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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disney Irish
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Funny, but again jokes aside I don't believe I've ever posted that I thought Snow White would turn a profit, not at the box office, on D+, or any other place.We agree? Wait. Who are you and what have you done with @Disney Irish
brideck
Well-Known Member
Looks... Oh, it's another article from 2023. Of course he cared that there were 4 bombs in the same year without any sort of hit to offset them.
We don't seem to really be getting the same sort of angsty stories at present, though I'd be happy to read them if they exist. It's almost as if he cares more if a whole slate of movies makes a profit than individual ones. Obviously, there are certain movies in the slate that more profit is expected to come from to make that happen, so if Stitch, Zootopia, FF, or Avatar were to have significant problems the story will be different at that point.
Almost as if the 2023 article was on a year so awful after he was supposed to be saving the company from what he left the last time, and now he does not care because he will be out of there by the time any of that future stuff hits the fan.
brideck
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't say he doesn't care. This (well-trod) article pretty clearly lays out the strategy and where he thinks the profit centers are. I'll note that he doesn't mention Elio, Freakier Friday, Tron, etc. in the article. That doesn't mean those movies were bad ideas, just that that's not where the expectations are.
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/bob-iger-thunderbolts-marvel-new-movie-strategy-1236389765/
Disney Irish
Premium Member
There is no guarantee in the movie business, not at the box office and not in a post-theatrical market such as streaming either. Never has been, and never will be. Its a gamble, and that is known the moment a movie gets greenlit.
Also I think some are missing the actual thru-thread of this conversation. No one is claiming that theatrical isn't a driver of eyeballs and money for a movie, just that its no longer the driver of a movies profitability anymore. That movies can and do make a majority of their money from the box office, but that many still lose money and can/will go on to be profitable in the post-theatrical market. This is true of Disney, Universal, Warner Brothers Discovery, Sony, and every other studio major or independent. Its why many have been setting up and securing their post-theatrical businesses whether that is a streaming service of their own or partnering with one such as Netflix. Its also the main reason Netflix still exists instead of going under like other video distribution businesses of the 20th century. And why they are now regularly spending $200M+ on their own movies that don't have a theatrical release or a very short one that doesn't make much if any money.
So this idea that a movie has to go theatrical and make money at the box office in order to be successful is false, Netflix proves that. They obviously can and do make a profit from their movies without that happening. I know its difficult for some to wrap their head around, especially when we've been trained for decades to only see the box office as the sole determining factor for success. But this is a new world we live in, one where the box office is depressed due to lower and lower ticket sales every year, and by all accounts that isn't changing. This has been an on-going discussion for the last 5 years, and I assume will continue for the next 5 years.
Also just an FYI, the videos title that was posted was "Box office bombs that went on to blow up on Netflix", there was no "shockingly" in the title.
coffeefan
Well-Known Member
Here's a recent article showing It's not just a Disney thing.
According to a new report by Puck, the budget of Mission: Impossible 8 is at least $400 million, meaning it will have to set a franchise record just to break even at the box office. The report details that the massive budget is due to several factors, including the pandemic delaying production, the two Hollywood strikes, and Cruise persuading then-new studio chief Brian Robbins for more money on the last installments due to inflation. While the number can't be confirmed, one insider said the following: “It’s a big, expensive movie—no doubt—but it has enormous value [beyond theatrical revenue]. I’m sure we’d do it all over again.”
However, as is stated in the report, Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning is still a great investment for Paramount and will be immensely popular on streaming even if it doesn't make its money back at the box office.
screenrant.com
According to a new report by Puck, the budget of Mission: Impossible 8 is at least $400 million, meaning it will have to set a franchise record just to break even at the box office. The report details that the massive budget is due to several factors, including the pandemic delaying production, the two Hollywood strikes, and Cruise persuading then-new studio chief Brian Robbins for more money on the last installments due to inflation. While the number can't be confirmed, one insider said the following: “It’s a big, expensive movie—no doubt—but it has enormous value [beyond theatrical revenue]. I’m sure we’d do it all over again.”
However, as is stated in the report, Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning is still a great investment for Paramount and will be immensely popular on streaming even if it doesn't make its money back at the box office.
Mission: Impossible 8's Box Office Reportedly Needs To Set New Franchise Record Just To Break Even
Mission: Impossible 8 needs to make tons of money.
screenrant.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
…we shouldn’t discount the jokes…it’s the only thing keeping the flames under control Here
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I'm not discounting them, I even acknowledge them, I'm just continuing the conversation in-spite of them.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Wow, you mean another Studio that knows the box office isn't going to recoup their investment so is planning for a post-theatrical revenue to bring it to profitability. Well will wonders never cease....Here's a recent article showing It's not just a Disney thing.
According to a new report by Puck, the budget of Mission: Impossible 8 is at least $400 million, meaning it will have to set a franchise record just to break even at the box office. The report details that the massive budget is due to several factors, including the pandemic delaying production, the two Hollywood strikes, and Cruise persuading then-new studio chief Brian Robbins for more money on the last installments due to inflation. While the number can't be confirmed, one insider said the following: “It’s a big, expensive movie—no doubt—but it has enormous value [beyond theatrical revenue]. I’m sure we’d do it all over again.”
However, as is stated in the report, Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning is still a great investment for Paramount and will be immensely popular on streaming even if it doesn't make its money back at the box office.
Mission: Impossible 8's Box Office Reportedly Needs To Set New Franchise Record Just To Break Even
Mission: Impossible 8 needs to make tons of money.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
As I have always said, the budgets are out of control.Here's a recent article showing It's not just a Disney thing.
According to a new report by Puck, the budget of Mission: Impossible 8 is at least $400 million, meaning it will have to set a franchise record just to break even at the box office. The report details that the massive budget is due to several factors, including the pandemic delaying production, the two Hollywood strikes, and Cruise persuading then-new studio chief Brian Robbins for more money on the last installments due to inflation. While the number can't be confirmed, one insider said the following: “It’s a big, expensive movie—no doubt—but it has enormous value [beyond theatrical revenue]. I’m sure we’d do it all over again.”
However, as is stated in the report, Mission: Impossible - The Final Reckoning is still a great investment for Paramount and will be immensely popular on streaming even if it doesn't make its money back at the box office.
Mission: Impossible 8's Box Office Reportedly Needs To Set New Franchise Record Just To Break Even
Mission: Impossible 8 needs to make tons of money.
Using the 2.5 multiplier (as per the experts on these boards)
it needs 1 BILLION at the box office to BREAK EVEN.Oh boy, its a good thing the box office does not matter anymore (as per the experts on these boards)
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yep, its going to rival Force Awakens and Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom as the most expensive movie of all time but not likely to even come close to either movies box office totals.As I have always said, the budgets are out of control.
Using the 2.5 multiplier (as per the experts on these boards)
Oh boy, its a good thing the box office does not matter anymore (as per the experts on these boards)
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
For you kids in the back…
Saying that eventually…basically through residuals…some losers may cover in the end is NOT the same as the goals of the studios making them.
They’re disappointments…there shouldn’t be an argument
To continue to parse a couple of marvel floppers and a live action bomb is like ordering dessert on the titanic…you’re never gonna get it.
Now it’s a big weekend…move on to the new movies…the parks…the heat…something…anything
Saying that eventually…basically through residuals…some losers may cover in the end is NOT the same as the goals of the studios making them.
They’re disappointments…there shouldn’t be an argument
To continue to parse a couple of marvel floppers and a live action bomb is like ordering dessert on the titanic…you’re never gonna get it.
Now it’s a big weekend…move on to the new movies…the parks…the heat…something…anything
DisneyWarrior27
Well-Known Member
Actually, he did mention Elio twice in the earnings call, compared to mentioning Tron: Ares only once.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
As always you continue to miss the point of what is being discussed.
We're not talking about a movie like Snow White that'll end up losing Disney $100M or more. We're talking about movies that are within $25-30M of breakeven, like Cap4 and most likely Thunderbolts (though it may end up slightly better). Yes if you want to say they are disappointments at the box office, fine, I don't think most would argue with you. But with the post-theatrical those are going to turn a profit, almost immediately after leaving theaters. Because as @BrianLo pointed out the post-theatrical revenue has already been contracted out even before release to theaters in most cases. And that is now something figured into the goal of a movie when they greenlight it, ie the post-theatrical revenue is part of the equation not an afterthought.
We'll move on when you move on from posting about Iger, who clearly takes up too much space in your head.
But in general the hope is Stitch brings in big money so that it covers a majority of early 2025 losses so you guys can move on from that.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I love you…and this is me saying this…but are you doing this to reread you own material?As always you continue to miss the point of what is being discussed.
We're not talking about a movie like Snow White that'll end up losing Disney $100M or more. We're talking about movies that are within $25-30M of breakeven, like Cap4 and most likely Thunderbolts (though it may end up slightly better). Yes if you want to say they are disappointments at the box office, fine, I don't think most would argue with you. But with the post-theatrical those are going to turn a profit, almost immediately after leaving theaters. Because as @BrianLo pointed out the post-theatrical revenue has already been contracted out even before release to theaters in most cases. And that is now something figured into the goal of a movie when they greenlight it, ie the post-theatrical revenue is part of the equation not an afterthought.
We'll move on when you move on from posting about Iger, who clearly takes up too much space in your head.
But in general the hope is Stitch brings in big money so that it covers a majority of early 2025 loses so you guys can move on from that.
Might be tired at this point.
You’re going on about a new “Hollywood model”…and that is kinda a different conversation. I’m not even saying it’s not going that way.
But we’ve seen “predictive” movement in recent years on other fronts…and it resembles a truck fire on the side of the road at this point.
Bombs are not wanted…and far less “acceptable” to the boardroom than you’ve invented in your head. For any of them…but especially for Disney. They have severely taxed their resources…Rep being a big one now…and they need every penny.
That may be counter intuitive…but also true. As is often the case
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The 100 degrees is gonna go over well
Almost as if it is a tired franchise choice with diminishing returns.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Well, yes.
One could say is the perfect storm!
100 degree heat index plus opening weekend - could be bad! and I have been seeing some less than positive reports since they opened it to everyone during previews.
From the start, I said this is Universal's game to lose. We are happy NOT to be there on opening day or anytime before the winter. We may check it out in the winter or maybe January.
It will be interesting to watch the YouTubers.
To get back on topic Snow White 2025 is available to rent or buy digitally
