because staff is likely in constant contact with visitors.
However, if there are guests that report being infected at or near time of a Disney vacation, would that cause similar concern? I mean, a guest comes and goes to the park for only a limited time.
Edit: Unlike everyone else on the internet, I'm not an epidemiologist
DisneyDebRob
Well-Known Member
How many more of these do you think we will see? It’s just starting I think.
triblive.com
Parents sue Kennywood, Sandcastle, Idlewild over mask requirements
The parents of four children with medical conditions are suing Kennywood, Sandcastle Waterpark and Idlewild & SoakZone, contending their ownership violated federal law and Pennsylvania Health Department coronavirus orders by requiring all patrons to wear face masks. The federal lawsuit contends...
triblive.com
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Large SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak Caused by Asymptomatic Traveler, China
Large SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak Caused by Asymptomatic Traveler, China
wwwnc.cdc.gov
GoofGoof
Premium Member
This highlights the challenges with contact tracing but here’s my thoughts on how this most likely works. Let’s take Universal as the example since its been open longer. A person tests positive and the department of health worker asks all the places they have been in the past 14 days. The list includes 5 restaurants, the mall, 2 shopping centers, an office building for work, a friend‘s house for a BBQ and 2 trips to the grocery store along with a day spent at Islands of Adventure. It’s virtually impossible to “pin” an infection on Universal in that case because the person went many other places and only spent 1 day at Universal. The information is still taken and most likely they will attempt to follow up with the people the person works with and the friends at the BBQ. The department of health is not going to do anything with the other contact places except document them. It’s impossible to trace the people you had contact with at those public locations.I'm curious. I don't know if anyone knows the answer. What exactly would classify as an "outbreak?"
So, if multiple WDW staff get infected (or ill, whatever the right term is) that would likely qualify as an outbreak that ought to cause concern because staff is likely in constant contact with visitors.
However, if there are guests that report being infected at or near time of a Disney vacation, would that cause similar concern? I mean, a guest comes and goes to the park for only a limited time.
Edit: Unlike everyone else on the internet, I'm not an epidemiologist
As you pointed out It’s much easier to identify an outbreak amongst staff than visitors. If several workers from the same area test positive they may reach out to others in that area and suggest they get tested. I think if multiple additional people come back positive they would categorize it an outbreak. I believe it would be nearly impossible to pin an outbreak amongst guests on a theme park like Universal.
The one area where WDW is unique is the time spent on property. It is possible that a decent percentage of WDW guests will stay there for a week or longer and especially if they fly in and use DME may not leave WDW. So while there still won’t be proof that someone definitely got sick at WDW it’s more likely to have cases amongst guests pinned on it due to the length of stay. If someone arrives healthy and comes down with symptoms 10 days into a 2 week visit that will most likely be assumed to be an infection from WDW.
chrisvee
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GoofGoof
Premium Member
Who cares. That will be wrapped up in court for years. By the time they get a verdict the pandemic will be long over. Nobody is beating a mask requirement with a lawsuit. It is what it is. People just need to deal with it.How many more of these do you think we will see? It’s just starting I think.
Parents sue Kennywood, Sandcastle, Idlewild over mask requirements
The parents of four children with medical conditions are suing Kennywood, Sandcastle Waterpark and Idlewild & SoakZone, contending their ownership violated federal law and Pennsylvania Health Department coronavirus orders by requiring all patrons to wear face masks. The federal lawsuit contends...
oceanbreeze77
Well-Known Member
his wife is also a front runner for the VP nom
mergatroid
Well-Known Member
How many more of these do you think we will see? It’s just starting I think.
Parents sue Kennywood, Sandcastle, Idlewild over mask requirements
The parents of four children with medical conditions are suing Kennywood, Sandcastle Waterpark and Idlewild & SoakZone, contending their ownership violated federal law and Pennsylvania Health Department coronavirus orders by requiring all patrons to wear face masks. The federal lawsuit contends...
People are so selfish and stupid.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
A court could order the parks to exempt people while the litigation is pending. The hurdle they have to overcome is safety. Desired accommodations do not have to be provided if they are considered unsafe. This is why parks can prohibit persons with missing limbs from riding a coaster even if they have ridden the coaster in the past.
they looked. So they determined the origins of all 12,000 of yesterday’s confirmed infections??
Here is the truth. They don’t know. Based on the limited available evidence, they haven’t seen a big spike that they can definitively attach to the smaller theme park openings.
But they truly don’t know.
Though not specifically masks, the Supreme Court already refused to hear challenges to Covid public health measures.
No question the courts would uphold mask requirements.
Just like they uphold pants requirements!
Can you imagine someone challenging a restaurant prohibition against naked guests?
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
I’m confused. Am I supposed to believe the experts in the field or not? I keep getting conflicted messages.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
They haven’t identified an outbreak directly related to the parks that have been open. That doesn’t mean nobody got sick there. How could they possibly identify a theme park as the source if people are only spending a day or 2 there at most? Would it be fair to pin the case on a supermarket or gym because the person visited those places? Same goes for a theme park. Now workers could be different if they spent little time anywhere but home and work over a period of a week or 2. It’s much easier to determine that the theme park is where they likely got sick.