Animaniac93-98
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I am too and I'm hoping the two of them (especially top guy Iger) can push the stubborn TDO execs into doing stuff.
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Construction bids going out for TLM attraction?
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Figment632
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It better be good because if Universal really builds their Harry Potter DR with that new tech it will blow this ride away, but maybe that would be better because it would force Disney to Focus on their parks more.
tirian
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It looks like it might happen. I heard Iger was both pleased with WDI's presentations (yay for Fantasyland!) and annoyed to see that all of Lasseter's complaints about WDW were true (boo about poor maintenance and refurb scheduling). I honestly think that better days are ahead for WDW, as long as the people who recognize the resort's issues are allowed to properly fix the problems. Iger's visits brought hope to the Florida WDI team.
Of course, in the grand scheme of things, a change in exec leadership wouldn't hurt the P&R division, either.
goodtimes5286
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Maybe the definition of an E-ticket has changed? I'm not saying that it's all about thrills now, but even a well imagined and themed area, now a days, might need an element of thrill for this generation (which is MUCH different then the last generation) for it to get that E-ticket status. Just like guests likes and dislikes change, attraction classifications could as well.An E Ticket means much more than G forces to Imagineers and longtime Disney fans. But to the young generation "E Ticket" only means short thrill rides and barf bags, if they even know what an E Ticket is to begin with.
On a side note, as much validity as people put into this whole E-ticket thing, I would love to hear from an imageneer as to how they classify attractions. Do they talk about them like we do around each other, just to the general public, or they have a different system all together?
tirian
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PotC, HM, and JC are still considered E-tickets without the thrill factors, and Guests are responding to TSMM as if it's an "E" when it's really only a "D." M:S is supposed to be an "E," but Soarin' gets much higher ridership without the same barf-worthy thrill.
Guests expect exemplary theming from Disney, not the same roller coasters they can get at the local Six Flags. People walk into a Disney park with a different level of expectation; that's why DCA was such a massive failure.
SirGoofy
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It looks like it might happen. I heard Iger was both pleased with WDI's presentations (yay for Fantasyland!) and annoyed to see that all of Lasseter's complaints about WDW were true (boo about poor maintenance and refurb scheduling). I honestly think that better days are ahead for WDW, as long as the people who recognize the resort's issues are allowed to properly fix the problems. Iger's visits brought hope to the Florida WDI team.
Of course, in the grand scheme of things, a change in exec leadership wouldn't hurt the P&R division, either.
Hooray for Lasseter's complaints!:sohappy:
Buried20KLeague
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I was surprised at how much of a difference this makes. The DCA queue is just horrible. Very little theming, jam-packed switchbacks with a few fans but no climate control. Even the Potato Head does little to make the line enjoyable because you pass by him about 3 minutes into the line, even if the line is 40 minutes long.
Meanwhile, the queue in DHS is indoors, climate controlled, and has more props and things to look at and smile about than just about any other queue. And you can watch and hear Potato Head do his thing for a reasonable portion of the time in the queue. I still don't understand why the let the queue in DHS stack up outside instead of using all of the indoor switchbacks (like the ones that follow the Candyland board), but the themed queue makes a huge difference.
whylightbulb
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We do refer to the scope of an attraction by the letter ticket nomenclature. We also use the terms dark ride, flat ride, show etc. Just as pointed out, the higher the letter that usually means the higher the budget, size, complexity etc. The Little Mermaid will be the first true E-ticket to meet the quality standards set by Disney to be opened here in the states since Tower of Terror and Indiana Jones (Anaheim).
kramden88
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I'm indifferent to this. While I love Nemo, there's probably enough of him between The Seas and the AK show. I would really love to see Crush Coaster come to WDW, however.
If they're going to put in a new TLM attraction it would be a good opportunity to phase out the show in DHS. Or at the very least majorly update it. I saw it last summer and the effects and technology are embarrassingly '80s.
Also, where would TLM dark ride go in MK?
If they're going to put in a new TLM attraction it would be a good opportunity to phase out the show in DHS. Or at the very least majorly update it. I saw it last summer and the effects and technology are embarrassingly '80s.
Also, where would TLM dark ride go in MK?
kramden88
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Alleluia / :hammer:
goodtimes5286
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lol time frame and the generation they were built had a LOT to do with this. are you trying to tell me a WDW PoTC built NOW would get an E ticket....cmon now....
good stuff
so now that i know your in the know, can you shead some light on what soarin, TSMM, MILF, MS, EE (which i was sure was an E b/c of the complexity that went into designing the queue let alone the ride system and yeti), RnRC, TT, Dinosaur/CtX, or any other ride after ToT I forgot, and what there letter code is and why. sorry if thats gonna take a lot but i love disney imageneering and im really curious b/c the letter thing seamed really ambigious to me (but i was born in 86, when walt was around it was far more concrete), and people talk like the letters they believe are fact.
On a side note can you explain what is going to give TLM dark ride that E status and why Pooh's Hunny Hunt got the same thing. Is it just because of the LPS?
whylightbulb
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While Donosaur, EE and the like could be considered E-tickets, the important part of my post was the statement, "to meet the quality standards set by Disney." They meet the litmus tests to be E-tickets, mainly because of their budgets and size, but that's about all they have going for them.
I would say everything you have on your list would be an E-ticket except TSMM (D), MILF(C), and Soarin'(D).
In regard to your question concerning TLM, the budget will be close to the $100 million mark and the attraction will include advanced AA, full-scale physical sets, elaborate effects etc. Pooh in Tokyo meets every criteria for E-ticket status in complexity, budget, sets, production etc.
marsrunner
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No, WDW PoTC would get a D+; Disneyland's PoTC would get an E. :lol:
Of course they would be E tickets. E ticket does not equal thrill ride. You only think it does because they've not built anything the scope of this that was not a thrill ride in years and years. Its only in recent years that everything big had to be a thrill ride or a rollercoaster because they were trying to compete with Universal.
WDW1974
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I have heard similar things, but am very hesitant to jump to any positive conclusions.
This IS WDW after all ... a place where they believe the details no longer matter and that four parks with problems are better than two that are near perfect ... a place where their biggest priority is shilling and selling timeshares ... a place where they have spent the entire 21st century living off their past.
I am starting to get some real positive vibes, but maybe it's just my tummy telling me I need a snack.
Of course, in the grand scheme of things, a change in exec leadership wouldn't hurt the P&R division, either.
Yeah. Wouldn't it be nice if Jay just rode off into the sunset to spend more time with his family?
~Coming Soon: Disney's Grand Floridian Beach Resort and Villas~
WDW1974
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The budget in Anaheim is over the $100 million mark ... by quite a bit from what I recall ... and this IS WDI, after all ... so whatever it is they'll go over it by quite a bit.
And if it comes to MK, it'll be stripped down a bit ...
~WDI: Home of the $7 million urinal~
nor'easter
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whylightbulb
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Yea I know. When it comes to quoting budgets I tend to go below the "official" number just out of principal. I've heard $150 million and up for LMR! You and I both know that these budgets are waaaaayyyyyy overinflated. If my company (or most other independent themed entertainment design firms for that matter) were given the same budget for any Disney E-ticket we could deliver much more.
The exception would be in the AA realm. However, if we were given 2 projects with E-ticket sized budgets we would use a portion of the first for AA R&D to enable us to retrofit and modify the incredible robotics technologies already available. After that the sky is the limit!
Well, enough dreaming for now. I just hate the fact that with the amount of money WDI wastes on one projet alone, we could build an amazing attraction. Another way to look at it, with one WDI E-ticket budget we could build 3 amazing attractions.