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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

easyrowrdw

Well-Known Member
Almost as if it is a tired franchise choice with diminishing returns.
I think Barbie and Oppenheimer doomed Dead Reckoning at the box office. The movie had good reviews even if it not quite as good as Fallout (which was the high water mark for the series). But it lost the imax screens and buzz to those two other movies.

Overall, it’s been a very successful franchise at the box office and with critics. $400 million is still nuts though lol
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
@Disney Irish

Actually…the conversion is right up in the title thread 👆🏻

It’s performance at the box office

Not “shifting Hollywood models” or “acceptable levels of diminishing returns”

That might be a good thing to go over…but checking the tape here is that the thread coincides with an increase in the frequency or underachieving franchise titles and some downright disasters.

That’s when the goal posts started to sprout legs.

It’s not the end of all discussions…but the benchmark for success is just not really thad debatable.

The product and the performance is down. Just the facts…
And that doesn’t mean all…some have down well or overachieved. Probably 2 for last year…not bad.

May not be a lot of that this year…but stay tuned on that
 

choco choco

Well-Known Member
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LOL. I hope this movie loses half a billion.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
@Disney Irish

Actually…the conversion is right up in the title thread 👆🏻

It’s performance at the box office

Not “shifting Hollywood models” or “acceptable levels of diminishing returns”

That might be a good thing to go over…but checking the tape here is that the thread coincides with an increase in the frequency or underachieving franchise titles and some downright disasters.

That’s when the goal posts started to sprout legs.

It’s not the end of all discussions…but the benchmark for success is just not really thad debatable.

The product and the performance is down. Just the facts…
And that doesn’t mean all…some have down well or overachieved. Probably 2 for last year…not bad.

May not be a lot of that this year…but stay tuned on that
The conversation on the shift in models and its impact on the box office is just as important as the box office results itself, so yes its actually part of the thread topic, thank you. As it has an effect on overall ticket sales, which has been in the decline for over 20 years and is continuing, which has a direct impact on the box office results. So its all correlated back to the whole box office, and its impact on Disney. Its also not happening in a vacuum, so other micro climates such as Disney's favor or not with the public (which has also been discussed in this thread) are also impactful in the overall box office.

So we're still on topic. Not everything is about the weekly numbers my friend, we can have larger discussions that are separate from that while still talking about them.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
An original screenplay not based directly on previous mediums just surpassed what a Marvel Superhero film is playing.

Here is hoping Elio is good and shows good original storytelling for audiences as well.

Only family movie release remake of a cute character well known worldwide. Memorial Day weekend and elementary schools all over going to end of year movie days at local cheap theater showtimes.

There is zero reason Lilo And Stitch should not print money.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
…umm…it’s shocking that a British review trashed it as “rubbish”

That NEVER happens to American popcorn. 🤪

Looks like the home press here is more kind…
It’s a cute remake…it should rake
The reviewer being quoted, Jesse Hassenger, is American and based in Brooklyn. He writes for a variety of publications and outlets, The Guardian being just one of them.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
An original screenplay not based directly on previous mediums just surpassed what a Marvel Superhero film is playing.

Here is hoping Elio is good and shows good original storytelling for audiences as well.

Only family movie release remake of a cute character well known worldwide. Memorial Day weekend and elementary schools all over going to end of year movie days at local cheap theater showtimes.

There is zero reason Lilo And Stitch should not print money.
Well it has to be a passable diversion …the critical response is “curious” to this point.

We also have seen very recently that critical response doesn’t mean a whole lot in the “shifting” world of Hollywood…
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
Stitch is pretty notable at 100M budget. Seems like one of those direct to D+ ventures Iger pulled out to theatrical. Very smartly, obviously.

Now everyone ready for my unhinged curveball? I think a 3X multiplier is quite justified for Stitch. It may be budgeted as a medium film, but there’s no way they aren’t throwing a typical Disney marketing blitz at it.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
He seems to be in the minority…so far

I bet he thinks he’s judging “art”…a common mistake - it appears
That doesn’t seem to be the case. I haven’t read his full review (I am seeing the film next weekend and want to avoid reading too much about it beforehand), but from what I can tell, his objection to the remake is that it is a cynical attempt to cash in on the original without being nearly as good as it. That doesn’t seem a highbrow criticism to me; on the contrary, it seems entirely consistent with what most in the forum say about the remakes as a general category. I find it puzzling that the reaction to Lilo & Stitch has been so different here. Why are people so welcoming of and excited for it, in contrast to nearly all the other remakes?

I ask this as someone who is ambivalent about the remakes: I have never enjoyed any as much as the originals, though I find them interesting enough to want to see them. I am approaching Lilo & Stitch with much the same attitude.
 

DKampy

Well-Known Member
Who said you can't have content streaming success? Not mutually exclusive and does not change the fact that the theatrical box office is still the best and fastest way to make your money.

You will notice that many things people want to watch on Netflix are also box office hits of recent are old. With just their own content, they would habe a rougher go. This was an odd comparison.
The point is according to some people here the only path to profitability is through box office…. Even for a film that is close to breaking even like Cap 4…. Well Netflix literally grosses next to nothing at the box office while still spending billions on some of the worst reviewed movies of any studio

By the way you know what the 2nd most profitable streaming service is…. Disney( which includes ESPN and Hulu…. With the caveat that #1 most likely is actually Amazon Prime…. But they don’t report the numbers
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
That doesn’t seem to be the case. I haven’t read his full review (I am seeing the film next weekend and want to avoid reading too much about it beforehand), but from what I can tell, his objection to the remake is that it is a cynical attempt to cash in on the original without being nearly as good as it. That doesn’t seem a highbrow criticism to me; on the contrary, it seems entirely consistent with what most in the forum say about the remakes as a general category. I find it puzzling that the reaction to Lilo & Stitch has been so different here. Why are people so welcoming of and excited for it, in contrast to nearly all the other remakes?

I ask this as someone who is ambivalent about the remakes: I have never enjoyed any as much as the originals, though I find them interesting enough to want to see them. I am approaching Lilo & Stitch with much the same attitude.
The original…honestly…wasn’t that great. Remember, it wasn’t a huge hit.

But its staying power has far outweighed its original reception.

That’s why the BOD is so high.

As far as remakes go…they’re all the same…cookie cutter remakes in an attempt to cash out. None of them really did anything different but tell the same story with more corny humor. That’s also why they’ve run their course. Too many…too much.

I have a hunch that the reviews to that affect won’t matter much here…it does happen.

Not likely to make the same bank…but the super Mario bros movie sits at a 59%…and it didn’t really matter. Minecraft as well.

I expect more of an “over performance” to critical reviews for stitch than the splat 🫟 of like a Snow White.

But just a hunch
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
It was never black and white. TV, HBO/Cable and Home Video all did this before.

Box office has always and still is the primary correlator to success for most.

Just to throw out this hard data freshly cherry-picked by me 🍒, while we wait for the real things to ripen to perfection next month on the lower slopes of Mount Rainier...

Frozen did about 25% of its global box office in the home DVD market. This was right as more and more Americans started streaming Netflix instead of mailing back the DVD's every few weeks. Adjusted for inflation, it would be $1.76 Billion at the box office, and $572 Million from DVD sales over the next year or two.

If Captain America 4 just did $415 Million at the global box office, how much money will it make via streaming rentals in the next year? And how much money will Burbank get from that streaming business after it pays itself via the Disney+ cost center number, and then pays off Amazon Prime and the energy-sucking server farms for delivering that 4K stream?

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