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Do you think that Disney world will reclose its gates due to the rising number of COVID cases in Florida and around the country?
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chrisvee
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are we measuring them yet? how do we know they are rare?
Ldno
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That depends if we are in Europe alreadyThats some road!
jk In all reality now that I thought about it, i have driven to both Disneyland and Disneyworld from San Antonio, Texas cheaper than flying to an extent all things considered hehe
WDW Pro
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Outside of the government calling for it? One of the big three in the company making the decision. This is the world we live in now.
Unfortunately that's not the way viruses work. You can mitigate, but the virus is still there. The only solutions are herd immunity (might not work if fast mutations), vaccine (might not work if fast mutations), or the virus loses potency over time. Until you reach those points, there's no finish line where you win.
from the current reports they are and that is all we know now.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Yeah. I really hope he’s right about the peaking.
Disstevefan1
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chrisvee
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Exactly. The article goes on to say:
Berner said the study was representative for the state of Saxony, which has a relatively low rate of infection compared with other parts of Germany.
For other states with low infection rates, the study suggests schools could be reopened without causing widespread outbreaks of the virus, he said.
Not too many states in US meet that criterion.
chrisvee
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hmmm. and yet many credible health experts are warning people about complications. who to believe???
lazyboy97o
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A plateau may not have a peak but it isn’t good.
No.. I think people want businesses open *safely.*
That does mean closing some businesses in some locations where it's the only effective way to manage the virus.
It means operating other businesses in other locations with preventive measures.
If Florida was not currently having skyrocketing cases and increasing deaths and filled-up ICUs, that's an entirely different conversation.
The question is --- As applied to Disney specifically, is it a significant danger? And let me say this to everyone -- we don't know.
It's quite possible that the mitigation measures will be enough to prevent Disney being a source of infection directly. (infections at Disney). It's possible that it won't lead to lots of infections indirectly (people getting it on planes, buses and ubers on the way to Disney, hotels and restaurants near Disney, etc). It's also possible that despite Disney's best efforts -- It's just too hard to prevent spread in restaurants with AC systems blowing the virus around, on rides with people screaming, etc.
We don't know. Now, I fully admit I don't know -- but considering the current Florida caseload, I would have thought it wiser to err on the side of caution.
That's. Not. How. It. Works.
We haven't solved AIDs. There is no herd immunity, there are no vaccines and it hasn't lost it's potency.
There is still no finish line of winning with AIDs, as an example.
But there is indeed another very major solution -- Adapting so you can live with it.
Even with a vaccine, most of the vaccines are not expected to be 100% effective. They are actually hoping for around 50% effective.
As with AIDs, they are hoping for therapeutics that make the disease less dangerous.
As with AIDs (which prompted a safe sex revolution), you change behaviors to reduce the prevalence of the disease.
In terms of viral outbreak, when numbers are low, you can safely contain spread with extensive testing and contact tracing. (which is done with HIV too)
You do all those things -- improved therapeutics, preventative behaviors, testing + contact tracing -- Those become a "solution" even without herd immunity, even without a vaccine (or a partially effective vaccine), etc.
There is no finish line here even with a vaccine. Contrary to the perception of some, there isn't going to be a magic day we mark on the calendar where we can rip off our masks and go back to normal.
It's a gradual progression... gradually adapting, following the science, and gradually returning to "normal" though possibly never fully exactly the same normal as we had before. (though I suspect we will get pretty close to that normal in another 6-18 months).
Mind you, Orange County has a major economic interest in WDW. So take it with a grain of salt.
I do indeed believe WDW has done an outstanding job putting in safety measures.
But it's ignoring the big danger: How well are all the hotels, restaurants and bar that surround WDW doing? How well are ubers, taxis, buses and airplanes doing that will bring the guests to Disney World?
chrisvee
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yes. it‘s the people Disney is drawing to the area during a spike that’s the issue.
Orange County Mayor reiterates support of Disney theme park reopenings
The Walt Disney Company News
According to Jerry Demings, "if there is one place on planet Earth where we should be successful it would be at Disney."
www.wdwmagic.com
He/Florida Department of Health explicitly stated that the theme parks are not showing any issue. They have no indications of that at all.
WDW just opened. You can't going to see an "issue" for at least several weeks. Have other parks shown an issue?
Well... are cases increasing or decreasing in Florida?
Theme parks started re-opening in mid June...
How have cases gone since mid-June?
About a 1000% increase since early June. I don't know what degree of the increase is caused by "theme parks." Whether very little, or lots.
But don't tell me there are "no indications" of any issue. There is a big flashing siren of an issue.